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Re: Apache's Breeding tank: progress and updates: tank set up
« Reply #60 on: March 13, 2016, 06:22:08 PM »
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Media from the main tank will not be a substitute for a fishless cycle, but it will certainly help. It will be more like Paddy's progress rather than starting completely from scratch.
I know it is quite frustrating, but releasing your fish into the main tank, or asking the shop to take them back for a while, really is the safest option.
Paddy has recommended cheap ammonium and Simon has found cheaper tests. If you want to do the full range of tests the API freshwater master test kit is good, which can also be ordered on Amazon for around £23.

Why don't you have long to cycle the tank?

What are the biggest problems you feel that you are facing at the moment?

Let us know and we will help wherever we can.  :)

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Re: Apache's Breeding tank: progress and updates: tank set up
« Reply #61 on: March 13, 2016, 06:32:53 PM »
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*shop, not ship. :-[ Apologies for the spelling.

 
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Re: Apache's Breeding tank: progress and updates: tank set up
« Reply #62 on: March 13, 2016, 08:55:47 PM »
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Well, the shop won't take them back since endlera are rare and if I release them into the tank the angles will eat them... I may also use this tank as a source of income so I don't have long for the  welbieng of the endlers

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Re: Apache's Breeding tank: progress and updates: tank set up
« Reply #63 on: March 13, 2016, 08:57:11 PM »
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Turns out I need to clean the sand :-(

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Re: Apache's Breeding tank: progress and updates: tank set up
« Reply #64 on: March 13, 2016, 09:34:31 PM »
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No problem. If it is aquarium sand it will just need rinsing in plenty of water.  :)
As for your tank, it is worth taking a bit of time now to ensure the set up & water quality is good so that you don't lose any of your Endlers.
I'm guessing that you got the pure breed Endlers. As most are crossed with normal guppies the pure breed ones should be easier to sell on.
I would still say that it is worth starting a fishless cycle, but then I've only been keeping fish since last October. It's worth taking the advice of the more experienced fish keepers on this forum.






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Re: Apache's Breeding tank: progress and updates: tank set up
« Reply #65 on: March 13, 2016, 09:40:36 PM »
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If the endlers came from a shop they will be endler guppy hybrids no matter what they look like. You have to go to specialist breeders to get pure endlers. I had some pure ones about 10 years ago, and I got them from specialists.

And endlers in shops are not rare. Almost every shop sells them.

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Re: Apache's Breeding tank: progress and updates: tank set up
« Reply #66 on: March 13, 2016, 09:56:00 PM »
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 :( I would love to do a fishless cycle.. I just don't have the money for ammonia and tests.

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Re: Apache's Breeding tank: progress and updates: tank set up
« Reply #67 on: March 13, 2016, 10:12:32 PM »
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Just had a chat with dad and he will get bactiria from his fluval into my tank and add in 2 female kribensis (we have 4 females) to produce ammonia for the cycle. The endlers will remain in the tank until it is ready. 1 month~ after putting in the endlers and removing the kribs, I may put in 2 female and 4 male panda corys and a pair of ottocinclus. If there is not enough algae then I will supplement with cucumber and put a tub of water with stones in to grow algae on the rocks, on my windowsill. Any other suggestions as the community creator says these number of tank mates are fine.

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Re: Apache's Breeding tank: progress and updates: tank set up
« Reply #68 on: March 13, 2016, 10:13:46 PM »
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It is very important to test your water, regardless of whether you are doing a fishless or fish-in cycle.
BlindDogStanley is currently going through a fish-in cycle, so it might be worth asking him how he's getting on.

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Re: Apache's Breeding tank: progress and updates: tank set up
« Reply #69 on: March 13, 2016, 10:25:04 PM »
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OK.. Can I ask.. What fish is in your photo littlefish?

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Re: Apache's Breeding tank: progress and updates: tank set up
« Reply #70 on: March 13, 2016, 10:48:09 PM »
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If you cannot or will not afford Ammonia, why not use fish-food and allow it to rot in the tank and use that as your source of Ammonia.

Surely that would be more humane than to force healthy fish to swim in their own waste, just in order to ready the tank for others.

Fish-in cycling happens when you get bad advice from a fish shop, as I did and as happened with BlindDogStanley, but in 2016 with access to good advice there really is no excuse in choosing to undertake a fish-in cycle.

Fish-in cycling by choice is considered, rightly in my opinion, by many people as cruel.
I really couldn't ever condone it as a method of choice.

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Re: Apache's Breeding tank: progress and updates
« Reply #71 on: March 13, 2016, 11:27:18 PM »
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Following Extreme One's helpful comments, I would also really advise that you wait well beyond April before getting panda cories or otocincluses (otocincli?) into the tank. Sue has explained this very well in her earlier posting:
wait till the tank has been running a few months after it finishes cycling before getting the cories. Pandas are one of the more delicate species and it is better to wait until the biofilm, with all its micro-organisms, has established all over the tank tank and decor.

Fishkeeping is often a lot more expensive than anticipated at the outset, but it is the fishkeeper's responsibility to ensure the welfare of the fish, and being able to afford water testing kits, dechlorinator, fish medication, etc, and doing regular water changes, is all part of that. I certainly don't want to put you off, but if you're struggling to afford the ammonia now, then it might possibly be worth having a good think as to whether this "project" is something that might be best done in a few years' time and whether there is a more suitable alternative "project" for now.  :)

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Re: Apache's Breeding tank: progress and updates: tank set up
« Reply #72 on: March 14, 2016, 07:09:37 AM »
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The fish in my photo is one of my dwarf puffer fish. They are adorable. I currently have 6 in a 125L species only tank. I wouldn't recommend that you consider these fish, mainly because they require consistent, excellent water quality, are very messy eaters, and are prone to things like white spot. I have also spent a small fortune on things for the tank, silk plants, real plants, bogwood, granite caves etc. as they like lots of places to hide, they can be a bit territorial and they need a lot of things to keep them interested.

Unfortunately starting most interests/hobbies that require equipment are a bit expensive.

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Re: Apache's Breeding tank: progress and updates: tank set up
« Reply #73 on: March 14, 2016, 07:10:49 AM »
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 Thanks simon and fcfm
I will try to add in the fish food but to what amount each day. I know that catfish prefer a tank that has been cycled and introduced 1 month later in April. Thanks for the advice, I'm learning loads ;D

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Re: Apache's Breeding tank: progress and updates: tank set up
« Reply #74 on: March 14, 2016, 07:52:19 AM »
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I will try to add in the fish food but to what amount each day.

This is the problem with not using Ammonia and clearly demonstrates another reason why it's essential to be able to test for Ammonia (and later Nitrites).

Using a test kit will allow you to test the water after the food has began decomposing, and when you have a reading of 3ppm of Ammonia you know (roughly) how much food you would need to add next time.

However, as the food will take some time to break down it might be a few days before it's converted to Ammonia, and only then will you know if you'll need to add more or less next time.

This is a very imprecise way of doing it, hence why it's preferable to use Ammonia and a syringe. That way you know exactly how many millilitres of Ammonia to add each time to acheive the correct concentration.

And unless you have a test kit you'll never know at what stage you are in the cycle, and how will you know when the cycle is complete and it's safe to add fish.

Have you read the guide here?

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Re: Apache's Breeding tank: progress and updates: tank set up
« Reply #75 on: March 14, 2016, 07:58:44 AM »
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Yes I have.. I just don't have the money :-(

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Re: Apache's Breeding tank: progress and updates: tank set up
« Reply #76 on: March 14, 2016, 08:03:49 AM »
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Sue has told me that having too many kribs is bad as they will squabble. The pet shop won't take them so by using them in a fish in cycle would be ideal since it reduces the impact on the community tank and they produce more waste so there will be more bacteria.

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Re: Apache's Breeding tank: progress and updates: tank set up
« Reply #77 on: March 14, 2016, 08:26:33 AM »
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Personally, and don't take this the wrong way please - I'm simply sharing my opinion as you've asked for advice, I'd think having Kribs squabble would still be far preferable to having Kribs potentially suffering in a fish-in.

Having lost several Guppies in a fish-in has made me extremely squeamish about inflicting that on other fish.

In any case, even if you do decide to use the Kribs, you still need to test the water to monitor the cycle and inform you when to change water etc.

Why not leave the Kribs where they are for now, put the Endlers in the community and save some pocket money for a bottle of Ammonia and the Ammonia and Nitrite tests.

Then, when you have everything you need you can start the process correctly and safely.

No need to rush, Rome wasn't built in a day.

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Tiger Barb (1) - Cardinal Tetra (17) - Otocinclus (1) - Agassiz's Dwarf Cichlid (2) - Ornamental Snails (50) - Assassin Snail (2) -
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Re: Apache's Breeding tank: progress and updates: tank set up
« Reply #78 on: March 14, 2016, 11:55:37 AM »
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Otinoculus would be very sad and lonely if you only had 2 so please don't buy them as it would be unkind.

I think you need to ask your Dad for some help here, if he owns a tank himself, he must have a test kit. Why don't you offer to do the washing up everyday if he gets you use his test kit?

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Re: Apache's Breeding tank: progress and updates: tank set up
« Reply #79 on: March 14, 2016, 04:27:16 PM »
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He doesn't have a test kit because he kept fish when they didn't exist... Put 2/4 kribs in with soaked  bog wood and anubias Nana.

 


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