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Re: some questions
« Reply #80 on: October 10, 2013, 11:47:59 PM »
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tank done wood in things moved around, just wanna know anyones advice whether its ok for the fish as they like hiding spots, there was 2 plants i didnt put in as i felt it was over crowded and would hide my wood and decor, if there is plants that have a long stem and open up high i would get them but other than that i wont be getting plants the same style as i already have in the tank now, the 2 plants i left out i felt were hiding my decor and wood not completely but i wanna be able to actually see my fish and decor in the tank but will look at investing in other plants like i explained above in the future maybe,

i will be also getting my white spot med tomorrow, after my tank was done moving stuff around etc one of the rams was rubbing on the gravel  :-\


anyway first picture was what my tank looked like before tonight and obviously the 2nd picture will be what my tank looks like now



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Re: some questions
« Reply #81 on: October 11, 2013, 08:33:07 AM »
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It is fine to move things round or take old things out and put new things in. The fish will find somewhere to go. The important thing is having something. So long as there is somehwere to run and hide if a predator shows up, they'll be happy. They don't know there's no predator in your tank.
Moving things round is common with some fish when you put new fish in. It destroys the old territorial boundaries and makes them set up new ones including the new fish.

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Re: some questions
« Reply #82 on: October 11, 2013, 03:39:01 PM »
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thanks, just got some white spot med i asked which was the best and they said protozin by waterlife so got that, it says what fish i cant have in the tank which i dont have and that i cant have snails or shrimp in tank now i have taken 4 snails out and have them in a tub as you know but the shrimp could die i guess so instead of me catching the shrimp which will take ages and stressing the fish out and moving my newly wood and decor in tank i think i will just take them out when they die, i dont think i will get any more shrimp as it will always be a problem when i put in meds in future and i will be starting to put that general tonic med in after all this med has cleared up in a week or so but will ask first when its ok to start that, now i know what ml to put in which is still 10 but if 10 is gonna kill the shrimp shall i just put the full dose required in? on the fin rot bottle i dont think it mentions what fish isnt allowed in tank while this medicine is in and doesnt say anything about snails and shrimps but i may be wrong, so shall i keep it at 10 or if thats gonna kill the fish then shall i put the full dose in for the fish but what is the full dose please?

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edit - this says allowed atleast 48 hours to elapse when changing treatment and do not use within 4 days of using myxazin ???


oh another thing i noticed was one of the glow lights have redness at the start of its pectoral fin what is this ?

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Re: some questions
« Reply #83 on: October 11, 2013, 04:45:11 PM »
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I just looked at my bottle or protozin (there's only a bit left) and it does say about the 4 days. The leaflet which says 24 hours is quite old so they must have changed the formula on one of the a bit. It looks like you'll have to wait a bit before adding the protozin.


Keep an eye on that glowlight. Red at the base of the fin could be septicaemia. If it gets no worse, that's fine.

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Re: some questions
« Reply #84 on: October 11, 2013, 06:05:49 PM »
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omg things just dont get better, how do i tell if its gets worse? does it grow onto the body or something? i havent put med in since wednesday so i need to use the medicine on monday ?

not had any look at all from this tank that i bought of a chinese man i bought it for £150 with cabinet 4 parrots common plec and some big eyed shark, i need a new tank that is actually brand new i think and not been used by someone before, but that will have to wait as i need other things to buy, sighhhhh

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Re: some questions
« Reply #85 on: October 11, 2013, 06:47:01 PM »
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If you put the mxyazin last on Wed, you can add the protozin on Sunday.

It may be nothing with the glowlight, if it is septicaemia, the red will get bigger.

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Re: some questions
« Reply #86 on: October 12, 2013, 07:23:14 PM »
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ok thanks, its quite hard to notice any white dots on the fish now but obviously there is parasites there so obviously this white spot and fungus med will get rid of them, thing theres one on the side of the rummy and now one of the rams pectoral fin,


it looks like the male ram the most aggressive one is now trying to bully the other ram these 2 were actually the pair, hopefully it wont be as bad as the other bullying that happened to the other rams i had to get rid of, he is the very first ram i ever got with another with it and he has bullied most of the rams  i have had i will either take both back or take him back and get another male ram if i can, which will be a real shame i dont wanna take him out of his home which he has been for years now, but he better start behaving lol, could take them both back if anything bad happens and get apistos or the other kinds possibly, see how things go,

when i add the meds tomorrow what ml do i need to put in please?

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Re: some questions
« Reply #87 on: October 12, 2013, 08:01:43 PM »
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Not really any help, but your tanks looks loads better from the second picture....  :D

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Re: some questions
« Reply #88 on: October 12, 2013, 09:06:24 PM »
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As for the med - I think we worked out you had about 180 litres of water didn't we? My bottle of Protozin has a chart that goes up to 4ml for 60 litres so you'd need 12ml for 180 litres. And you'd add that amount on Sunday (day 1) Monday (day 2) Tuesday (day3) and Friday (day 6) My bottle says to add the dose on days 1, 2, 3 and 6 and the day you start is always day 1.



I think my bottle should be thrown away. It expired in Dec 2012!

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Re: some questions
« Reply #89 on: October 13, 2013, 01:49:43 AM »
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Not really any help, but your tanks looks loads better from the second picture....  :D
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Re: some questions
« Reply #90 on: October 13, 2013, 01:51:05 AM »
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As for the med - I think we worked out you had about 180 litres of water didn't we? My bottle of Protozin has a chart that goes up to 4ml for 60 litres so you'd need 12ml for 180 litres. And you'd add that amount on Sunday (day 1) Monday (day 2) Tuesday (day3) and Friday (day 6) My bottle says to add the dose on days 1, 2, 3 and 6 and the day you start is always day 1.



I think my bottle should be thrown away. It expired in Dec 2012!

oh didnt really look at the bottle much just a quick glance as i had to wait a few days but will look more closely tomorrow/later but how come you have to miss 2 days out ?

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Re: some questions
« Reply #91 on: October 13, 2013, 09:30:37 AM »
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As for the med - I think we worked out you had about 180 litres of water didn't we? My bottle of Protozin has a chart that goes up to 4ml for 60 litres so you'd need 12ml for 180 litres. And you'd add that amount on Sunday (day 1) Monday (day 2) Tuesday (day3) and Friday (day 6) My bottle says to add the dose on days 1, 2, 3 and 6 and the day you start is always day 1.



I think my bottle should be thrown away. It expired in Dec 2012!


oh didnt really look at the bottle much just a quick glance as i had to wait a few days but will look more closely tomorrow/later but how come you have to miss 2 days out ?

Its to do with the cycle of the parasite

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Re: some questions
« Reply #92 on: October 14, 2013, 04:41:32 PM »
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Thanks, looks like I need to take one or both rams back as my very first one who has always been aggressive is now bullying the other ram now, these were actually a pair dunno whether to swap him for another male or take the 2 back and get similar kind of fish to them but saying that I don't think I would like to not have rams in my tank because I have had them for a long time now

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Re: some questions
« Reply #93 on: October 14, 2013, 04:55:01 PM »
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You need to wait until you are sure there is no whitespot in your tank as you could pass it to the shop's tanks.

It could be that the male is getting fed up with the female for not laying eggs - I  think you said they were hanging out together but not spawning? Though bolivian rams are still cichlids; it could be his way of getting the female full of eggs. With a lot of cichlids it's the male chasing the female which causes her ovaries to fill with eggs. You will have to wait before it is possible to rehome any fish, see if their behaviour changes in the next few days.

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Re: some questions
« Reply #94 on: October 15, 2013, 05:04:56 AM »
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ok thanks

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Re: some questions
« Reply #95 on: October 15, 2013, 04:18:58 PM »
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I only put 6ml in my tank yesterday Only just noticed and remembered because I put 2 6mls in Sunday and now today dunno why I forgot am I best addin them up or just leavin it ? Saying that I put 2 cap dulls just slightly over the 6ml mark so that should of made up an extra ml maybe

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Re: some questions
« Reply #96 on: October 15, 2013, 04:38:48 PM »
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Have you added today's dose (Tues is day 3) yet? If you have, just leave it at that (if you've already put in just 6ml today, add another 6 now). But if you haven't done today's dose yet, just add today's 12ml. Don't add any extra for yesterday or you'll add too much today.

How have the shrimp coped so far?

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Re: some questions
« Reply #97 on: October 15, 2013, 08:31:01 PM »
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I put 12 ml in today which is right isn't it ? Just yesterday I forgot and just put in 6ml, I need to wait till Friday now but what then happens after Friday and so on ? Well the shrimp seem ok for now atleast one looks a bit brown even one of my rummys look yellow

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Re: some questions
« Reply #98 on: October 15, 2013, 08:49:56 PM »
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12 ml today is right. And yes the next dose is Friday. Then wait and see if the spots come back. Occassionally they do. It happened to me once. If they do, start another course adding 12ml on day 1, day 2, day 3 and day 6 like this time.


Some meds colour the water and make the fish look a bit funny coloured. I wouldn't worry about it.

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Re: some questions
« Reply #99 on: October 16, 2013, 01:32:24 AM »
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Thanks could be the wood in tank too, there is still white spot on fish but I guess it's early days but I thought the medicine might of done something by now as these are new spots and one is bigger than the others I saw

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