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Plants for aquarium
« on: June 13, 2014, 08:56:00 AM »
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Morning everyone

Well my aquanano is now cycled and the filter/pump arrangement is now sorted out, thanks to some sterling advice from Col.

I now have my first resident - a male honey gourami, name of Odin (what can I say, the kids named him!).
Having been new to this whole thing, I put plastic plants in to start with; however, now I'm enviously eyeing some beautiful aquascapes online and have decided that I'd like some live plants as well. I only have gravel in my tank, so can't plant into it.
So my questions are:
Could I get some plants that have been grown on wood/stone and add these?
What would be the best types to get?
Is the lighting that comes with the aquanano sufficient for the plants to thrive?
Would a timer be useful so that I could ensure the lights were on for the right amount of time each day?

I realise that my options are limited by the size of this tank, but want to have the perfect setup if I can.

Would be very grateful for any advice

Diz1

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Re: Plants for aquarium
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2014, 10:09:21 AM »
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Morning everyone

Well my aquanano is now cycled and the filter/pump arrangement is now sorted out, thanks to some sterling advice from Col.

I now have my first resident - a male honey gourami, name of Odin (what can I say, the kids named him!).
Having been new to this whole thing, I put plastic plants in to start with; however, now I'm enviously eyeing some beautiful aquascapes online and have decided that I'd like some live plants as well. I only have gravel in my tank, so can't plant into it.
So my questions are:
Could I get some plants that have been grown on wood/stone and add these?
What would be the best types to get?
Is the lighting that comes with the aquanano sufficient for the plants to thrive?
Would a timer be useful so that I could ensure the lights were on for the right amount of time each day?

I realise that my options are limited by the size of this tank, but want to have the perfect setup if I can.

Would be very grateful for any advice

Diz1

Mornin' Diz1.... too kind, too kind. :))

I realise that my options are limited by the size of this tank, but want to have the perfect setup if I can. No such thing as the 'perfect' set-up. If you're happy and the fish are happy..... that seems pretty perfect to me. Anyway, plants are very inconsiderate and keep growing, so if it's 'perfect' one week......

Is the lighting that comes with the aquanano sufficient for the plants to thrive? There are some plants that are better able to cope than others with low light. Cryptocorynes are one... and see below for two more. But, it's not a good light for rich plant growth. I've added extra. Ask if you'd like info.

Could I get some plants that have been grown on wood/stone and add these? Yes.
What would be the best types to get? Java fern and Anubias. They both grow well in low light tanks, too.

Would a timer be useful so that I could ensure the lights were on for the right amount of time each day? Yes. Eight hours a day works well. I was using 13 hours and had terrible algae problems, 8 hours cleared that up. Plants get 'full' after 6 or so hours anyway.

One question..... what grain-size is your gravel? Mine's about 1-2mm and is perfect for plant roots to wriggle through, water to percolate and fish poo to break down into to provide nutrients to the plants. I'm trying some plants in 8-10mm gravel at the mo', but it's far too early to tell the results as the experiment is only 3 days old.

This is a fantastic site about plants (Tropica) and if you click on the 'plants' tab at the top you're sent straigh to the 'easy' plant section. i.e. low light, low CO2.

Click on th 'inspiration' tab and you'll see aquascapes labelled with their easy(green) medium and difficult tags. Well worth a few cups of coffee browsing that.

Anyway - I'm off to get on with digging the patio!

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Re: Plants for aquarium
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2014, 10:50:45 AM »
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Just to add that I am a well known failure with plants but I can grow java fern and anubias quite well. I have it growing on every piece of decor where there was space to tie it on. I have also just got some hornwort which I'm allowing to wind through a piece of wood that has loads of branches.

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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2014, 11:41:38 AM »
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Thanks everyone!
Some great advice and ideas to be getting on with, though think I'll ditch the coffee idea Col and go straight to a couple of glasses of red wine tonight to make my browsing and choosing experience much nicer!
Once I've planted up and I can figure out how to attach photos, then I'll post a picture or two.

Thanks again, this is a great forum!

Diz1  :cheers:

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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2014, 12:17:00 PM »
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Thanks everyone!
Some great advice and ideas to be getting on with, though think I'll ditch the coffee idea Col and go straight to a couple of glasses of red wine tonight to make my browsing and choosing experience much nicer!
Once I've planted up and I can figure out how to attach photos, then I'll post a picture or two.

Thanks again, this is a great forum!

Diz1  :cheers:

Red wine..... you're going to fit right in here. Welcome to your new cyber-home! :))

You can add photos by either clicking on the 'Attachments and other options' link just below the window where you type in a post. There is a max of 2012KB for piccie, so you might have to re-size before posting.

Or.... if you have a picture hosting account like Picasa or Photobucket, you can post in the url of that piccie in the space provided by clicking on the Mona Lisa picture above the row of smilies.

A Selection of Fish in my Fish Community Creator Tanks
Panda Cory (7) - Honey Gourami (3) - Ember Tetra (9) - Lemon Tetra (4) - Cherry Barb (1) - Otocinclus (2) -
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Re: Plants for aquarium
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2014, 01:40:25 PM »
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Contrary to many opinions, my tanks are all heavily planted with only the "ordinary" lights, one or two T8 tubes, that came with the tanks. And every plant I've tried has thrived and grown strongly. Like "common" fish, the normal run of the mill plants can do well in a wide range of conditions. I think the substrate is much more important than the lighting, unless you specifically want to grow some of the difficult plants.

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« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2014, 02:49:34 PM »
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There are some really beautiful tanks on the internet aren't there? Have you looked at aquascaping on YouTube?
I have the same tank as you and have a few plants. I have soil and sand as substrates but I'm not going down the route of adding carbon or fertilizers daily. Not if I can get away with it. So far I have elodea, bacobia and something that may be fanwort or a similar plant. Oh and yesterday I bought java moss to tie to some twigs so we'll see how that gets on.
They all seem to be growing, with the possible exception of elodea, maybe too hot?
Which is good as I've no fish to contribute any carbon, or a timer, so no reliable schedule of light.
Must remember to get a timer as my next purchase!


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« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2014, 02:59:36 PM »
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Elodea is a cool water plant, thrives in the wild here, takes over many ponds.
Plants grow faster with fish, I think it's the carbon dioxide mainly.
The exception to my comment about plants being easy in normal lighting concerns red-leaved plants which tend to revert to green unless given strong light.
Aquascapers spend loads of time getting and keeping that "look", definitely something for the specialist. They also have very few fish, the plants are the thing in those tanks.

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« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2014, 03:00:25 PM »
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As I can only get 9W replacement bulbs for my 1st generation AquaNano40 (well, I'm not paying the silly money asked for the 13W ones - which weren't too bright anyway. I've not seen how bright the new LED equipped Cube40s are) I've added a double row of LEDs which hang off the glass cover.

They're these:



My Crypts suddenly lept into life and I even seem to be able to grow Vallis now - which I always failed at previously.

A Selection of Fish in my Fish Community Creator Tanks
Panda Cory (7) - Honey Gourami (3) - Ember Tetra (9) - Lemon Tetra (4) - Cherry Barb (1) - Otocinclus (2) -
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Re: Plants for aquarium
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2014, 04:28:06 PM »
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I like the sound of your other lights Col – might have a go with them as long as they're not too technical (technical not being my strong point, you may have realised)

Richard, I've been so impressed with the aquascaping I've seen on the internet. Haven't looked at YouTube yet, but will be indulging in a bit of 'window shopping' once I've got the wine uncorked!

I can see that this vague idea of mine – 'Why don't I get a few fish to brighten up my office' is threatening to turn into a bit of an obsession!   ;D

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« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2014, 04:54:08 PM »
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If you do consider aquascaping, then think very carefully. Most of the examples you see will be "high tech", with advanced lighting, carbon dioxide addition, lots of specific fertilisers - and lots of work, for ever! Some of these people literally trim their plants every day or so. A well-maintained aquascape can look great, but a neglected one would not only look ugly but would probably be a poor environment for fish. It's something for the dedicated enthusiast.
I can draw a parallel with gardening. Many people admire the white garden at Sissinghurst and try to do the same at home, then wonder why their effort looks a mess. What they don't understand is that to keep the Sissinghurst garden looking good for visitors, every morning a team of gardeners go out at 6 a.m. and cut off every dead and dying flower, and literally arrange and tie all of the plants into perfect position. Of course, most people have neither the time nor inclination to do this at home and hence their gardens are full of brown dead and collapsing flowers, as someone said "more like dirty washing than fresh white linen". Aquascaping is a bit like this, it needs constant attention to look good, a major commitment.
Incidentally, aquascaping is not intended to produce a natural-looking underwater scene, quite the opposite. The idea is to produce something that looks like a miniature landscape, with rolling hills, green fields etc., totally unrealistic.

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« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2014, 05:08:12 PM »
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Richard talks sense. You could adopt my approach. Plant plants you like..... if they die, throw them away and plant something else. Keep doing this until you have enough plants you like the look of and are also alive.

I do this in the garden too. If it's dead.... chuck it, plant something else.  8)

....more wine, please.

A Selection of Fish in my Fish Community Creator Tanks
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« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2014, 05:37:51 PM »
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 Richard and Col, thanks for the advice, I'll be going with the plant 'em and ditch 'em approach then - I'm getting worryingly obsessed with the fish, don't want to obsess over something else as well!
I'm going to get a couple of the easy plants mentioned earlier and see how it goes.

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« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2014, 07:15:34 PM »
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Hi, that's a good site Colin  :)   Lots of information and I like the fact the "easy" plants are easy to find.

However, can anyone tell me if the lighting in my biOrb is okay for plants?  You're all talking about "tubes" and I haven't got any tubes!  My biOrb has the "intelligent light" system and it's set so I get an hour of "sunrise", 12 hrs of light, an hour of "sunset" and then 10 hrs of "moonlight".  I can't plant anything in the biOrb's substrate but I've got a couple of plants (from PAH and I'm not convinced they actually ARE aquarium plants!), some hornwort that I thought was supposed to float, but instead just "lurks" round the bottom and some mini frogbit which is surviving - so far!  Am planning on getting some java fern tied to some wood.  Anything else that will be okay with my lights?

Thanks!

P.S.  I've just opened some wine to make sure I fit in with the rest of you  :cheers:

Liz

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