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Offline fishcake76

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Platy not eating
« on: June 12, 2014, 05:44:55 PM »
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Hi all,

I have concerns regarding my mickey mouse platy.

He has been looking thin for a while now, as though someone has pinched him just behind his gills and left indentations in him.

Over the last week or so he has been surface hanging, bottom sitting and fin clamping. His fins are sometimes so clamped that his tail finishes in a point!

Yesterday I isolated him from the others (he is in my small tank with two corys and the others are in my bigger tank) as I was concerned he wasn't getting enough food. I had observed him and was happy he was eating but today he has taken food into his mouth and then spat it straight out. Even the tiniest pieces are being rejected. He seems keen to eat as he chases the food down as he normally would and he does peck about looking for food.

I think he could have lasting damage from the nitrite and ammonia exposure he suffered whilst I was having my initial set up/cycling problems with my small tank as he also scratches occasionally. He is still swimming round from time to time and looks quite spritely when he does.

I believe the water parameters are normal in both tanks:

Ammonia = 0
Nitrite = 0
Nitrate = 20
PH = 7
GH = 120
KH = 120
Temp = 24oC

Any suggestions as to what should I do?

FC

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Re: Platy not eating
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2014, 07:08:53 PM »
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The first thing to do is have a good look at him. When he stops swimming and just hangs in the water, is there anything coming out of his anus? You are looking for what looks like the tip of a child's paintbrush only red. They only protrude when the fish is motionless, they go back inside when it is swimming. These are camallanous worms, an intestinal parasite. If you see them, they can be treated. Look for Sera nematol.

If you don't see them, that leaves damage from cycling, as you say, or an internal infection other than worms. A bacterial infection is tricky to treat in the UK as we don't have access to antibiotics without a vet's prescription. The over-the-counter medications are less effective but if you think an infection is the cause you could try eSHa 2000 or Interpet anti-internal bacteria treatment.

Have you tried feeding bloodworm? A fish has to be really ill to refuse that. If he won't touch even bloodworm, you'll know there is something wrong.

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Re: Platy not eating
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2014, 08:29:07 PM »
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Hi Sue,

Thanks for your advice.

I've had a close inspection of him and think the worms could be a possibility.  He does have (and has for ages) red around his anus. I thought it was his markings  :(

I've attached a photo so you can see what you think. I did find a long red worm in the plug hole after my water change last week but thought it had perhaps been in the cats water bowl, which we keep outside and often has strange things floating in it!!

I have had looked back at some videos from when we first got him and he was definitely less red around the bottom then.  If I treat for worms, do I treat all the fish, even though the others seem fine? Also, I've read that Corys can be sensitive to some treatments will the one you've suggested be safe for them?

Thanks.

FC

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Re: Platy not eating
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2014, 08:04:51 AM »
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This sounds exactly like my Platy's behaviour when he had worms. You need some of this - it worked a treat and he's now living his little platy life in comfort.

BIG HOWEVER MOMENT:(from their website)The manufacturers have decided to stop manufacture of this useful, specialist small-run product for the time being. However Vetark will be launching a replacement made in its own GMP suite before the end of August 2013.

I suggest you phone them and ask about the replacement - I couldn't find it.

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Re: Platy not eating
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2014, 09:13:21 AM »
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Thanks Colin,

I have emailed Vetark to ask them about the replacement.

My platy is looking much cheerier today. His fins are not as clamped and he has eaten some flake this morning too.  Will get some wormer for him ASAP and get him treated.

Apologies for the completely useless, blurry photo!!!!!

FC

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Re: Platy not eating
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2014, 10:12:41 AM »
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That's good news. Make sure he's not spitting it out, tho'. That's what mine used to do. The fins being less clamped is very good. Let us know aboy VetArk and the wormer, please. It's very useful knowledge to have.

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Re: Platy not eating
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2014, 10:52:49 AM »
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If you can't find any VetArk, Sera nematol also has a good reputation.

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Re: Platy not eating
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2014, 07:22:29 PM »
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Hi,

Vetark replied with the following:

 Its called Worm Solve but is behind schedule. I hope to have it out in a few weeks. I’m afraid other issues stalled us.

Keep your eyes open!

FC

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Re: Platy not eating
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2014, 11:55:19 AM »
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Hi all,

Good and bad news I'm afraid.

My original platy who was poorly (his name is Pedro) is still with us and today I shall give his condition a guarded diagnosis of 'stable'  :-\

One of the other platies (whose name is/was Peppa) has died. :(  We went out on Sunday and came home to find him on the bottom of the tank. Poor lad. No external marks or abnormalities to be seen but he was fin tucking and surface hanging on Saturday and for a while was the victim of much bullying from Pedro (before Pedro got to ill to bother - I think) so I do wonder if stress got the better of him.

I was worried that Pedro was going to go the same way as he was bumping into ornaments yesterday and seemed to be having real trouble swimming in a straight line. Today he seems ok.

Anyway, I will update you as things progress.

FC (AKA Roseyfish)


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Re: Platy not eating
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2014, 12:06:40 PM »
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Aw, sorry to hear that.

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Re: Platy not eating
« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2014, 08:35:55 AM »
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Morning Folks,

Further sad news today.

Pedro died overnight.  :'(    RIP my little mate.  :'(

I'm really gutted as he had become one of my favourites.  I feel angry with myself for not acting sooner to treat him as I have still not received my wormer yet (ordered on line).  Just wish I had done something sooner so he hadn't died. Really sad. And now George is lying on the bottom looking very sorry for himself. He's the first fish I got so would be gutted to lose him too.

So now I have one empty tank (apart from the snails - Brian and his gang!!). What should I do regarding this? Do I need to treat the water to eradicate anything that is part way through it's life cycle or will a big clean be sufficient? What's the best way to disinfect live plants?

If the wormer doesn't arrive in todays post I'm gonna go out and buy some. I can't get out very much as I have been ill for a couple of years and my mobility is not good but I can't bear to find another body!!!!!

Anyway, tips on what to do with Pedro's tank would be appreciated.

FC

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Re: Platy not eating
« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2014, 10:12:44 AM »
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Sorry to hear about the platies  :(


The wormer might well kill your snails - read the packaging carefully. If you don't use it, keep it in the cupboard just in case.

As for what to do, normally I'd say get some ammonia and add that for a week or so. This would feed the filter bacteria while allowing any nasties to die off - without a fish to infect, most bugs won't last long. But you have snails, so you can't add ammonia or you'll kill them. Except for pest snails, they survive anything.

You will need to decide which to do. If you want to save the snails, you could move them into a tub and change the water in there daily, whilst adding ammonia to the tank.
If not you would need to do a fish-in cycle when you get more fish. The bacteria would be in a dormant state rather than dead (they can live for a few weeks without food in this state) but it could take a few days for them to 'wake up' so you'd need to check your water stats daily and do water changes as necessary.

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Re: Platy not eating
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2014, 10:22:11 AM »
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 :(  Sorry to hear that Fishcake. It seems this has been a bad fortnight for fish!  :(

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Re: Platy not eating
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2014, 06:01:25 PM »
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Hi,

Thanks for the condolences. For such tiny little beings it's still sad when they go. :(

Sue, I have pond snails and surprisingly they are not breeding!!!!!  Either this means there is something very wrong or the stern talking to I am giving them everyday is working!!!  I started out with four, which went down to three when I accidentally squashed one with a rock, then I got some live plants and it's gone up to approximately ten and I have now had to stop naming them!!!!!!  :))

Could I move all the snails I want to keep into the empty (21L) tank while I treat the fish in the other (54L) tank and then move them back again while I deal with the other tank (21L) or will the fact that the (21L) tank is full of snails be enough to keep the filter bacteria alive as surely they would produce some ammonia and if I continue to put food on the tank will this also release ammonia as well as feeding the snails??  ???

I must say, I have been out this morning to my two local fish shops and NEITHER stocked any internal parasite treatments!!!!  I was a bit miffed having made the effort to go there!!!  Anyway I chatted with the fish for a while and nearly bought a betta who was stunning but looked at me as though to say" get me outta here"!!! I kindly explained that he was probably better off where he was for the time being!!!!  I'm very tempted to get a betta for the 21L tank but am worried that I don't have the correct water (mine is hard and I believe they prefer soft?).

Anyway, that's a consideration for another day as I've got to be sure the fish I already have are happy before I get anymore!!!!!

No wormer as yet today but it has been dispatched, so finger crossed it's here tomorrow.

FC

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Re: Platy not eating
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2014, 07:10:56 PM »
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The snails would be fine in the 21 litre as long as you kept an eye on the water. I once used wormer plus and killed a nerite snail through putting it back too soon. If you do use any treatment, run carbon for a few days and I also use something called polyfilter. This stuff; it used to be made by Underworld but it's now Arcadia (maybe they took Underworld over). It is expensive but a single layer in a filter removes medication. The blurb on some sites say it absorbs ammonia but the pack says it only removes excess, it still leaves enough for the bacteria.

Did you mean to move the filter into the 21 litre along with the snails? The danger with that is if there are some bugs inside the filter.


Tank bred bettas would be OK in hard water, up to 357ppm according to Seriously Fish. It's wild caught species that would suffer.

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