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Offline Sue

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Re: Hello from York
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2019, 01:49:26 PM »
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You can scrub the wood to remove the film. It will stop at some point.

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Need to test for nitrates tonight.
I hope you mean nitrite  ;)

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Re: Hello from York
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2019, 07:17:56 PM »
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Still have 4ppm of ammonia.

Need to test for nitrates tonight.

Hi Peter,

Please remind me of the method you are following. And what are you using as your supply of nitrifying bacteria? Is it gravel or mature biological media from another tank? Or, perhaps a bottled bacteria product such as Tetra SafeStart? Do you have plenty of aeration? What is the water temperature? That's enough questions for now!

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Re: Hello from York
« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2019, 10:19:25 PM »
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Yes Sue I meant Nitrite.

I am using an undergravel filter with 2 down tube fed by an air pump and 2 airstone. I have fine gravel on top with some plants and root tabs in the gravel.

The water is 28°C.

I have used Fluval Biological Enhancer. For the first 4 days I have been putting 25ml as per instructions on the bottle.

I have just put one Indian Almond Leaf to try and soften and acidify the water. I will test the pH in a day or two when the leave has stopped floating around.

I am hoping once the bacteria start doing their job the white film on my wood will disappear.

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Re: Hello from York
« Reply #23 on: September 06, 2019, 09:32:05 AM »
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You said that your ammonia reading was 4 ppm - did you add ammonia or is that in the Fluval product? I know that some bacterial products used to contain ammonia but don't know if they still do.


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Re: Hello from York
« Reply #24 on: September 06, 2019, 11:45:25 AM »
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Hi Sue

I added some. I purchased a bottle of Dr Tim's Ammonium Chloride and followed instructions on the bottle.

Cheers
Peter

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Re: Hello from York
« Reply #25 on: September 06, 2019, 11:55:42 AM »
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Just wanted to check, you didn't mention it a couple of posts ago  ;)

The IAL won't do much for the hardness or pH I'm afraid. The only way to reduce hardness is by removing calcium from the water, and adding things, even IAL, doesn't do this. The only way to remove calcium is by diluting it with 'pure' water. And hard water goes with high KH. When there is a lot of carbonate (ie KH) in the water it is virtually impossible to lower the pH as the carbonate prevents it.
However, going back through the thread, I see you intend using RO water. The cycle will go faster in hard water with high pH so the time to introduce RO is once the cycle has finished.

You also mentioned apistogrammas a few pots ago - look in MA in Poppleton.

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Re: Hello from York
« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2019, 12:29:29 PM »
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I thought the IAL added tannins into the water which softens and altered the pH of the water.

Yes hoping to pop to MA at Poppleton this weekend to see what is available.

I have bought a TPI water hardness kit to add to my master test kit. So I should know what my water is doing.


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Re: Hello from York
« Reply #27 on: September 06, 2019, 04:32:21 PM »
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Tannins cannot remove calcium so it can't soften water. They can reduce pH but only in water with low KH. They use up all the KH so the pH can then fall.
With hard water, there is no effect, you have to use RO water or similar to lower both GH and KH for the tannins

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Re: Hello from York
« Reply #28 on: September 07, 2019, 03:10:10 PM »
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Hi Peter,

What is the pH and KH of your tank water? Both of these are critical to the success of your cycle. The pH needs to be between 7.4 and 8.0 for the nitrifying bacteria to multiply in numbers. KH should be between 6dKH and 8dKH at the start of the cycle. KH will reduce as the cycle progresses.

JPC


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Re: Hello from York
« Reply #29 on: September 07, 2019, 03:49:35 PM »
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Just tested my water.  Ammonia is 0.5ppm. Ph is 7.6. Nitrite is 5ppm. Kh is 7.

So I have added some more ammonium chloride.

Picked up other tank this morning. Its a 90cm x 38cm x 30cm - 95ltr.  Just need to sort out a stand for it and start buying the substrate etc to get it going.

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Re: Hello from York
« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2019, 05:51:56 PM »
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Just tested my water.  Ammonia is 0.5ppm. Ph is 7.6. Nitrite is 5ppm. Kh is 7.

Hi Peter,

Excellent! You are well on track for a successful cycle.

JPC

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Re: Hello from York
« Reply #31 on: September 09, 2019, 06:32:47 PM »
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Just tested my water.  Ammonia is 0.0ppm.  Nitrite is 1.0ppm.

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Re: Hello from York
« Reply #32 on: September 09, 2019, 07:47:47 PM »
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Test again in 2 days -11 September - and if nitrite has dropped below 1 ppm, add ammonia to 3 ppm and test next day. If that shows zero for both, the cycle has finished. But if either are above zero, the next step depends on the actual readings.

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Re: Hello from York
« Reply #33 on: September 09, 2019, 08:04:04 PM »
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Thank Sue.

Been following your guide in the cycle section.

Looking forward to getting my first fish or two. But still cannot put my finger on the ones I want.

I am hoping my tank will be cycled on Saturday. Then I can do big water change (down to substrate) with RO water. Then think about getting fish on Sunday.

Plants are growing nicely. Lots of fresh green shoots and the roots are growing on the surface plants.

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Re: Hello from York
« Reply #34 on: September 09, 2019, 08:25:02 PM »
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Don't forget that fish can't live in 100% RO - you either have to mix it with tap water or add remineralisation salts  ;)

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Re: Hello from York
« Reply #35 on: September 09, 2019, 08:30:19 PM »
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Sorry should have said, I will be getting remineralised RO.

I was wondering how many Cory's can I get to start my tank off with.  I am looking at either Julii or salt and pepper. I intend to have atleast 6 but do not want to overload my tank in the first month.

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Re: Hello from York
« Reply #36 on: September 09, 2019, 10:23:18 PM »
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If you do a fishless cycle, in theory you can fully stock the tank as soon as it has cycled. I prefer to do less than that, for 2 reasons. First it gives you 'wiggle room' if the tank was not fully cycled and secondly you are bound to spot a must-have fish during the first few months and not have any room for them.
Any sensitive fish should wait till the tank has been running a few months.

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Re: Hello from York
« Reply #37 on: September 10, 2019, 12:58:28 PM »
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I know you haven't been sure about which fish to get but, if you were still swaying between a type of tetra (or harlequin or other mid-level fish) or a type of cory, best to opt for the tetra (or other mid-level fish I mention) as they're less sensitive than cories. 

The type you opt for depends on what you'd like in the tank.  There are advantages of different types e.g. strong colouring (green neon tetras, cardinal tetras, ember tetras if in planted tank for contrast against greenery, red phantom tetras), patterning (harlequin rasboras or espei or hengeli rasboras), strong finnage colouring to contrast with a neutral-coloured body (e.g. x-ray tetras).  I also value being able to make eye contact with each of my fish, so that rules out some with a horizontal stripe that 'hides' the eye to some extent (e.g. cherry barbs) but this is less important to most folk.

If you decided to keep the larger tank for a community of mid-level fish and cories and possibly a couple of feature fish such as honey gourami or even surface dwellers such as hatchetfish, then an alternative for your smaller tank might be some dwarf puffers which might suit your water without you having to use RO water in that tank (if you were prepared to feed them snails, etc, as required).


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Re: Hello from York
« Reply #38 on: September 13, 2019, 09:11:15 AM »
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Oooh, this is getting exciting.  ;D

I couldn't agree more with Sue when she says about not fully stocking your tank because you're bound to see a fish in the first few months that you must have. That's how I ended up with so many tanks.

I have hatchetfish in a couple of tanks, and they do look good at the surface. I also have a dwarf puffer tank, and it's very difficult to ignore those adorable little faces. Perhaps it's best that I don't get involved here as I'd probably encourage you to get a lot more tanks.  ;)

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Re: Hello from York
« Reply #39 on: September 13, 2019, 10:15:57 AM »
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Thanks guys. You have given me even more of a headache. Suggesting fish I had not even considered. I am thinking Cory's and rams. I do like the look of the Electric Blue - ust get a couple and a shoal 6+ salt pepper Cory's.

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