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Offline AndreaCC

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Re: Looking forward to learning from you all!
« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2016, 08:43:31 AM »
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All it says for the alkalinity is that it's CaCO3 in mg per litre and for hardness it just says mg/L. Does this help? Or should I give them a call?

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« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2016, 10:19:15 AM »
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All it says for the alkalinity is that it's CaCO3 in mg per litre and for hardness it just says mg/L. Does this help? Or should I give them a call?

OK, so they're both in mg/l and 17.85 mg/l = 1 dGH (German Hardness)

So your hardness is less than 1 dGH, which means your water is super, super soft.

Without wishing to be rude, could you post a link to the water quality report for your postcode please, 'cos if that is the hardness and alkalinity then remedial action will be necessary to get stable water conditions.

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Re: Looking forward to learning from you all!
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2016, 10:54:52 AM »
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Lol that's not rude, and my chemistry is terrible so I'd appreciate if you checked what I'm saying! https://www.watercorporation.com.au/-/media/files/about-us/our-performance/drinking-water-quality/dwq-annual-report-perth-aesthetic-tables.pdf
I'm in the Kenwick area, which is the eighth line from the bottom :)

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Re: Looking forward to learning from you all!
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2016, 11:13:06 AM »
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Do you mean South Perth/Kewdale? That's the 8th from the bottom.

There are several units used to measure hardness, but only two of them are used in fishkeeping - german degrees (aka dH), and ppm (aka mg/l). Those are the two you will see in fish profiles in websites. Your table gives them in mg/l, the same as ppm, so I'll convert them to german degrees for you.

Water companies take several samples and they give the values for the highest, the lowest and the mean. I usually go by the mean value.


The mean alkalinity (fishkeepers call this KH, for carbonate hardness) is 87 ppm, or 4.9 german deg

The mean hardness (fishkeepers call this GH or just hardness) is 80 ppm or 4.5 german deg.

The mean pH is 7.73




In other words, your water is similar to mine - I have 5 degrees GH, 3 degrees KH and pH 7.5-ish.

You will find in fish profiles that a species likes soft acid water or hard alkaline water. We have soft alkaline water just to be awkward. Fish can cope with a pH outside their preferred range better than a hardness outside the normal range. Go for soft water fish, but avoid those than must have a low pH.



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« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2016, 12:10:29 PM »
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...and similar to mine, too, in mid-Wales.

A Selection of Fish in my Fish Community Creator Tanks
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Re: Looking forward to learning from you all!
« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2016, 12:57:08 PM »
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Thanks Sue :) sorry yes on that graph I fall into the south Perth area. Okay that makes sense :) so are there any species you can recommend that would do particularly well?

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« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2016, 01:49:22 PM »
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Virtually all fish from South America (I'm thinking tetras and dwarf cichlids) would be fine, just check on Seriously Fish that a particular species can cope with a high-ish pH as some species do need a low pH as well as soft water. And there are plenty of Asian fish that would fit the bill as well.

The main problem you might encounter is where you live - Australia. I know from other websites that Australia does not allow some fish that other countries have access to, so make sure you can get the fish you want before planning a tank round a particular species.



If you look at my signature you'll see the fish I currently have, which are fine for soft alkaline water. In the past I've had honey gouramis, golden pencilfish, dwarf chain loaches (I have sand!), ember tetras, emperor tetras, dwarf rainbowfish, aptisogrammas to name a few.

The simplest thing might be to check out a few shops and see what you can source locally. Then come back with a list of fish you liked the looks of. There are just so many fish out there........






Talking of alkalinity in water companies' data, it is worth an explanation.
This is not the same thing as having a pH above 7, which is more correctly called basic. Water companies use this term because of their test method. They take a sample of water and add an acid until the pH drops to a certain value (I think it is 4.5 in the UK). The amount of acid this takes is what they mean by alkalinity. Since the naturally occurring chemical in the water that resists the acid (meaning more acid must be added to drop the pH) is carbonate, the other term for it is carbonate hardness which is what fishkeepers use. It is called KH simply because the German for carbonate starts with a K.

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Re: Looking forward to learning from you all!
« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2016, 02:15:02 PM »
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Thank you Sue, that's really helpful :) I actually did like the dwarf rainbows a lot, and I might get them instead of the pearl gouramis if they would be a better fit :) creating a proper bio type aquarium could be quite cool, although I'll probably fail on the plants lol the area I live in has a few really good fish shops, and there's an online store which is very good so I'm not too worried about not being able to find a good range of species :) I've certainly seen everything you've mentioned so far apart from the assassin snails


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Re: Looking forward to learning from you all!
« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2016, 05:55:41 PM »
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This is a very exciting part of tank set up - researching fish.  ;D

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« Reply #29 on: September 28, 2016, 01:32:36 PM »
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It is indeed! Okay so for a provisional stocking list I'm thinking
3 pearl gouramis 1m 2f
3 apistogrammas 1m 2f
1 peppermint bristle nose
2 assassin snails if I can find them
10 Cardinal tetras
10 zebra danios

I'll also add more plants and two additional caves for the apistos. Does that sound good?

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« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2016, 02:07:29 PM »
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That sounds OK to me.

In the UK, the most common apistos are A. cacatuoides (cockatoo cichlids) and A. agassizii. Some shops stock A. borellii (umbrella cichlid). The first two come in a few different colour forms, while the third had a couple, including yellow head and opal. If Australia has these three available, they will all do fine at your pH. All three are in the fish profiles on here.

Be careful with cockatoos. In a tank with a lot of fish (ie a shop tank) there will be a dominant male and several subordinate males. These subordinate males often take on the appearance of females to escape being bullied by the dominant male. I once bought a pair from a breeder which turned out to be 2 males. And I later had a group of fry bred in my tank. One subordinate male even took on the yellow colour of a female in breeding condition before suddenly growing his fin extensions  :o

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Re: Looking forward to learning from you all!
« Reply #31 on: September 28, 2016, 02:47:30 PM »
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About ten minutes from me is a fabulous cichlid specialist, so I think I'll start there :) thank you so much for your help everyone, I'll keep you updated on how I go!

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« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2016, 04:15:40 PM »
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I'd keep an eye on the temperatures... zebra danios prefer cooler water than gouramis or apistogrammas and are a good fish for an unheated tank. There's a very narrow overlap at 24ºC. The danios are also very active and could stress out the gourami. However; I've never kept either species so I could be talking tosh!

Harlequin rasboras might be a good alternative to the danios. Colourful, shoaling, but more laid back.

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Re: Looking forward to learning from you all!
« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2016, 04:35:38 PM »
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Colin is quite right, danios do prefer cooler temps but are do-able if you are very careful about the tank temp.

Having just bought some hengel's rasboras, which are very similar to harlequins, I can say that they are indeed colourful, less zoomy fish and won't nip at the gourami's feelers.

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« Reply #34 on: September 28, 2016, 07:02:02 PM »
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I can confirm that zebra danios are very active fish and can be quite dominant at feeding time. I have mine in an unheated tank which also contains leopard danios, variatus platies, peppered cories and amano shrimp. They are all very active.
Rasboras are beautiful. Unfortunately I haven't got any as my water is very hard.

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Re: Looking forward to learning from you all!
« Reply #35 on: September 29, 2016, 05:22:25 AM »
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Okay cool :) in Perth it gets really hot and while I can keep control of the tank temperature to a degree, I do need to know that an increase of a couple of degrees won't be detrimental. I like the harlequin rasboras so I'll get those instead :)

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« Reply #36 on: September 29, 2016, 08:02:18 PM »
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I like the harlequin rasboras so I'll get those instead :)
Excellent choice of fish. I have them too. :)

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Re: Looking forward to learning from you all!
« Reply #37 on: October 05, 2016, 09:59:18 AM »
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I like the harlequin rasboras so I'll get those instead :)
Excellent choice of fish. I have them too. :)

+1, I love my harlequins  8)

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