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Offline Ally2

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Pump issues
« on: July 10, 2016, 11:42:20 PM »
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Hi
I have a Aqua nano 30 , 22 litres tank . I've had it for 6 weeks now but my main concern is the pump . It produces ripples and not bubbles. Last week it became very noisy and started to make bubbles . The Venturi pipe amplified the noise sucking air through. I took the pump apart and cleaned it with cotton buds and put it back in and it was quiet again. But now producing ripples again but not bubbles. Is this ok to just have ripples ? Is it getting air in to the fish ? I have a betta , and two pigmy Corey's , and two snails . The flow is still quite strong even though it's on the lowest setting . I would like it less for the betta if possible. The design of the tank doesn't allow me to move the pump as it has to align with the hole for the tube to feed through into the tank. All the equipment is in a consealed compartment at the back . Everything else seems to be ok . I did a fish less cycle before I added any fish, and had the water nitrate levels tested . The bettas been in there 2 weeks now.
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Re: Pump issues
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2016, 05:21:51 AM »
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It's an old school rule of thumb that you need air bubbles to oxygenate the water and remove CO2... This isn't the case. Water swaps CO2 for O2 at the surface. So long as you have water movement, which you definitely have as you have ripples, you will be circulating the gases sufficiently for your relatively small tank. You needn't worry.

One sure fire way to tell is the fish themselves. They will "gulp" at the water surface if they aren't getting enough O2 as this is where the oxygen rich water is.

Well done on doing the fishless cycle before adding fish!  ;)

Just curious, did you use water test strips or liquid tester bottles?

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Re: Pump issues
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2016, 07:46:26 AM »
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Hello Ally2, and welcome to the forum.

I have an Aquanano cube 40 so I know the set-up you have. It's very difficult to reduce the flow of those pumps as even the minimum setting is quite strong - and the maximum setting is like Waikiki beach with the surf up! The best method I've found was to get some filter sponge and cut a small piece out, squash it down and put it in the pump outlet tube. A fair bit of trial and error is needed to get a piece that's small enough to let water out but big enough not to get spat across the tank.

Plan B would be to rig up a spray bar type thing that you can either push in to the pump or attach to the nozzle thing.

Keep a close eye on your water parameters after making any pump changes just to make sure the filter's doing its job properly.

Your Betta doesn't need a huge amount of filtration, so as long as there's some flow through the filter then he'll be fine. Could I suggest upping the number of pygmy cories, they are a shoaling species and would apprciate being in a group of 6 or more.

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Re: Pump issues
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2016, 10:39:55 AM »
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Hi Paddy
I used the dropper bottles to test for nitrate , but also took a sample I to the fish shop before I put any fish in . It was high when I first took it in , and they told me to do 20 percent water changes every other day which I did and it worked ! I had read about fish hanging around the outlet if the water wasn't producing enough oxygen , which they don't do , the trouble is the betta gulps air from the top occasionally as he's a betta ! And I only added Corey's yesterday .
As for the sponge to put over the outlet of the pump , is it a special sponge and where can I get it from ?
I was hoping to get 5 tetras later on which is why I didn't get two many Corey's but not sure my tank is too small for tetras .  :-[

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Re: Pump issues
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2016, 10:45:27 AM »
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Sorry I meant what testing method did you use during the fishless cycle so that you knew it was cycled properly?

If you give us the dimensions of your tank we can offer advice on what fish could go in the tank with the corys and Betta. However you should expect to be very restricted due to the fact it's a Betta that is vulnerable to any sort of nippy fish and also due to being quite a wee tank... But there is always something you can do with it  :)

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Re: Pump issues
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2016, 10:52:27 AM »
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Nope - not a special sponge at all. I used a bit of black aquarium filter sponge I had lying around. (So I suppose; yes - it's a special sponge in that it's not a kitchen or car wash one.)

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Re: Pump issues
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2016, 11:24:05 AM »
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The Aqua nano 30 is a 30 cm cube. And the volume is 22 litres but I don't know if that volume includes the space taken by the filter.

The tank is too small for any fish except the so called micro-fish, which would be eaten by a betta; or at least he would attempt to eat them which would stress the tiny fish so much they'd probably die.
It is also too small for a shoal of pygmy cories. As they do need to be in a shoal, I'd see if the shop will take them back. They are also not good tank mates for bettas as the cories need a temperature range of 22 to 26 deg C while bettas need 26 to 27.
If you don't have problems with the thoughts of snails, nerite snails are good betta tank mates, just one of the larger species or maybe two of the smaller ones in this sized tank. The advantage with just one is that you wouldn't get eggs laid everywhere.

I have a 26 litre tank with one male betta and a nerite snail  :)



Paddy is asking how you cycled the tank. A lot of people believe that letting the tank run empty for a couple is weeks is cycling - it isn't. Fishless cycling is adding ammonia to the tank before getting fish, and it takes at least four weeks. When I cycled a tank earlier this year it took 7 weeks.

You need to test for ammonia and nitrite as well as nitrate; they are more important. Any reading for ammonia and nitrite above zero is bad while nitrate can go to 40ppm plus without harming the fish.

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Re: Pump issues
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2016, 04:25:38 PM »
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When I bought the tank I was told by the aquarium assistants that I could have no more than 8 fish in my tank. My plan was one betta, two corys , five small neon tetras. Which would take me to 8 . I've since read tetras need a long tank so I've not bought these as yet . As for the corys I wish the shop would have told me I should have more as they are shoal fish . Anyway it's is a 30cm cube so I'm assuming it's 30x30 x30 if that makes sense .
It's strange because I know bettas are aggressive fish but he's not bothered by the Corys so far . The tank has lots of hiding places for them . I am just finding out that he may be vulnerable to fin nippers such as tetras so there is lots to think about . I've been to,d so many conflicting views from books, to shops to the Internet it's hard to know what to do . I'm going to check the temperature of the tank to suit both because I'm sure I read the tank for bettas can go up to 28 ! But will check this . I need to look at getting a sponge , but would like to know how to cover the outlet as I had read covering this could make the pump overheat ! Any photos of how you did it would be helpful
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Re: Pump issues
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2016, 04:54:49 PM »
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Earlier this year I asked an aquatics vendor how many *goldfish* I could put in a 70 litre 60cm tank. He said I could get away with four...

Then I discovered this forum.

I don't ask LFS anymore :p (Unless they are private specialists.)

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Re: Pump issues
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2016, 05:17:53 PM »
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The first rule of fishkeeping is don't believe the shop. Yes, there are shops you can trust but there are a lot more that either don't know or don't care and just want your money. Always research for yourself.

The 'this tank will hold 8 fish' statement is a good example. 8 chili rasboras, yes. 8 swordtails, no. You can't go by the number of fish, you need to go by the body mass of the fish. 8 chili rasboras have less body mass than 1 swordtail. Some shops will say anything.

Sorry, rant over.

Bettas usually have problems with brightly coloured fish that swim mid level as bettas mistake these for other male bettas. Pygmy cories are monochrome fish that swim in the lower part of the tank, so from that point they are good tankmates. The main problem is the different temperature requirements.

Bettas are solitary fish, they prefer not having any other fish in the tank. It's us that like more fish. If you can be happy with just the betta, he'd be happier like that.


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Re: Pump issues
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2016, 07:46:53 PM »
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Hi
In terms of the 8 fish I thought that picking the Pygmy Corey's and tetras were small enough for my tank, and were also not going to grow bigger . I will do more research on all aspects including the water temperature .
Thanks everyone for your comments .
I will look for the sponge as I'd like to reduce flow a bit for the betta .
Ally

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Re: Pump issues
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2016, 07:54:05 PM »
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A good site for research is Seriously Fish. Another site is FishBase - this one is written by scientists so it doesn't have much on how to keep them but it does give water requirements.

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Re: Pump issues
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2016, 08:18:36 PM »
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Hi Ally and welcome to the forum :wave:,

I know it can all seem a bit conflicting with shops / marketing pictures on tanks seemingly saying one thing and then a whole range of info on the internet of varying quality saying different things. However, Fishbase and Seriously Fish (cited by Sue) are good quality international resources, so much so that in some countries (eg Germany, Switzerland), there is legislation in place based on that and which makes it illegal for shopkeepers to sell or market tanks under a certain size for fishkeeping at all or to sell tanks under a certain size for certain fish or to sell fish unsuitable for the tank size. I've also heard anecdotally that fish aren't sold in these countries until a full fishless cycle has been done. In the UK, legislatively, the onus is on the pet-owner to do the research and make responsible choices. Hope that's helpful context.

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