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stalled tank
« on: November 16, 2016, 07:48:40 PM »
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I am fishless cycling my 120ltr tank ,had seeded from my small tank and am 14 days in,i got the nitrite spike and then it droped to zero , ammonia also dropping to around 0.5 ppm,but now after adding ammonia it has not dropped in three days,so i am thinking it has stalled although ph steady at 8.2 and nitrates did get to around 80 ppm ,they are now at 20 ppm steady although i have not done a water change yet.so i am about to do a large water change now. Cant see why the nitrates would have dropped ,any advice please on this and if this is a normal sittuation

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Re: stalled tank
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2016, 08:48:51 PM »
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Bacteria don't always play by the rules. And nitrate is the most difficult one to measure accurately. Do you shake one of the bottles till your arm nearly falls off?

14 days in is quick for a nitrite spike. It took 28 days for anything to happen after the first dose when I did a fishless cycle earlier this year, then a further 25-ish days for the cycle to complete.

Are you using the API test kit? When nitrite is well off the top of the scale the colour sometimes goes purple immediately then changes to blue during the 5 min stand. Maybe try diluting 1 part tank water with 9 parts tap water and see if the nitrite reading is somewhere on the scale. It doesn't need to be a very accurate dilution as all it is intended for is too see if the nitrite is actually very high.

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Re: stalled tank
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2016, 10:06:05 PM »
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hear are the stats,seeded filter by washing filter in dirty filter water from small tank and pored the rest into large tank ,then doesed with 3.75 ml ammonia on day 0.   x =didnt test
 1- x
2- x
3-  a 3pp/m    n 4pp/m
4- x
5- x
6-  a  0.25ppm  n 4ppm add3.75ml
7- x
8-  a  0. 5pp/m  n 0.5pp/m
9-  a 0.15ppm   n 0ppm add 3.75ml
10-  a 1 ppm        n 2ppm
11-  a 0.25 ppm  n 0 ppm add3.75ml
12-  a 1.5 ppm    n 0.5ppm
13-  a 0.5 ppm   n 0 ppm  add 3.75 ml
14-  a 3ppm        n 0ppm  nitrates 20
15-  a 3ppm         n 0ppm
16   a 3ppm         n0ppm       nitrates 20

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Re: stalled tank
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2016, 08:45:55 AM »
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The seeding is why the cycle has started much faster than mine. I posted last evening just before I turned my laptop off for the night and was in a hurry.

I assume we are talking about cycling the 125 litre tank? I think I'd be inclined to do a water change, as big as you can manage, then test for ammonia half an hour after the new water goes in. Add enough ammonia to take it up to 3 ppm then take it from there, starting at the beginning again.

One thing we can say, it is not because you don't have enough KH. Unless your tap water is very strange, hard alkaline water should have plenty carbonate.

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Re: stalled tank
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2016, 07:34:27 AM »
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yes this is the 125 ltr tank.
Did a 80% water change,  redosed next morning with 3.75ml ammonia giving 3ppm,tested 24 hr later ammonia 3ppm nitrite 0 ppm nitrate 20 ppm same as tap water.
looks like i have gone back to square one and have to start over. Do not know what happened everything was progressing and i hadnt done anything to tank that i can remember.

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Re: stalled tank
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2016, 09:30:42 AM »
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That does sound odd. Though it is possible the earlier readings were the odd ones  ???

The tank you had the filter squeezings from, can you take some media from that tank? Media holds more bacteria than squeezings.

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Re: stalled tank
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2016, 03:26:09 PM »
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think i agree, its the earlier readings seem strange i was surprised at the time, three days in and high nitrites??
As far as taking media from the other tank, i did not really want to do that as just got that tank going, so ill just start over

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Re: stalled tank
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2016, 10:02:28 AM »
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have had a think now and i did put all the artificial plant and ornaments in,i washed these in tap water before putting in .should i have washed them in dechlorinated water ? I also had the filter off for a few hours while getting plants in but cant see that was a problem, So just a re cap, have now done an 80% water change with dechlorinated water and tested next morning , amonnia zero, nitrite zero ,nitrates 20 ,ph 8.2. I then dosed with 3.75 ml ammonia to give 3ppm,have now tested three days later and ammonia 3ppm nitrite zero.so hopefully this is back on track but just a bit miffed i have lost over two weeks .can anyone tell me how long before i should see ammonia dropping ? I have read about people being stuck at this point with ammonia stuck at 3ppm

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Re: stalled tank
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2016, 10:24:54 AM »
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The amount of chlorine in the tiny amount of water on the plants should not have done any damage. If you had emptied a bucket of undechlorinated water in with the plants, that might have done some harm.
Leaving the filter off is not a problem, as you know. Letting the media get totally dry is the thing that kills bacteria. And I mean totally dry not slightly damp, they survive in slightly damp.


It took 28 days to see a drop in ammonia when I cycled a sponge filter for my betta's tank.

I have read a comment by an American saying that cycles seem to take longer in the UK than the USA. All he can think of is that UK water companies are better at killing bacteria in the water supply as that is the source of the bacteria we want.

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Re: stalled tank
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2016, 10:35:53 AM »
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ok thanks sue i shall wait it out and follow the three day testing program till i get a drop

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