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Title: Newbie Hello
Post by: Aquarius Barbara on August 25, 2017, 12:50:24 AM
Hello  everyone
My name is Barbara I live in Consett County Durham Uk.
I have been pondering for years about setting up an aquarium, I have always like fish though only ever had goldfish, as a child at home the family had them and I was always the one that ended up caring for them even if they weren't mine, then as a wife and mother again ended up caring for them even though they were hubby's and kids.. but I always felt I would like some tropical/marine fish, so now that kids are up and gone (Hubby Still Here  :D  His name is Alan by the way)  I have decided to take action and set up an aquarium.

So hoping to learn lots from this forum and hopefully gain some knowledge in the next few weeks while I buy and set up the tank.

I would love some help on what is the best reading material to help me along the way and if members could kindly point out any good posts to read on the forum for setting up a tank.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Sue on August 25, 2017, 09:18:36 AM
Hi,

I am not far from you, just over the border in Cleveland (in the part that used to be Yorkshire). So I know that you have fairly soft water with low KH - I'll explain more on this later.

What size tank do you have? This is important for choosing fish - they need to be able to fit. All the fish in shops are babies or juveniles and still have a lot fo growing to do.


Rather than books, you are better reading articles on here, and about fish on the website Seriously Fish (http://www.seriouslyfish.com/knowledge-base/), which is written by fish experts, unlike some other sites.

To get you started I should explain that the first thing you need to do is grow some bacteria, which I know sounds a bit odd  :)
Fish excrete ammonia, it is their version of urine. In the wild, this would get washed away but in a tank it just builds up. And ammonia in the water burns the fish's skin and gills. But there are bacteria that live in an aquarium which use this ammonia as food and their waste product is nitrite. This is also poisonous to the fish as it binds to their blood in the same way that carbon monoxide does to us. But another species of bacteria uses nitrite as food and turns it into nitrate. This is much less toxic and we remove it by doing water changes.
There are very very few of these bacteria in our tap water because the water company adds chlorine or chloramine to kill bacteria. So we have to take the few we do have and grow more. This process of growing bacteria is called cycling.
There are two ways to cycle a tank; or to be precise there are two ways of putting ammonia into the tank to feed the bacteria and get them to grow. The first is called fish-in cycling where a few fish are put in the tank and their waste feeds the bacteria. This is the old way of doing things and is now frowned on as it puts these fish at risk of harm or even death. The second is fishless cycling, and we use ammonia from a bottle to grow the bacteria before any fish are put in the tank.

I have two links for you, one for each method of cycling.
Fishless cycling (https://forums.thinkfish.co.uk/fishtank-filtration-and-cycling/fishless-cycling-how-to-do-it/)
Fish-in cycling (https://forums.thinkfish.co.uk/fishtank-filtration-and-cycling/fish-in-cycling-with-fish-how-to-do-it/)
Whichever method you choose you will need a test kit. Liquid reagent ones with test tubes are more accurate than strip testers. A shop may say that they'll test for you but you need to be able to test daily especially if you choose fish-in cycling.

I strongly recommend doing a fishless cycle. Ammonia can be found in some branches of Homebase. My local DIY shop stocks Jeyes Kleen Off Household Ammonia which is a good brand. Failing that you will need to look on Amazon or Ebay.
Fish shops do not stock ammonia as they do not believe in fishless cycling. They will try to sell you a bottled bacteria product instead and probably say that you must get fish at the same time even though all these products say they don't cycle a tank instantly. If you want to try one of these products get Tetra Safe Start as that one contains the right species of nitrite eaters, though even that won't do much if it has been stored incorrectly at any point since manufacture.
I mentioned low KH above. I won't go into details now as this post already contains enough to confuse most people but I will say that with low KH you are in danger of a pH crash during cycling. I know, it happened to me. There is a very simple remedy, so if you decide to do fishless cycling after reading those two links, I'll tell you what to do.


While you are cycling, that is the time to research fish. Visit all your local shops to see what they stock and make a note of those fish that catch your eye. Do not tell them you are doing a fishless cycle!!! Then come home and look up the fish on Seriously Fish. You need fish that like soft water, are suitable for the tank you have and will get on with each other.





I've given you a lot to think about here. Ask any questions you need. The only silly questions are those you don't ask  :)
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Aquarius Barbara on August 25, 2017, 02:09:27 PM
Hello Sue,  I am just heading out to visit the first of 3 shops in the Durham area, just on a reccy to see what the have etc I have made a note of the 3 questions to ask to see what they say. I will let you know how I get on, I do not have a tank etc, still looking for one trying to buy a good second-hand one hoping to get a good bargain but might end up with a new one.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Sue on August 25, 2017, 03:37:13 PM
In that case, you have the perfect excuse for not buying fish  ;D

The bigger the tank, the easier it is to look after because more water makes the build up of anything nasty a bit slower giving you more time to rectify things.
If you find a second hand tank that is still in use, ask them not to clean it - or at least ask them to keep the filter media in some dechlorinated water. The bacteria will stay alive if the media is kept wet, and although they may have gone dormant they will speed up a cycle.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: mizuti on September 02, 2017, 08:52:30 PM
Hi and welcome to the forum, I am a newbie too - the best advice I can give is this - listen to sue! Sue is incredibly knowledgeable and helpful, really can't sing her praises enough.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: MarquisMirage on September 03, 2017, 01:56:14 AM
Hi Barbara, welcome to the forum.  I'm not too far away either in, Morpeth.  Cycling a tank is a good start to learning about how we control water quality.  However, when you're ready to get started, and if you wish too, you're welcome to message me.  I have loads of already cycled filter material you can take advantage of.  Bring whatever filter you decide on with you and we can stuff it full of already cycled media so you can get started quicker.

Which shops have you visited?  You're very lucky with many good local fish stores in your area.  Fish Alive is one I've visited in Durham and has a good range of fish and equipment as well as a lady there who catches fish like a master.  She successfully picked out individually selected guppies in seconds.  Peterlee Aquatics has a facebook page and looks well stocked.  Tropical Supplies North East in Durham is another shop I want to take a peek at in person.

For second hand tanks I'd recommend (if you use facebook) the Tyne and Wear Scales page.  The www.aquarist-classifieds.co.uk website also has many used tanks listed as well as many other things (most likely got that site from Sue).  Best bit of advice I can give for used aquariums is to look out for the lighting.  Everything is switching to much cheaper to run LED lights so bargains on tanks with T5 tube lights may not be so good as they require expensive yearly replacing while an LED will last many years.  Another piece of advice would be to buy a good thermostat heater for your tank new.  The heater is one bit of kit you shouldn't take risks with.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Littlefish on September 03, 2017, 08:00:57 AM
Hi Barbara  :wave:
Any update on your tank purchase possibilities or thoughts on what fish you like?
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Aquarius Barbara on September 03, 2017, 02:33:42 PM
Hi, Sorry I have not been back sooner had a bit of an emergency with a friend's Mam ended up doing a few trip to the hospital a day for last few days, got the weekend off so catching up.

Anyway, I have chickened out a bit a really worried I would not get all this right so even though I have bought a secondhand 200lt tank which needs a good clean, new light etc. I have just last night bought an Aquanano 55lt tank, which came with a used skimmer,( not read up on what they are) a used heater, new thermometer, and new Light. I do like the look of the tank and feel a bit calmer about having a go at setting up a smaller tank until I can learn and understand more. so my next job is to get the electric bits. been on Amazon and looking at these items. My hubby thinks an under-gravel filter system is better (thoughts would be welcome)

. Aqua One Maxi Internal Filter 300L/hr
. Hailea 200w Glass Heater
. Tetra APS50 Air Pump

I have just been reading a post where they were debating about gravel or sand, I think I like the sand it sound a thought it is easier and I don't like the idea of the fish getting it in their gills.
over the next week, I will be buying the equipment and a stand of some sort as I do not have a unit big enough.
Bx

 
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Aquarius Barbara on September 03, 2017, 02:41:06 PM
At the moment I am not looking at the fish learning more about setting up the tank first, then will look at what I can have. also what kind of filter is best and what kind of air pump, I saw an air pump in the Fish Alive shop I liked with an acrylic what looked like a river that the air came out of the end it looked like liquid silver coming down the river, then a bubble of air came out. might have that totally wrong but going to ask about it when I go back later in the week.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Matt on September 03, 2017, 02:50:04 PM
I would go with an internal filter something from the fluval u series as these are highly thought of rather than an under gravel they dont work with sand anyway.

You dont need an airstone so you can save on this for the time being.  You wont also need the slimmer, I'd leave this out for the time being as they tend to be quite bulky and unsightly.  :cheers:

The debate over sand or gravel rages on... but what I can say is more aquarists switch to sand from gravel.  ;) personally though i prefer gravel as it's easier and less time consuming to clean and doesn't show the waste on the surface so much.

Inspect the heaters you have and if they dont have condensation inside I would say they are ok to use.

It's actually easier to have a larger volume tank as illogical as this may sound as it means that you have a larger buffer volume of water in case anything goes wrong.  This will mean that anything that shouldn't be in the tank for whatever reason is affecting a larger volume of water and is therefore more dilute.
Another option would be to use the 55ltr as a sump for the 200ltr which would mean you could have a 250ltr system... even more water volume.  ;D

Hope that helps, I'm sure others will offer further advice also.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Sue on September 03, 2017, 02:59:18 PM
Matt posted while I was typing but I'll let my post stand as it is  ;D


A few points to ponder -

A protein skimmer is mainly used in marine tanks. They can be used on freshwater tanks but this is not common.

Under gravel filters are a bit old fashioned. They can be good filters but they do have drawbacks.
They have to be used with gravel not sand, which cuts down the species of fish that can be kept.
Live plants and decor can cause problems. Plant roots can block the water flow, and some plants don't like water flowing past their roots; big pieces of decor cause dead spots underneath them.
The space under the plates gets full of fish poo, uneaten food etc. It is possible to siphon this out with a long piece of air tubing passed down the uplift tube, but it is common to tear down the whole tank every year to clean it. The way round this is to use a reverse flow pump so that instead of water being sucked down through the gravel, up the tube and back into the tank, water is pumped down through the tube and passes upwards through the gravel. A sponge pre-filter is attached to the pump to stop debris getting down the tube.
Modern UG plates are not as substantial as the older ones when UG filters were first invented; they crack easily.

Personally I would use an internal filter in the 55 litre and a large internal/external for the 200 litre.


Sand won't harm the fish's gills. Some, such as cories and dwarf cichlids, sift the sand looking for food. I had a bolivian rams that got a piece of gravel stuck in its throat doing this, which is why all my tanks now have sand.



You don't need an air pump unless you like the looks of bubbles when an air pump is connected to an air stone. Or you intend using an air powered sponge filter.


Of all the equipment, don't go for a cheap heater. It has been known for heaters to fail in the on position, more likely with cheap imports from the Far East. get a good brand even if it costs more.


The best thing for cleaning a tank is plenty of elbow grease. Those pan scourers made of what looks like knitted brightly coloured plastic yarn are ideal as they don't scratch; a cheap brand new toothbrush is good for corners.
To clean any possible bugs, supermarket basic range bleach (the thin stuff that is very cheap) or babies' bottle sterilising liquid. Dilute bleach 1 part bleach to 9 parts water; make up babies' bottle sterilising liquid as the instructions. After cleaning rinse, rinse and rinse again. Then rinse with water overdosed with dechlorinator (water conditioner) as bleach is chlorine. Then rinse and rinse with plain water again.



Make sure the unit is big enough to fit all the tank base on it; there must not be any tank overhanging the stand.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Matt on September 03, 2017, 03:32:16 PM
Matt posted while I was typing but I'll let my post stand as it is  ;D

Great minds think alike @Sue  :raspberries
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Aquarius Barbara on September 03, 2017, 04:14:22 PM
Wow, that was a lot to read, I have printed off the fishless cycle you did. I do have a few questions as I am a totally numty when it comes to PH, KH, Nitrate, Ammonia etc.

. Do I plant live plants before I start the cycle?
. What make of test strips do you use as they don't say much about them in the sales pitch on Amazon/eBay?
. Is there a post that has recommendations for equipment?
. Does the cycle differ depending on the size of your tank?

I am sure there will be loads more question yet, I am trying to set my self a to do list in order of what to do, using the information I am gathering from this forum. Bx
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Sue on September 03, 2017, 04:38:07 PM
To answer your questions:

Plants. It is up to you. But some species don't do well in 3 ppm ammonia and can die. Plants also use ammonia as fertiliser so the cycle doesn't follow a nice simple pattern. It is easier to plant the tank while you are setting it up so if you decide to plant straight away I suggest using just 2 ppm ammonia. Post your test results if you need help.

Test kits. I don't use strips. They are regarded as less accurate than the kind with bottles of reagents and test tubes. I have the API testers which come as a set of pH, ammonia, nitrite and nitrate. If you get a liquid reagent kit, follow the nitrate test instructions carefully - one bottle will need to be shaken very well because it contains a chemical which settles out on the bottom of the bottle.
Most test strips do not test for ammonia, so if you decide to go with strips you'll need two - one for ammonia and one for everything else.

There isn't a thread that has recommendations for all types of equipment. There some  reviews in this section https://forums.thinkfish.co.uk/tank-equipment-reviews/ but it is far from comprehensive. If you start new threads in this section https://forums.thinkfish.co.uk/fish-tanks-and-equipment/ titled something like recommendations for new filter/heater wanted, we will give our opinions on which ones we like. Don't forget to give the tank size  :)

The cycle is the same regardless of tank volume. All that differs is that it takes more mls of the ammonia solution to get 3 ppm in a bigger tank than in a smaller one.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Matt on September 03, 2017, 04:48:02 PM
I have a test strip set which test for ammonia using a separate strip but again I wouldn't recommend. I can get fairly reliable results but I have to use tissue paper carefully to remove water from between the coloured test pads on the strip else if the water is joining them one pad affects the next. The tissue paper also affects the result if it goes near the pad... faff!!

I'm only testing now and then though now I have an established tank. You'll be doing lots of tests and will need accurate results for your cycle.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Aquarius Barbara on September 03, 2017, 05:05:44 PM
 :wave: Thank You for the information I will have a look on Amazon/ebay for the liquid reagent kit.looking forward to going shopping tomorrow.  :fishy1: :fishy1:
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: MarquisMirage on September 03, 2017, 07:16:06 PM
Ah, the joys of fishkeeping!  While I chose not to use under gravel filtration (because I don't fully understand it) I know may experienced fishkeepers who do use it.  There are many filtration options and many will work. And this is the thing with the hobby - there's usually more than one way to skin the filet. 

. Do I plant live plants before I start the cycle?
I have always fully planted the tank and let it stand for a few days before starting the cycle.  I feel that this has aided the speed of the cycle as there is already something live happening in the tank.

. What make of test strips do you use as they don't say much about them in the sales pitch on Amazon/eBay?
I agree that the API master test kit for tropical aquariums is the way forward.

. Is there a post that has recommendations for equipment?
You'll need the following and everything else is optional:
* a tank (matter of your choice),
* a heater.  I use the Fluval E series for small tanks as they have an outer casing to stop fish being accidently burnt, a clear temperature display, and easy to set thermostat.  For larger tanks I'd use the Eheim Aquarium Thermostat Heater range.
* a filter.  Various different options but I'd agree with what Sue and Matt have said.  For larger tanks I'd go for one of the external Fluval options.  Smaller tanks I'd go an internal filter and sponge filter.  Personally I like sponge filters and bubbles because it helps gas exchange, is extremely easy, and does what's needed.  I use Interpet Nano Aquamini Aquarium air pumps with Aquacadabra Corner Bio sponge filters in two tanks and an Eheim air pump (comes fully equipped) in one.  One thing you need to know is the flow that the fish you want like and make sure the filter provides it.
* lights.  Usually come with the tank.  Almost any light will do for low-medium light plants.  However, lights that can be adjusted will be invaluable for helping get rid of algae.  For serious planting I use the Hagen Fluval LED Fresh & Plant 2.0 range as they give clear details about par ratings and depth penetration but really most basic plants don't need that.

. Does the cycle differ depending on the size of your tank?
Nope.  My 400+ l cycled at the same speed as my 40 l.

Ideally you need to select your desired fish first (which seems a bit backwards) but remember you're setting up a home for them so you have to know what they like before you furnish it.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Aquarius Barbara on September 03, 2017, 10:12:03 PM
Thank you that info marquismirage  I will now go look at fish and decide which I like as I know that there is a lot to consider as to which fish are compatible etc. Bx
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Andy The Minion on September 03, 2017, 11:18:49 PM
Hello @AquariusBarbara and welcome! You will find lots of fish once you start looking, maybe too many (ask Littlefish about that)
Perhaps a good starting point is to find out what water you have with a google search to your water company, but Sue and Marquismirage will probably be able to tell you. Once you know the water hardness and pH you can narrow down the possibilities a bit. I like to stay with fish that are naturally at home in my tap water. In many cases they will have been bred in different conditions and will cope with a larger range that wild caught fish, but my feeling is that evolution will have been working for millions of years to get them where they are, and a few generations in a breeding tank wont completely unwind that.
You can stretch the natural boundaries but don't want to go for something completely different to your natural conditions or perhaps worse mix fish with different requirements as it will more than likely stress one or all of them.
Next look at the adult size and the minimum number of fish that are recommended, you will often see references to 6 or more then make sure the tank can cope with that many (as Matt said, big tank better) The general guide is a cm of adult fish length per liter of tank water.
Try using this as an initial filter on you search and then pop them in a post and the others with experience of the particular fish can help refine further.
So many fish...exciting times. Good luck :)
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Aquarius Barbara on September 03, 2017, 11:23:10 PM
After a bit of a no use struggle with the community calculator, I have a 55L tank with internal filter, sand,  there will be a few plants as well.

My thinking for a first time go just these fish

2 Round Banded Barb Puntius 
3 Cherry Barb Puntius
6 Cardinal Tetra
4 White Cloud Mountain Minnow

Thoughts Please. Bx

Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Matt on September 04, 2017, 07:23:42 AM
I've replied to your other topic about access issues to the community creator...

So far though (and I'm sure others will be able to offer further advice) I would encourage you to look at the desired temperature ranges of your chose fish. Also take a look on the Seriously Fish to get another source of information on these fish.  The white cloud minnows prefer cooler waters to the others you have selected.

Have you found our your waters hardness yet? This is a good way of determining which species are most likely to thrive in your tank as Andy has advised below. Let us know the results or again compare them to the desired ranges on Seriously Fish yourself to work out if they are suitable for your water without expensive DO water being added for example.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Sue on September 04, 2017, 08:50:31 AM
Since you live in Co Durham, you will be on Northumbrian Water.
Click on this link https://www.nwl.co.uk/your-home/your-account/your-area.aspx and enter your postcode. It is a bit slow after you click go but it will get there.
The first box on the next page is your hardness in words and mg/l Ca (mine says moderately soft at 34 mg/l as calcium), click on 'more about water hardness'.
On the next page, underneath that pretty coloured strip, you'll see 'convert to alternative measurements' - click on that. Write down 2 of the numbers, the one for mg/l as calcium carbonate and the one for o German. Those are the two units used in fishkeeping.

Tell us what those two numbers are and we can help you with your fish choice.

Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Aquarius Barbara on September 04, 2017, 12:02:16 PM

mg / litre as calcium 20. mg / litre as calcium carbonate 50.   ° Clarke 3.5. ° German 2.8.

Today I have ordered the testing kit so can get started with that this week. Thank you. Bx
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Matt on September 04, 2017, 03:29:07 PM
You have pretty soft water. The cardinals will be very much at home.

The water is a quite soft for the barbs technically but im pretty sure they will be absolutely fine... ill let @Sue confirm this...

It's better to have too soft water than too hard i believe.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Sue on September 04, 2017, 04:57:13 PM
It's better to have too soft water than too hard i believe.

Except for fish that must have hard water eg the common livebearers, Rift Lake cichlids etc  ;)



Yes Barbara you have soft water, softer than mine.

Those two figures I asked for, fish sites tend to use different names for them. So mg/l calcium carbonate is the same as ppm in fish profiles; german degrees is the same as just plain degrees or dH in fish profiles.
Seriously Fish http://www.seriouslyfish.com/knowledge-base/ is the best place to look up fish. Some of the profiles give hardness as ppm, some as degrees or dH. Your hardness is 50 ppm and 2.8 degrees/dH


If you look up cardinal tetra (http://www.seriouslyfish.com/species/paracheirodon-axelrodi/) you'll find they need water hardness 18 to 215 ppm, pH 3.5 to 7.5 and temperature 23 to 29 deg C.
White clouds (http://www.seriouslyfish.com/species/tanichthys-albonubes/) need hardness 90 to 537 ppm, pH 6.0 to 8.5 and temperature 14 to 22 deg C

The pH can be a bit outside the fish's range as that is not as important as hardness.


So straight away we can see that your water is perfect for cardinals but a bit too soft for white clouds.  And their temperature ranges do not overlap.

Then we need to look at minimum tank size. For cardinals it is 60cm wide x 30 cm front to back; and the same for white clouds. Is your tank that size?

If it is smaller, look at ember tetra (http://www.seriouslyfish.com/species/hyphessobrycon-amandae/). This needs a tank 45 x 30 cm, hardness 18 to 179 ppm, pH 5.0 to 7.0, temp 20 to 28 deg C.



These are just examples to show how to put together a group of compatible fish that are suitable for a particular tank and water parameters. You do have plenty time during cycling to create a wish list  :)
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: MarquisMirage on September 04, 2017, 07:37:51 PM
2 Round Banded Barb Puntius 
3 Cherry Barb Puntius
6 Cardinal Tetra
4 White Cloud Mountain Minnow

The banded bard (more commonly known as the tiger barb) is not a general community fish.  It's quite aggressive so should be kept species only or with larger fish.  Larger fish isn't an option but tiger barbs do come in three different flavours that all look good: green, normal (orange and black), and albino.  A mixed shoal could look good.  To get the most out of them the larger group the better.  They can get quite big for a nano tank so I think around 8 will fully stock your tank.  They'll do well in your water.

Cherry barbs will do well in your water too and are peaceful so keep them.  Their diet is a bit weird as they'll try anything.  Even snails and diatoms that most fish not specifically evolved for those foods will totally ignore.

Cardinal tetras and white clouds have already been covered by others.

If you stick with your initial numbers of cardinal tetras and cherry barbs I would recommend a centre piece fish like a pair of blue rams (mikrogeophagus ramirez) as your water is ideal for them.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Matt on September 04, 2017, 07:47:02 PM
If you stick with your initial numbers of cardinal tetras and cherry barbs I would recommend a centre piece fish like a pair of blue rams (mikrogeophagus ramirez) as your water is ideal for them.
Good shout - rams are my favourite fish  :cheers: ...though the 'normal' German blue rams are meant to be the hardiest if that helps. 
I thought about suggesting centrepiece fish earlier, they are definately the way to go. That or gourami... so much character.

@AquariusBarbara Are the round banded barbs you wanted tiger barbs or Puntius Rhomboocellatus?
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Sue on September 04, 2017, 08:52:48 PM
We have established in another thread that this tank is a 40cm cube. So the footprint is 40 x 40 cm  :).

For rams, Seriously Fish recommends a tank with a 60 x 30 cm floor, which is 180 sq cm. 40 x 40 cm is 160 sq cm, so just about do-able.

But SF recommends 80 x 30 cm for tiger barbs; 40 x 40 is a bit on the small side for them. I know that no-one has suggested it, but to make sure I wouldn't keep tiger barbs with rams. Rams need peaceful upper fish and tiger barbs are just too active as well as being one of the nippier species in the hobby.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Aquarius Barbara on September 04, 2017, 11:45:26 PM
Thank you everyone you have given me things to think about, I am going to set to and clean the tank, then start setting it up this week. I will set a new topic on my progress so that you can dip in with help if you think/know I need it. Bx
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Littlefish on September 05, 2017, 08:05:37 AM
I'm looking forward to reading about your progress.  :)
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: MarquisMirage on September 05, 2017, 09:57:34 AM
Me too.  :D
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Matt on September 05, 2017, 06:08:24 PM
Dont forget... We LOVE pictures!!!

 :cheers:
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Aquarius Barbara on September 07, 2017, 09:26:25 PM
Ok I am now in a position to buy a heater and filter, BUT from information, you have all given I am not sure if I should before I choose my fish as different fish have different needs, i.e. heat and filter flow so do I choose my fish now then order them. bit confused, water testing kit will be here on the 9th sept which gives me time to get the tank clean and set up, I am itching to get started help Please. Bx
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Matt on September 07, 2017, 09:45:03 PM
You can definitely crack on and get the heater provided you get one with an adjustable temperature which the vast majority have apart from some of the very smallest.

I can see your point about filter flow.  My advice would be that provided you avoid the extremes you should be ok.  This includes both a) fish such as betta which prefer slower flow and hillstreak loaches which prefer faster flow, and b) includes filters which are significantly oversized for the tank (like more than twice) an undersized filter is never recommended of course.

Essentially I would crack on and get the equipment you want and let that guide your stocking, unless you have a specific species in mind which you are happy to constrain your other options just so you can have that species (in which case make a biotope for it).
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Aquarius Barbara on September 07, 2017, 09:54:27 PM
I hope you are still there matt I am trying to look on seriously fish but when I try to log in it sends me to a page that I have to type a  reCAPTCHA  below but there is nowhere to type it, this is getting frustrating as I am trying to find the fish that go together but the community creator just tells me just about all fish are no good for my tank the only one I have so far is 4 cherry barb's but can't find anything to put with them  :-\

I have just found how to register but now it won't accept my email address it says it is wrong  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Sue on September 07, 2017, 10:04:37 PM
Hi Barbara, you don't have to log in to see the fish profiles on Seriously Fish. Just click on this http://www.seriouslyfish.com/knowledge-base/ then type the fish name in the Profile Search.

Because it's an American site it sometimes doesn't have the same common names as the UK, so whenever possible, use the latin name.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Aquarius Barbara on September 07, 2017, 10:26:24 PM
Hi Matt, Thank You,  Think I have it sorted now.  What do you think if for starters If I stock with 4 Cherry barbs, 6 Ember Tetra's and 4 Five band barbs?

I only want to start small while I work on the larger tank as I am having a unit built for it to go on and my hubby is instaling led lighting in the hood instead of the tube lighting it came with. Then I will get the equipment I need for that, I was looking at the filter that came with the Tank (200L)  it today and it is a All ponds solutions internal filter with UV 700lf+  700 liters per hour is this ok for that size tank? 

p.s.  what do you think of maybe a couple of Sparkling Gourami as well?


Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Aquarius Barbara on September 07, 2017, 11:53:45 PM
ok this is what I have bought so far:

API Aquarium Saltwater Master Test Kit, 550-Piece,
Interpet Aqua Air Pump Aquarium Tropical Coldwater Fish Tank Air pump mini,
HAGEN FLUVAL E 100W ADVANCED ELECTRONIC AQUARIUM HEATER,
TAP AQUARIUM DOCTOR AQUA DECHLORINATOR TREATMENT 100ML,
CLASSIC SMALL BRIDGES 5" AQUARIUM TANK ORNAMENTS,
CLASSIC CORAL GARDEN 5" FOR TANKS & SM BIORBS,
aquarium Double Sided Background Aqua Garden/stone 18".

just got to go to Ikea to get a unit to stand the tank on then I am ready to Go.   ;) ;) :D :D
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Matt on September 08, 2017, 07:10:52 AM
Slightly worried by the saltwater test kit. I'm not sure if these can be used on freshwater as well as salt as i think the chemicals react differently in freshwater. Sue will know better than me on this one.

Regarding stocking, initially looks fine I'll do a bit more research tonight for you and see if I spot anything you might need to be aware of. I've not much experience with barbs though i must admit.

3.5 times turnover per hour would be considered low to normal in my view.  With it being an external filter there will be plenty of capacity for biological filtration so it should work just fine on your tank.

Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Sue on September 08, 2017, 12:21:03 PM
I don't know about the test kit. So I have contacted API to ask. The auto response says they should reply within 24 hours.

Personally, I would go with ember tetras and either cherry barbs or five band barb, and more embers and whichever barb you go for. Fish always do better with more than the minimum, and 55 litres isn't really big enough for 3 good sized shoals.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Aquarius Barbara on September 08, 2017, 01:41:13 PM
Looks like I have ordered the wrong API kit I will look into that. I will order the correct one and return the saltwater one, that's what you get for being too enthusiastic.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Sue on September 08, 2017, 04:20:03 PM
I have had a reply from API

Quote
Yes, you can use the Saltwater master kit for freshwater, however you would require the freshwater master test kit color chart because it will produce a different colors than freshwater.

I think I would return it if possible. Although you may be able to get a set of freshwater colour charts from API if you ask them.
http://www.apifishcare.co.uk/help-resource-center.php
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Aquarius Barbara on September 08, 2017, 04:24:44 PM
Thanks Sue, I have ordered Tetra Safe Start Water Conditioner and API Aquarium Freshwater Master Test Kit, 800-Piece. so once they are here I can get started, just got to pop out and get some sand and plants.

Thank You to everyone for all your help. B xx  :fishy1: :fishy1:
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: MarquisMirage on September 10, 2017, 06:19:21 PM
I lost my instructions to the API master kit once:
http://www.myaquariumclub.com/lost-your-api-freshwater-master-test-kit-color-chart-8633.html
http://www.apifishcare.com/pdf/34_Test_Kit_WEB_Instructions-1.pdf

Sounds like it's coming together nicely @Aquarius Barbara . :)
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Andy The Minion on September 10, 2017, 08:30:28 PM
@Aquarius Barbara and @Dr Um
I have these colour card images saved on a tablet and use them instead of the cards.
My issue was that the cards can have a worrying variation between packs, these were 'sensible looking' ie they do actually progress through the colours and each shade is noticeably different which is more than can be said for some of my actual cards.
It is not uncommon for people to report "I'm not sure if its 40 or 80ppm" and this to me sounds just daft - with this level of uncertainty it makes a mockery of testing. The test themselves will easily produce results that repeat between test of the same water better than 3ppm for Nitrate (it is not needed to be this accurate for Nitrate, but from experience I know it is possible) Ammonia I think can be read repeatably down to 0.05ppm rather than the 0.25ppm initial step on the card, so the actual test chemistry I believe to be very good.

Ed, More trouble with attachments, take 8 now with just one file more to follow, grrrr.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Andy The Minion on September 10, 2017, 08:36:45 PM
Take 11.
Nope, I cant even attach a 39k jpeg this is annoying!  >:(
If you would like the images IM me and I will send them to you directly

Ed.
I have just seen that the Nitrate that did get through wasn't the correct file... I give up, as above if anybody wants the images IM me GRRRR!
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Aquarius Barbara on September 11, 2017, 11:39:18 AM
My Lovely Hubby came home with the PFK mag and in there is an article about acquiring a diploma, the first thing they are doing is all about water testing gives you all the whats and where for's, of all the KH, PH's etc. so that is going to be great help when my kit gets here, the salt water one arrived today  :-[ but the other is on its way, my air pump arrived as well, so nearly ready to go. I purchased some sand and gravel on Saturday.

Which leads me to a question, in the shop the owner mention to be careful of gases building up under the sand as they can kill the fish, not wanting to look dumb in the shop I thought I would ask the members if they can explain what she was meaning please as I have not come across this in my research so far.??

I do not like the stand that goes with the aspire tank so I am looking for an alternative but not having any luck so far, due to the weight bearing that a unit will have to take. anyone got any ideas (other than building one myself)  ::)

Re: a check valve I don't have to go with the same manufacturer of the air pump for it can I but another make as the one that they say is £7.11 but others are as little as 49p.?
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Aquarius Barbara on September 11, 2017, 01:12:18 PM
Yippee Hubby Taking me to Maidenhead aquariums in Gosforth see you soon he, he.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Sue on September 11, 2017, 01:56:08 PM
It depends how deep the sand is. Over 5 cm there is a possibility. Most of the bacteria in our tanks need to use oxygen, like we and fish do. But some don't use oxygen, and these are called anaerobic bacteria. Right at the bottom of a deep layer of sand there is no oxygen making it a perfect home for these anaerobic bacteria. Some of them make a gas called hydrogen sulphide as their waste product - better known as the bad egg smell. This is actually quite poisonous and if a lot of it collects together to form a large pocket of gas, this has been blamed for fish deaths. If it comes out in bits and pieces, it is OK.
There are two things you can do to prevent the formation of a pocket of gas. Stir the sand with a stick every time you do a water change. Or get some Malaysian trumpet snails. These snails live in the sand and tunnel their way through it looking for food, so they stir up the sand for you.


Check valve - do you mean a one way valve to stop water creeping back up the air line tubing and into the air pump? I managed to break mine so I bought a pack of 2 from Ebay and that cost just under £3 including postage. I decided against the really cheap ones as I had already managed to break one.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Matt on September 11, 2017, 08:53:41 PM
My Lovely Hubby came home with the PFK mag and in there is an article about acquiring a diploma

I'm signed up  :cheers:
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Aquarius Barbara on September 11, 2017, 10:07:00 PM
Hi, Matt, I bought 2 none return valves for £3.99 when I was at Maidenhead Aquatics along with a few other bits.

But I did fall in love with some  Endlers Guppies they are beautiful and so tiny so going to look them up to see if it is worth while having them.
Will I be able to have some Malaysian Trumpets snails in my tank, with it just being a small 55lt I don't want to over crowd it.?

I am considering subscribing to PFK mag as they are doing 2 years for the price of 1. at the moment. I have enjoyed reading this one so looks like it might be a go'er.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Matt on September 11, 2017, 10:22:28 PM
Snails don't add much bioload to a tank. Not something you need to worry about as they will probably do more harm than good  :)

However, Endlers need hard water,as do most livebearing fish I'm afraid...
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Aquarius Barbara on September 12, 2017, 09:20:22 AM
Sorry Matt I don't understand, the snails do "more harm than good"??  :-\
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Sue on September 12, 2017, 10:01:31 AM
I think Matt might have written that backwards  ;D

Snails are a useful part of the ecosystem of a tank, as long as they don't multiply out of control. The way to stop that is by not overfeeding the fish once you have them.
Malaysian trumpet snails spend the day in the substrate looking for bits of food, though they do come out in the dark, and they turn stir up sand. They are also a useful early warning system - if you ever see them climbing the tank walls in daylight, test your tank water. Snails don't like ammonia and nitrite so if that appears in the water they try to get away from it by climbing out of the tank.

I have MTS as well as other snails in my tanks. Some I have bought, other's came with live plants.



Once, decades ago, fishkeepers killed every snail they saw. The out of date books I got from the library in the 1990s said snail were bad because they brought diseases into the tank. We now know different. I suppose if we went and collected snails from the local pond, that wouldn't be a good idea, but then using anything else from the local pond is not recommended.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: MarquisMirage on September 12, 2017, 10:42:46 AM
Have you bought any of the trumpet snails yet?  If you haven't let me hook you up with some for free.  PM me your address and I'll get them out to you.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Aquarius Barbara on September 12, 2017, 11:44:40 AM
I have not set tank up yet will be in the next week waiting for the water testing kit to arrive, slight delay due to me ordering wrong kit. But should be here by the end of the week. But I will contact you as soon as I am ready for them if that is still ok. Thank You. Bx
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Sue on September 12, 2017, 12:53:36 PM
It would be best to wait until the tank has cycled. I know it is said that Malaysian trumpet snails and cockroaches will be only survivors of a nuclear holocaust, but better safe than sorry. The species of snails we buy (nerite snails, apple snails if the EU hadn't banned them, etc ) are more sensitive to ammonia and nitrite than fish, though pest snails seem to be able to survive them.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Aquarius Barbara on September 12, 2017, 03:47:58 PM
Yes I was going to wait until I was ready to stock, just watching some you tube videos which are helping a lot as I can see what they are doing and making notes as I go. Thanks.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Aquarius Barbara on September 12, 2017, 06:19:51 PM
Progress report:
Bought stand sorting that tonight,
Everything other than fish and plants bought so once all arrives I will be getting started.
Could well be this weekend. Fingers crossed everyone.  :fishy1:

 ::)
Made another mistake I have just bought the interpet internal aquarium power filter PF1. then on reading more it is a pump as well so don't need the air pump I bought unless it does not aerate the water enough, then it will come in handy.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Sue on September 12, 2017, 06:45:29 PM
Most filters do aerate the water properly

Gas exchange takes place at the surface of the water. Oxygen dissolves in the water to replace that taken up by the fish. Carbon dioxide which is made by fish respiring leaves the water (live plants do make things more complex, but that's the basic idea). If the water did not move around, the same water would be at the surface all the time so that oxygen would have to diffuse down into the water before more could dissolve and carbon dioxide would have to diffuse to the surface for more to leave. If the water is churned up, carbon dioxide rich water from lower down in the tank is brought to the surface so carbon dioxide can be lost faster than still water; oxygen rich oxygenated waster is pushed down in the tank faster than it can can diffuse down.
Filters churn the water up by 'blowing' water through the tank. With air pumps, the bubbles churn up the water.

But the air pump is not a waste.

There are two occasions when using both a filter and an air pump can be useful, and these are when the water is warmer than usual. The warmer the water the less oxygen it can hold, so the more it is churned up the better. If your fish ever get whitespot part of the treatment is to turn the heater up, so air filters help get more oxygen into the water. And during a heatwave, they also help.

And should you ever develop multiple tank syndrome you may decide to get fish that like less water flow, and for this type of fish a sponge filter powered by an air pump is ideal. This is what I use in my betta's tank.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: MarquisMirage on September 12, 2017, 07:01:09 PM
I have a PF1 I've used but is currently a spare.  Replaced by a sponge filter when the shrimp tank was converted to a betta tank.  It has a built in venturi system on the top if you want the extra bubbles. :)  The instructions will tell you how to set it up as I can't recall off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Matt on September 12, 2017, 07:20:22 PM
I use an air pump primarily after feeding to get rid of any protein scum /oil on the waters surface.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Aquarius Barbara on September 12, 2017, 09:33:28 PM
Do you think that filter will be enough to aerate the tank or should I add an air stone in line as well?

I have now set my stand up with the tank on just so I can get the feel of having it in the living room.
hope it does not end up being too noisy as I am deaf on my right side and that is going to be on my left when I sit watching tv. Might have a play tomorrow and just see if it will fit in opposite corner. not sure about space.

Starting to get a little bit anxious and excited together, going to start reading up on the water testing. 

Thanks, All Bxx

Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Matt on September 12, 2017, 09:55:36 PM
I agree with Sue that the filter will be enough to aerate the tank on its own
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Sue on September 12, 2017, 10:02:44 PM
The flow rate of the Interpet PF1 is rated at 380 litres/hour. The minimum usually recommended is 5 times the tank volume per hour so for your 55 litres you need around 275 litres per hour. The PF1 should be plenty.

However, the manual says it has a white foam and a black, carbon impregnated, black foam. The on-line manual appears to have been photocopied from a creased sheet of paper. It ends the bottom of one column with "The foams can be washed in a bucket containing aquarium water. The carbon" and that sentence is supposed to continue at the top of the next column, only it's missing in this poor copy. If it says it should be replaced regularly, don't. Carbon gets full which is why they probably say to replace it, but carbon isn't actually needed. Since this carbon is in a sponge, just treat it like a white foam.

http://www.interpet.co.uk/Media/InterpetUK/Skoo/2201/2201_7.pdf
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Littlefish on September 12, 2017, 10:20:31 PM
Great to see that you have the tank and stand set up.....and the stand looks as if it could even take a bigger tank, you know, if necessary, in the future.  ;)
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: MarquisMirage on September 12, 2017, 10:59:40 PM
I agree the PF1 alone will be enough.  I see you went with the same aquarium stand as I use for my betta tank and volcano tank. :D  So much störage.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Aquarius Barbara on September 12, 2017, 11:03:10 PM
The stand is just an Ikea kallax unit with the cupboard inserts. it states in the blurb that it supposedly only takes a weight of 13 kg but not sure if that is the weight of unit or weight it can take ???. we are going to get 2 baskets for the bottom as I hate seeing all the wires. but I certainly think it looks better than the one that comes with the tank, that one was far to plain for me, a picture below.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Aquarius Barbara on September 12, 2017, 11:07:47 PM
Hi Mark,
 I was a bit wary about what to use as a stand, I did not want anything too big or too small. Weight bearing is a problem with some of the high street cupboards/storage unit as they can be rather flimsy I have the larger 6 hole unit in my dining room as a book case so thought this should be ok for my tank which will be 55kg + once fully set up.  What size and approx weight are your tanks if you don't mind me asking.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: MarquisMirage on September 12, 2017, 11:25:49 PM
The volcano tank is 60 l and the betta tank is 30 l.   I see what you mean about the weight thing on the Ikea website (I hadn't considered it may be an issue) as it says 13 kg per shelf.  I take that to mean the thinner shelves on the inside rather than the top.  The tops seem sturdy enough to me and I don't think it will become a problem.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Matt on September 13, 2017, 05:54:20 AM
It has been known for me and my wife to both sit on a cupboard to test its weight bearing capacity!  :rotfl:

I wonder if it might be worth changing the carbon sponge for some ordinary filter sponge. I have read about carbon releasing the nasties it's taken in when it becomes full... agree with Sue that it should not be replaced regularly though as you would loose all the beneficial bacteria within it.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Littlefish on September 13, 2017, 07:12:24 AM
@Aquarius Barbara I like that cabinet.

As for thinks like Ikea cabinets, I have used brackets like those in the link below to reinforce cabinets and bookcases to allow for fish tank storage. I have repurposed/rebuilt a few items, and added extra panels and brackets, to make sure that the units can take the weight.
http://www.diy.com/departments/silver-effect-steel-angle-bracket/243264_BQ.prd

I have also been known to test the load bearing capacity of a unit in much the same way as Matt has described, and so far so good. You would be amazed at what you can do if you are determined to make space for some extra fish tanks (my tv stand houses a Fluval Roma 125).  :)
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Aquarius Barbara on September 13, 2017, 09:39:58 AM
I have a larger tank that is a meter long it fits great into an alcove opposite corner to the one I showed last night. So I will be looking for something similar to put that on. The cabinet that came with it (second hand) on closer inspection is a bit damaged, we have flat packed it and keeping it for now as we might use it as a template to build a new one ourselves if we can get a similar coloured board or wood.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Ian1962 on September 17, 2017, 07:15:14 AM
Hi Barbara
Sorry for this late reply. If you like Aquarium snails, you might consider Nitre snails. There are a few different types, with different colours and markings. Also another advantage with them, is they can't breed in freshwater. They need salt water to breed, but live happily in fresh water. I have subscribed to Practical Fish Keeping for many years. It an excellent magazine, full of information and articals. If you subscribe by direct debit, you can get freebies when your renewal is due. We all love a freebie don't we. I've had free filters, fish food, over the years. It's a no loose situation. I hope you find this useful.
     :fishy1:

[Nerite snails - just fixing the spelling to allay any potential confusion.  :) Moderator  C:-).]
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Matt on September 17, 2017, 09:00:48 AM
Which version do you get Ian? Print or digital?
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Matt on September 17, 2017, 09:11:18 AM
Just read through the diploma stuff... I'm getting confused by something...

To set the scene, it states that "water movement is vital in bringing deoxygenated water from the bottom of the tank to the top of the tank, where it can be replenished with oxygen."
This all makes sense.
But I'm struggling with "Increasing the surface area through water movement will increase the rate at which gas can be absorbed or released."
Whilst I can't deny that a less smooth water surface will have a greater surface area than a perfectly flat surface area... but surely it is the water movement around the tank (as in the first quote) that is the overriding factor??

Thoughts please!!...
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Sue on September 17, 2017, 10:30:34 AM
My understanding is that with no water movement, the same bit of water stays at the top all the time. But moving that top layer down and the bottom layer up effectively creates a larger water surface because it is not the same bit of water at the surface all the time.

I could be wrong though  ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Matt on September 17, 2017, 11:44:48 AM
effectively creates

I think this is the key word!!
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Ian1962 on September 17, 2017, 03:44:25 PM
Hi Matt
I get the print version of Practical Fish keeping. It's my understanding that it's both the surface aggertation and the water movement, around the whole tank that helps with the re oxygenation of the water. I hope that make sense. :)
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: MarquisMirage on September 17, 2017, 06:40:02 PM
Yay science!  At 25 degrees Celsius and 1 bar of pressure oxygen solubility is at 40 mg/L water.  With normal air composition oxygen partial pressure is 0.2 standard atmospheres.  Dissolution equals 40 x 0.2 = 8 mg O (subscript) 2/L in water that comes in contact with air.

So they meant surface contact instead of 'surface area'.  Which is what everyone else has said already.  So...  er...  yeah.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Aquarius Barbara on September 17, 2017, 11:22:18 PM
You lot are frightening me I haven't even started yet and I am pulling my hair out.   :yikes: :yikes: :yikes: :yikes:
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: MarquisMirage on September 18, 2017, 08:26:31 PM
lol, we made it far more complicated than it needs to be.
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Sue on September 18, 2017, 09:06:01 PM
The good thing about this hobby is that you can learn what to do without knowing why. Then if you are interested in why you can research that at your leisure. Some of us like to learn about water chemistry (as I have a chemistry degree I do find the chemistry to be interesting). Others are more interested in growing plants so learn a lot about that. Or breeding fish. Starting out is a steep learning curve. There is plenty time for further reading once you have the basics right  :)
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Aquarius Barbara on September 18, 2017, 10:50:12 PM
Fingers crossed should be starting the setup by end of the week just waiting for a couple of things to come, then I will nip out and get some plants. and I will be good to go. B x
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Littlefish on September 19, 2017, 08:27:48 AM
I cannot emphasize enough how steep the initial learning curve is. It's steeeeeeeeeeeeep.
Even with reading up on as many topics as you can, when you have responsibility for the welfare of live animals it is very different. Fish are a little different to most pets because of their environment.
Any problems can cause a lot of panic, so please use the resources around you. We are here to help, those of us with less experience can provide moral support, while those with more experience can provide answers and advice.
It's also worth getting to know the staff at your LFS, although their job is to sell stuff, most of them are passionate about fish and can also provide useful information.
Finally a warning. You will find yourself interested in the "why" and start researching, whether it be the chemistry, plants, whatever, and then a whole, huge, watery world of wonder will become apparent. At that point you'll find that it has all become very addictive, and you will need huge reserves of willpower not to immediately start planning your next tank.  :-[   :)
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Sue on September 19, 2017, 08:53:48 AM
you will need huge reserves of willpower not to immediately start planning your next tank.

So that's your problem, Littlefish, lack of willpower  ;D
Title: Re: Newbie Hello
Post by: Littlefish on September 19, 2017, 12:18:03 PM
you will need huge reserves of willpower not to immediately start planning your next tank.

So that's your problem, Littlefish, lack of willpower  ;D

Absolutely Sue.
I'm almost as bad when I see new plants for the garden.  ::)  ;D