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Test Kits & Basics
« on: November 17, 2016, 02:23:18 PM »
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Soz, unsure if this should be under cycling section, but I am new. I am getting everything ready in anticipation of my tank arrival end of next week - I'm so excited, that at the age of 51 I should know better.

1) Any recommendations on the best water Test Kit, covering all basis please?
2) Do rocks and wood (purchased from local aquarium shop) need any specific cleaning prior to setting or can it just go in following a fresh water swill?
3) Just going for plants to start, on previous advice will cycle after 2-3 weeks. Can I de-chlorinate the water in the tank (research says yes) and would I need to warm the water for just plants prior to 1st fill (research says no).

Thank you Simon

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Re: Test Kits & Basics
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2016, 02:33:55 PM »
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1.
The most commonly used test kit is the API master test kit which contains testers for ammonia, nitrite nitrate and pH - both 6 to 7.5 and 7.5 to 8.something. Only use the one which applies to your pH.
There are other makes as well, and the Rolls Royce is Salifert which uses powders rather than liquid reagent.
Liquid/powder types are better than strips and they cost less per test.

2.
Give rocks a scrub under the tap to remove dust etc. Wood should be soaked in a bucket of water to remove the worst of the tannins. Some types of wood take weeks, others don't leach brown at all. Some types of wood need to be soaked to get them to sink. Soak it to find out which you've bought.

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Yes, dechlorinate the water and warm it as these are tropical plants, but only to the temp they'll be after cycling. You can turn the heater up when you start the cycle.
You'd probably be OK without dechlorinator as chlorine would gas off before you start the cycle, but unless you are certain you water company uses chlorine rather than chloramine it is safer to add dechlorinator. Chloramine doesn't gas off.

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Re: Test Kits & Basics
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2016, 02:41:35 PM »
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V prompt as ever Sue (just had to donate, this site is fabulous).

Just checking on the chlorine again, you think, to begin with just plants it may not need dechlorination - does the API or Salifert identify the chlorine levels in the tap water?

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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2016, 03:00:06 PM »
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Only the strips test for chlorine.

Thinking about it, use dechlorinator. Plants, unless they are grown in sterile media, will have the bacteria we want on them. You don't want to kill those bacteria off by putting them in undechlorinated water. Anything that can seed the cycle is worth preserving  :)
And you'd have to add it anyway before starting the cycle so you may as well add it as you fill the tank rather than a week or two later.


If you are in England rather than Wales, Scotland, NI, look at this document http://www.dwi.gov.uk/about/annual-report/2014/index.html First select your region then look in the index for 'Drinking Water Quality Results - Chemical Quality. The chemicals are in alphabetical order and you need the section on Nitrate and  Nitrite. It's there rather than the section on chlorine because "Nitrite may be formed when chloramine is used as the residual disinfectant"

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Re: Test Kits & Basics
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2016, 03:21:04 PM »
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Hi Sue, I was mentally doing so well, now that has bamboozled me completely....

 I am in Bristol and I have scrolled to the area of Nitrite and Nitrate. Shows very low Nitrite (I think), so this means little or no chloramine? Which is good?

You are patient, dealing with people like me!

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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2016, 03:35:48 PM »
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This from my area and is the kind of thing I expected to see
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Northumbrian Water uses chloramine in the Middleton in the Tees area (Lartington works) and Yorkshire Water supplies water with a chloramine residual to consumers living in and around Doncaster, Skipton, Whitby, York and Pateley Bridge.


I've just looked at the western section and it doesn't give a list of places that have chloramine rather than chlorine. Does this mean nowhere has chloramine or everywhere does?




You could always ring them and ask if your tap water was treated with chlorine or chloramine. My experience with emailing them to ask just results in them sending a water quality report which doesn't answer the question.

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Re: Test Kits & Basics
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2016, 03:51:49 PM »
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I called Bristol Water, they say no Chlorimine.

Forgotten why I asked - LOL - joking. So Sue, to be safe a small amount of dechlorinisation for the plants only. Phew I think.

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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2016, 04:37:30 PM »
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It also helps to know the hardness of your tap water. While you can buy test kits for GH (general hardness) and KH (carbonate hardness) you can find GH from your water company's website. Since you mentioned Bristol water I had a look. They say that all their water is hard or very hard. If you want to know which yours is, go to their website and do a search for hardness. At the bottom of the first section you'll find a link for 'postcode search facility' Clicking on that takes you to a map. Locate your town on the map and the box in the top left will say either hard or very hard.

When researching  fish you need that hardness. On the page before the map they give a table saying what they mean by hard and very hard. Look at the figures for mg/l calcium carbonate (also called ppm) and German degrees. These are the two units used in fish keeping.

Or to get a more precise figure rather than a range, get a shop to test the GH for you.



Because you have hard/very hard water you will almost certainly have a high KH. This is good for cycling as the bacteria we want to grow need it. It will also hold your pH stable during cycling.

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Re: Test Kits & Basics
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2016, 06:48:55 AM »
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Hi Simon,  Will you be following Sue's cycling instructions? http://forums.thinkfish.co.uk/fishtank-filtration-and-cycling/fishless-cycling-how-to-do-it/

I only ask because it may well take more than 3 weeks... sorry to be the party pooper!

Do you have a source of ammonia to feed the beneficial bugs during the cycle?

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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2016, 09:23:54 AM »
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I understood him to mean he would plant the tank, wait 2 to 3 weeks to start the plants off, then start the cycle  ???

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Re: Test Kits & Basics
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2016, 09:50:29 AM »
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Hi Matt, Sue is right, I will be planting then cycling without fish, after a couple of weeks.

My family want fish by xmas, I have told them they will have lovely clear water and growing plants, in readiness.....something for the new year. I have waited this long, another month or two will be worthwhile.

Sue I am going onto that harness thing now.

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Re: Test Kits & Basics
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2016, 10:03:09 AM »
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Hi Sue, my readings are as follows from Bristol Water info:

PHH avg 7.55
Degrees German 11
Total Hardness mg/l CaCO3 189

How do I view the outcomes?

thanks Simon

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« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2016, 10:24:43 AM »
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Personally I would view the outcome with quite a big smile on my face, as that water seems to be more neutral to slightly hard, which gives you a great range of options when it comes to fish.
Then again, I might just be a little bit jealous as my water hardness is 17 degrees German, 322mg/l CaCO3.
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« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2016, 12:15:35 PM »
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Littlefish has hit the nail on the head.

It is fine for cycling (lots of KH likely with that GH) and the pH is above 7. And provided you avoid the few species that must have soft or very hard water, you main problem is going to be deciding which fish as there are so many suitable species  :)


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Re: Test Kits & Basics
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2016, 09:54:22 PM »
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So glad to see this is being done correctly!! Sorry to have doubted you Simon!!

What I have never properly confessed to on here is that I followed poor advice when setting up my tank when I set it up a few years ago and used bottled bacteria waited 2 weeks and added fish... They went through a fish in cycle with me also not testing the water in any way... great advice from the shop... luckily harlequins are very hardy fish! Plus I have now learnt how to do things right next time of course!...

Anyways back to the topic in hand...
Do you plan to feed the plants in any way? Root tabs or fertilisers for example?

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Re: Test Kits & Basics
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2016, 08:18:14 AM »
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Thanks guys for the responses, many advantages living in the west country, didn't appreciate lots of rain straight off the Atlantic being one of them. Great re the fish options.

Matt, seriously I am being 'nagged' to do the bottled stuff, they are telling me the plants and the bottled bacteria would be absolutely fine, and these seem like serious independent retailers. I have now read and heard enough, on here alone, to be patient and do it the 'proper' way.


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Re: Test Kits & Basics
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2016, 03:36:44 PM »
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Along the same lines - does anybody have any views on water from a water butt? We have a huge one in the garden and ironically it would be easy to hose into the relevant room. Certainly chlorine wouldn't be an issue, but I wonder about parasites? Maybe this is a complete no go? thanks

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« Reply #17 on: November 21, 2016, 03:51:47 PM »
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It depends on whether the water is likely to be contaminated with industrial air pollution, farmers spraying things, the substance your roof is made from, and birds using your roof as a toilet.

If the answer is that the water butt is safe from all those, you can use it. But it will be pure water and there are no fish in the trade that can survive in pure water. They all need some mineral content. The solution to that is to use remineralisation salts (fresh water ones, not marine) of the kind used by people who use RO water in their tanks. You would need to experiment with a bucket of water and a GH tester to find out how much remin salts need to be added to get the hardness you are happy with, then use that strength at every water change. It also means you could never use tap water for water changes if the butt runs dry; you would have to buy RO water from a fish shop, or an RO device to make it yourself

(RO = reverse osmosis, a process which removes everything from tap water leaving pure water)

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Re: Test Kits & Basics
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2016, 08:20:59 AM »
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Thanks Sue, I will rule the water butt out immediately, keep it for the garden.

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Re: Test Kits & Basics
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2016, 08:06:37 AM »
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Hi Sue, my initial point 3) above, about heating the water. Can I plant, then fill the tank with cold water from the tap, to then heat in the tank? I don't know how long it takes for the heater to bring the temperature to the desired 26C. My tank is 256L.

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