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Fish can count - latest research on school sizes
« on: June 13, 2020, 08:24:31 PM »
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Link below to an episode of the BBCs ‘The Infinite Monkey Cage’ in which they give the most up to date position on research into the ability of fish to count.  Go to 18:40 for a listen.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m00024ph

From this and a little of my own research it seems fish dont necessarily count “one, two, three” they do count using ratios - we humans do this too subconsciously. Such a counting method gives the ability to differentiate between group sizes e.g. a group of size 3 vs 4 and a group of size 4 vs 5 - as the ratio numbers get larger the ability to distinguish between a group of one larger becomes more tricky. Fish have been found to be able to  distinguish between group sizes of 7 and 8 - of course there is the fish doing the counting to take into consideration too. Meaning this gives a maximum of 9.

This ability gives the fish the whereabouts to find a school of sufficient size for safety purposes. Previously it has been advised that schools of 6 are appropriate for schooling fish to make them appear comfortable - most places also say the more the better of course and this fits with others experiences. But this latest research seems to suggest that the magic number may in fact be 9 rather than 6. They seem to do the research on the same kind of fish we would stock input aquariums too which is useful.

So if you are considering your stocking and/or school sizes you might want to take this into consideration - I know I will be in my future stocking planning.

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Re: Fish can count - latest research on school sizes
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Sounds "up my street" - any possibility of including the link? I've googled it but it's not immediately obvious where it is / what episode it is. The shoal size of 9 seems to chime with the 8-10 minimum shoal size advocated on Seriously Fish nowadays. Thanks. :)

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Re: Fish can count - latest research on school sizes
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Oops yes indeed - added to my original post @fcmf

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Very interesting. This safety in numbers aspect might account for why Wee Harley has joined the cardinals' shoal rather than staying on her own or joining in with the neon green rasbora (besides potentially being unable to keep up with the highly active NGR or thinking that the cardinals' multi-colouring is more similar to herself than the mono-colouring of the NGR).

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« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2020, 11:27:37 AM »
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It also possibly explains why smaller fish seem to do better with larger shoals - when you are tiny, the more of you there are the safer you feel.

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Re: Fish can count - latest research on school sizes
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2020, 04:42:44 PM »
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I do wonder, in the situation of an aquarium where it's not possible to swim away, whether something slightly different applies. In the hypothetical situation that I were to re-stock, for example, my inkling is that the lone neon green rasbora and lone harlequin rasbora would feel more threatened by a shoal of 9 cardinals than a shoal of down-to-4 cardinals and a similar-sized shoal of another species, although the cardinals themselves may feel more at ease in larger numbers.

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