Should I Do A Water Change?

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Should I do a water change?
« on: January 27, 2014, 09:39:47 PM »
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Hi all,
I am completely new to fish keeping and have just begun cycling my new tank and am 7 days in now but my Mopani wood has released so much Tannins that you can't see a single thing unless the tank light is on!!!

Common sense tells me that doing a water change now will interfere with the cycling process but when I put any fish in I won't able to see them!!

My tank is small (30 litres) and has artificial plants, Mopani  wood, granite and gravel as decor. It is heated to 26°C  and has an internal filter which does have carbon filters in. My ph was 7.5 when I tested a couple of days ago.

What are your suggestions?  Should I take the wood out and continue to soak it else where ( I soaked it for a week before putting it in the tank) or do I start again?


Thanks for your time folks,

FC

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Re: Should I do a water change?
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2014, 10:49:17 PM »
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You don't really need to see anything yet. There's no fish and no real plants to monitor. I would leave it alone.  The carbon in your filter will clear the tannins and the wood will release fewer and fewer as time goes on.  In addition, the last step in the cycling of your tank will involve a massive water change and this should clear up the residual coloration.

If it's really driving you to distraction, you can do a change if you wish; Just ensure that you top off the levels of ammonia in your tank after.

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Re: Should I do a water change?
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2014, 08:14:21 AM »
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I think I would take the wood out for now and soak it in a bucket just so the water doesn't get any browner during the cycle - and just to check, are you doing a fishless cycle by adding ammonia?
The carbon will indeed remove tanins, that is one of its main functions. But with a lot of tanins and not much carbon, it could get full. Can I ask, is there anything else in the filter besides carbon? It's just that a lot of filters for small tanks have only cartridges that are a fluffy bag with carbon inside. While the bag is fine as a home for bacteria, carbon is not very good for that and there is usually a lot more carbon than bag. If there is sponge as well, good. If not, now might be the time to tinker with your filter media before you get too far into the cycle.

The filter bacteria grow faster in warmer water. It would speed things up if you turn the heater up to get around 30 C (check with a thermometer) then turn it back down when the cycle has finished, before you get fish.

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Re: Should I do a water change?
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2014, 09:01:17 AM »
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Hi,

Thanks for the advice.

In answer to your questions Sue, I am doing a fishless cycle and my filter is an Interpet PF mini and has three sponges (two plain filter foams and a carbon foam).  I am using the Interpet New Aquarium start up kit and have so far treated the water for chlorine etc and am adding a product called Filter Start, which adds the good bacteria every other day.

If I remove the wood and continue to soak it elsewhere, will it upset my water balances when I put it back in because it will not be soaked in treated water?

I know at this stage it doesn't particularly matter what I do as there are no fish in there and I wont add them until the tank is ready but I would like the process not to take too much longer than needed!!!!

Thanks,

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Re: Should I do a water change?
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2014, 11:25:19 AM »
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Just to warn you that the filter start will probably not do much. The only ones known to help sometimes are Dr Tim's One & Only (but that's hard to get in the UK) and Tetra Safe Start, and they only work if they've been handled properly. All the others contain the wrong species of nitrite eaters.
Are you adding ammonia as well?

Your sponges will be the main home for the bacteria once they've grown. There will also be some in the carbon sponge. You can leave that there permanently though it will stop adsorbing things fairly quickly as it gets full. You can replace the carbon sponge, though you will also remove the bacteria on the old one, or leave it there even though it's stopped adsorbing things, or replace it with plain sponge. If you want to get rid of tanins on a long term basis, it will need replacing frequently.

If you take the wood out now and pour very hot water over it a few times, leaving it to soak between, that will get rid of a lot of the tanins. Then if you put it back shortly before the cycle finishes, it will have time to affect the water before you get fish. It won't change things that much.





As a side issue for anyone who is interested, regarding bacterial starters -
When these products first came on the market, it was thought that the ammonia eaters were Nitrosomonas species and the nitrite eaters were Nitrobacter species. Then Dr Tim Hovanec, working for Marineland, did some research into these bacteria. He found that the ammonia eaters were indeed Nitrosomonas, but he discovered that in aquariums the nitrite eaters were not Nitrobacter but Nitrospira species. Marineland and Dr Hovanec patented Nitrospira (or formulations containing Nitrospira) which prevented other companies using the correct nitrite eating bacteria in their products.
Dr Hovanec left Marineland and set up his own company - because he is named on the patent he can use the correct bacteria in Dr Tim's One & Only. Marineland was taken over by Tetra, so Tetra can use the correct species in Safe Start. No other company is allowed by patent law to use Nitrospira. They can use the correct ammonia eating bacteria, so that stage of the cycle can be speeded up by using one of the other brands, but with the wrong species of nitrite eaters, the second stage is not speeded up at all.

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