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Offline Marcus_F

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Re: Square or Rectangle
« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2019, 12:53:07 PM »
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Thanks Sue, that's interesting to know, I'll keep an eye on the initial readings.

Just hunting the internet for large driftwood pieces.  Come across Corbo Root, is that similar and ok for aquariums and attaching plants?


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Re: Square or Rectangle
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2019, 09:51:16 AM »
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Combo root is similar to driftwood, just more 'rooty' in appearance and is safe and will allow you to attach plants.

Take a look at corydoras and see if you think you might like to keep a bottom dweller such as this, because caribsea ecocomplete is not really suitable for them, they need much softer substrates such as sand to dig around in else their barbell get damaged and easily infected.  If they are not one your interested in, then the substrate itself is a decent choice.

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Re: Square or Rectangle
« Reply #22 on: September 15, 2019, 11:08:39 AM »
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Thanks, going to be avoiding bottom dwellers.

Is the eco complete stuff like sand in that you leave it alone and don’t clean with the syohon or you do as if it were gravel?

Had issues with blue/green algae in small tank due sitting on the stagnant sand.

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Re: Square or Rectangle
« Reply #23 on: September 15, 2019, 11:49:09 AM »
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You can leave it alone in planted areas though it is sturdy enough to be vacuumed in non planted areas to keep on top of wastes too.

Been there with blue green algae... not easy to get rid of. The dark colour should help avoid this.

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Re: Square or Rectangle
« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2019, 04:22:13 PM »
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It's not often I meet someone with harder water than myself (17dH german), and you may find this article helpful
http://www.wetwebmedia.com/fwsubwebindex/fwhardness.htm

 :wave: having read a thread elsewhere I had looked up my hardness in my area and I'm afraid (though not a competition) I have water hardness of 18dH German. I have not researched what that means to me yet but I thought I'd wade into this thread as I'm new  8)

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Re: Square or Rectangle
« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2019, 04:33:26 PM »
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Hardness is the most important parameter when it comes to fish. Marine fish keepers don't have to worry about such things as they alter the water completely, but freshwater fish keepers do need to take it into account.
With hard water, the choice is either to keep hard water fish, or to mix the hard water with 'pure' water (reverse osmosis, distilled etc) to dilute the hardness to levels needed by soft water fish.

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Re: Square or Rectangle
« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2019, 04:45:34 PM »
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Every day is a school day! I have learnt more about my water and chemistry etc today than I ever have. Water is always been hard and I see it every day in my job in the form of limescale. my stepdad has RO Unit installed for his marine tank, I may have to consider mixing my tap water with RO to find the right mix and hardness when I have my group of fish selected.

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Re: Square or Rectangle
« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2019, 06:41:27 PM »
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I admit that I chose the fish I wanted, and altered my water with RO, rather than choose fish that are suitable for my hard water.  :-[
There are lots of fish suitable for hard water, and I do have some, but sometimes you fall for a fish and just have to have it.  ::)   ;D
My hard water also comes with high nitrates, so I also have a Pozzani nitrate filter which I use for the tap water.

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Re: Square or Rectangle
« Reply #28 on: September 16, 2019, 11:47:43 AM »
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With a cube tank, it's not exactly square and the distance between each corner is greater than the length of the tank.  The fish have an extra 20% swimming space from back left corner to front right corner but you still use the measurement from front right to front left as tank size fish require?

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Dwarf Rainbowfish (5) - Rosy Tetra (2) - Cardinal Tetra (10) - Cherry Barb (7) - Black Widow Tetra (4) - Pearl Danio (1) - Zebra Danio (3) - Otocinclus (2) - Penguin Tetra (4) - Dwarf Rainbowfish (4) - X-ray Tetra (4) - Penguin Tetra (4) - Black Widow Tetra (5) - Bloodfin Tetra (5) - Cherry Barb (5) - Golden Barb (5) - White Cloud Mountain Minnow (5) - Black Neon Tetra (5) - Otocinclus (6) - Dwarf Gourami (4) - Galaxy Rasbora (4) - Harlequin Rasbora (8) - Blue Tetra (5) - Cardinal Tetra (10) - Dwarf Rainbowfish (5) - Rosy Tetra (2) - Cherry Barb (8) - Bloodfin Tetra (6) - Harlequin Rasbora (8) - Penguin Tetra (5) -
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Re: Square or Rectangle
« Reply #29 on: September 16, 2019, 03:07:27 PM »
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Yes it is the side to side measurement that counts. Fish tend not to swim diagonally from corner to corner, but parallel to the front and back.

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Re: Square or Rectangle
« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2019, 04:35:11 PM »
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My tap water is ultra hard so I mix tap/RO water in a 50/50 ratio. This also has the added benefit of halving the nitrate content of the water. I change water on a daily basis (easier for me) to the equivalent of 50% of the tank volume a week.

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Re: Square or Rectangle
« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2019, 08:28:08 PM »
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My tap water is ultra hard so I mix tap/RO water in a 50/50 ratio. This also has the added benefit of halving the nitrate content of the water. I change water on a daily basis (easier for me) to the equivalent of 50% of the tank volume a week.


This reminded me of the calculator Colin B posted a whole back... just posting for interest purposes as I know you're having success with your current water change regime :) the numbers are surprising though!

https://forums.thinkfish.co.uk/fishtank-filtration-and-cycling/water-change-calculator/msg7466/#msg7466

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Re: Square or Rectangle
« Reply #32 on: September 17, 2019, 11:58:06 AM »
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Thanks all, getting there.

Decided on the Fluval 307 filter, read up on the JBL and Oase BioMaster and many reviews were talking about removing the media and using their own as it wasn't that great.  Not idea when you're spending that sort of money that you then need to change all the insides.

Will keep the heater separate for now so will be hidden in the tank, will need to work out location.

Do plants from Tropica come treated for snails so I can add straight to the tank?

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Dwarf Rainbowfish (5) - Rosy Tetra (2) - Cardinal Tetra (10) - Cherry Barb (7) - Black Widow Tetra (4) - Pearl Danio (1) - Zebra Danio (3) - Otocinclus (2) - Penguin Tetra (4) - Dwarf Rainbowfish (4) - X-ray Tetra (4) - Penguin Tetra (4) - Black Widow Tetra (5) - Bloodfin Tetra (5) - Cherry Barb (5) - Golden Barb (5) - White Cloud Mountain Minnow (5) - Black Neon Tetra (5) - Otocinclus (6) - Dwarf Gourami (4) - Galaxy Rasbora (4) - Harlequin Rasbora (8) - Blue Tetra (5) - Cardinal Tetra (10) - Dwarf Rainbowfish (5) - Rosy Tetra (2) - Cherry Barb (8) - Bloodfin Tetra (6) - Harlequin Rasbora (8) - Penguin Tetra (5) -
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Re: Square or Rectangle
« Reply #33 on: September 17, 2019, 04:41:59 PM »
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Do plants from Tropica come treated for snails so I can add straight to the tank?
I think few, if any, plants come treated for snails these days.  What I have found, though, is that a 20-minute dip in aquarium salts*, followed by very thorough rinsing afterwards (esp if you have any ornamental snails), tends to vastly reduce the likelihood of any snails appearing in due course.
[*take sufficient aquarium water from the tank to cover the plants in a container, even if they're just lying on their sides in it, then add aquarium salts to the container]

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Re: Square or Rectangle
« Reply #34 on: September 17, 2019, 04:57:39 PM »
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It's imported plants from outside the EU that have to be treated with snail killer. Tropica is a Danish company so if it grows its own plants, they don't need to be treated. It's sellers on Ebay you have to be careful with.




Several years ago a species of apple snail was found in a river in Spain. So the EU banned the import and spreading of all species of apple snail (and strictly speaking, that means if you owned apple snails before the ban, all the eggs had to be destroyed and it is illegal to sell apple snails bred in your own tank). They were also going to ban all plants from countries where apple snails live, but they relented and changed it to all plants from countries where apple snails live must be treated with snail killer. This is so that no apple snail is accidentally introduced into the EU.

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Re: Square or Rectangle
« Reply #35 on: September 17, 2019, 04:58:51 PM »
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@Marcus_F I have 2 JBL filters e150x series. I must admit I have never had any problems with the media supplied with the filters. These are pushing 1400 l/h and consume about 20 Watts. I have recently removed a Fluval 306 from my tank. That was also good.

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Re: Square or Rectangle
« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2019, 07:34:56 PM »
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Regarding snails on plants... unfortunately i do have to recommend either a) undertaking dips to treat for snails if you get your plants from a shop tank there are a few methods such as the one fcmf uses. Regardless of the quality or source of the plants in question, more often than not, shop tanks have acquired snails over time (customers exchanging their spare plants/trimmings for store credit being one source), and/or b) being very careful with the plants you buy. I cannot recommend Tropica enough here. There are a few growers that do tissue culture plants. Tropica's are the easiest to prepare for planting. These pots are a bit more expensive but contain loads of little tiny plantets that have been grown in lab conditions in a nutrient rich liquid so guarenteed to be snail free. Tropica also do blister packed plants available in Pets at Home. These are not technically guarenteed to be snail free but the chances are very strong they will be. They are growing emergent (out of water) in the packs and therefore often more healthy plants that the ones the shops bring in in bulk. They are also not underwater any any point before they reach you so snails have no chance to lay eggs in anything other than the pot, seeing as you will be removing the pot... there is very little chance indeed of introducing snails.

Final note... if you go for tissue culture plants OR a lots of crypt species (regardless of type, as they commonly 'melt' as they adapt to growing in your tank) get some fast growing 'supporting plants' to see you through the first couple of months as these will suck up any excess nutrients and limit the algae common in new set ups.

Hope that helps! (I'm not sponsored by Tropica by the way... just a genuine recommendation here...)

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Re: Square or Rectangle
« Reply #37 on: September 19, 2019, 01:06:24 PM »
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Thanks, going Tropica route even before you mentioned it.  I like their website, design inspiration etc.

Just need to work out how many plants I need.  Is it worth going all out at the start as it's easier to plant when tank is empty (or shallow) or what when you have had a chance to see growth and work out bare areas but then knowing you'll need to plant within a full tank with fish.

I guess it could look fairly crap on day 1 with tiny little buds of plants and not looking like the fully grown tanks you see on Pinterest :)

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Re: Square or Rectangle
« Reply #38 on: September 19, 2019, 05:10:09 PM »
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I plant a tank with the maximum number of plants at startup. It’s easier that way and the plants are beneficial in cycling the tank. Tropica have some brilliant planting ideas on their web site. It’s worth having a look at those for inspiration. They also give you an idea of a plants requirements, if they require CO2 etc.

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Re: Square or Rectangle
« Reply #39 on: September 23, 2019, 05:04:08 PM »
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I'm deciding now whether it would be best to make the wooden root with plants central to the tank as in same distance from all four sides, or central only width ways and push it all to the background.  Would not be a lot of difference, the root is around 30cm deep and the tank is 50cm deep.

Thinking though that planting positions might be easier to work out if the subject matter was towards the back.  Could be beyond my amateur capabilities to try make the perfect central feature.

A Selection of Fish in my Fish Community Creator Tanks
Dwarf Rainbowfish (5) - Rosy Tetra (2) - Cardinal Tetra (10) - Cherry Barb (7) - Black Widow Tetra (4) - Pearl Danio (1) - Zebra Danio (3) - Otocinclus (2) - Penguin Tetra (4) - Dwarf Rainbowfish (4) - X-ray Tetra (4) - Penguin Tetra (4) - Black Widow Tetra (5) - Bloodfin Tetra (5) - Cherry Barb (5) - Golden Barb (5) - White Cloud Mountain Minnow (5) - Black Neon Tetra (5) - Otocinclus (6) - Dwarf Gourami (4) - Galaxy Rasbora (4) - Harlequin Rasbora (8) - Blue Tetra (5) - Cardinal Tetra (10) - Dwarf Rainbowfish (5) - Rosy Tetra (2) - Cherry Barb (8) - Bloodfin Tetra (6) - Harlequin Rasbora (8) - Penguin Tetra (5) -
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