Planning Stock For Juwel Rio 180

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Planning stock for Juwel Rio 180
« on: July 26, 2014, 08:04:21 AM »
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Morning all!
Hope everyone's surviving the heat somehow!
My new tank is doing well so far and I'm busy planning eventual stocking levels. I thought I'd add some more fish in another 3 weeks or so if my water parameters remain good. I've been having a great time looking at the different species and have changed my mind a bit about what I want to add. I've used the community creator, which doesn't seem to flag up any problems with this list:
Cherry barb   6
Golden barb   8
Platy             2
Silver tip tetra 8
Otios 4       

This puts my stocking levels up to around 40%, which I think is enough for a newbie.
So my questions are:
1. Will the 2 species of barb be ok in my tank?
2. How many of each of the barbs should I introduce each time I add them?
3. How many males to females should I get with the barbs?
4. In terms of the Otos, are they easier to keep than cory cats, or could I have a few of both - say 4 Otos and 5 panda Corey's?
This is a lot to ask, I know, but I want to get the right fish - I don't want my tank to be a war zone!
Thanks in advance

Diz1 :)

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Re: Planning stock for Juwel Rio 180
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2014, 12:27:48 PM »
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I don't think there should be any problems with the two barb species other than the golden barbs liking their water a bit cooler than most tropicals. Their max temp is 24 deg. If you aimed for the 23/24 mark, the other fish you want should be OK. Or perhaps look at something like the 5 band barb which are orangey though maybe not to your taste. Don't confuse these with the similar looking, nasty tiger barbs  ;)

I don't think there is a preferred m/f ratio with barbs. Having both sexes will make the males more colourful but they aren't like livebearer males, pestering the females constantly. If anyone who has had these fish knows different, do let us know  ;D


Otos need a tank that has algae growing. Leave those till last. And be very picky about buying them. The ideal is to wait till the shop has had them in a couple of weeks so that the iffy ones have already died when you get them. They are wild caught by poisoning the streams where they live. Lots don't make it past this stage. Those that do aren't fed properly and they have an odd quirk that once they starve past a certain point they can't start eating again. Besides waiting for the iffy ones to die in the shop, chose individuals with plump bellies as those are eating fine.

And I don't see why you can't have both cories and otos. They live in different areas of the tank and eat different things. Don't be fooled by the term catfish when applied to cories - they are not vegetarian. They need a fair amount of meaty things in their diet and the best food is a sinking pellet that isn't all algae. Pre-soaking pellets makes them sink faster so the barbs, tetras etc won't get them all before they hit the floor of the tank.


As for buying more fish, it is safe to add around a third of the amount of fish already in the tank. That's body mass, so one platy equals about two tetras. You have enough bacteria to cope with the waste from the fish there now. Adding another third won't overwhelm the bacteria and they will very quickly multiply to cope with that amount of new fish. Check your ammonia and nitrite levels after each addition; you can get more when you've had double zeros for a week. If you stick to the one third amounts, you shouldn't see either of them showing up so you can add fish at weekly intervals.

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Re: Planning stock for Juwel Rio 180
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2014, 12:38:35 PM »
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Thanks Sue , as usual that's really helpful. So, just to make sure, I can start adding the fish now (in the ratio you suggest)?
Re: the 5 band barb, I do like them, but prefer the golden colour of the gold barb, especially with the cherries.
Re: the Otos, I'm kind of put off these by what you say about how they're caught. If I stick with the cories (taking on board what you say about pellets), will they do as good a job as the Otos, or would there be another algae eater that I could try as well as the cories?

I'm loving my tank by the way, it's great to see all, the fish so settled and happy – they make me smile every morning when I come in to see them. ;D

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Re: Planning stock for Juwel Rio 180
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2014, 12:51:27 PM »
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Cories won't eat much, if any algae at all. Otos will eat algae. But so will nerite snails. I do realise that a lot of people don't like snails, but nerites are among the best algae eaters and they are pretty too. And they can't breed in freshwater so you don't get overrun with snails, though they do lay sesame seed like eggs on the decor. Or maybe shrimps. Full grown amano (japonica in the fish profiles) shrimps should be OK with your proposed fish, but smaller ones like cherries might get eaten; baby cherries certainly would.

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Re: Planning stock for Juwel Rio 180
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2014, 12:55:32 PM »
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I like the idea of shrimps, but they do seem to be a bit hit-and-miss in terms of keeping them successfully, soI think that snails might be better for me. How many for my tank do you think? ???

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Re: Planning stock for Juwel Rio 180
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2014, 01:43:03 PM »
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I have 2 red ones (orange red with black markings) in my 50 litre and 2 zebra ones in my 180 litre - those are dark and light brown striped. Since the two red ones are fine in the 50 litre, half a dozen of them or the zebras should be OK in a 180 litre tank. I'd wait till you got some algae before getting any. If you can't find any in your local shops, they do travel well in the post. In this case they'd probably used to water that's differet from oyours so acclimate them like fish.
There is also a smaller type of nerite, they grow to about half the diameter of those first two and have yellow and black stripes. I have one of these in my betta's tank. The only drawback to keeping them in a 180 is that you'd never see them. I lose mine in a 26 litre tank.

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Re: Planning stock for Juwel Rio 180
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2014, 01:47:37 PM »
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Thanks again Sue – I've got just the slightest showing of algae already, but not enough for even a snail to feed on I suspect.
Not sure what the availability of these is in northeast scotland, but will have a look at my LFS next time I go to buy some fish. :cheers:

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Re: Planning stock for Juwel Rio 180
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2014, 10:01:31 PM »
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My little ottos were a suprise addition to my tank via my son but although I have a tank less than a year old they're doing ok, i feed them on blanched courgette and cucumber slices and catfish pellets on alternate days. I have an algae tub of stones growing on my kitchen windowsill thanks to Sue's sage advice. They are cute little things and great fun to watch, they love playing in air bubbles. I've read they need to be kept in shoals of at least 5 but I'm willing to stand corrected.

I didnt know they were collected by poisoning water, sheesh :(

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Re: Planning stock for Juwel Rio 180
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2014, 10:37:34 PM »
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I know, it's a horrible thought isn't it? I wonder if there is any way to get tank bred ones? I really would like some, but will just go for a couple of snails for now. I suppose I could always add some later if I ever could get some tank bred specimens. For you, though, at least yours have found a genuinely caring owner after all, so they're much better off than they might have been had they stayed in the shop or gone to someone who didn't look after them well.  :)

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