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Offline Marcus_F

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Re: Losing a couple of fish
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2020, 07:16:23 PM »
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The tap water in our area has nitrates around the 40 ppm mark. I use 50/50 RO tap to reduce this (and the hardness).

Thanks, this sounds like the route I’ll need to take.  What is your tank size and water change amount? Do you see a drastic change?

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Re: Losing a couple of fish
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2020, 07:35:58 PM »
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Any one used this company? https://www.spotlesswater.co.uk/Aquarium

Self service centre near me, could be very handy and seems a great price but probably be higher than shown with the amounts I’ll be getting.


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Re: Losing a couple of fish
« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2020, 09:16:38 PM »
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I’ve never used this service but I’ve seen the advert before for a window cleaning company. Having also looked at the prices you could use the pay and to option and fill your aquarium for less than £5 at those prices. As long as you have a suitable container and transport why not give it a go!

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Re: Losing a couple of fish
« Reply #23 on: April 14, 2020, 08:33:40 PM »
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I’ve heard of others who used this service and had no complaints...

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Re: Losing a couple of fish
« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2020, 11:49:56 AM »
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Right I've bought 2 x 25Litre containers which will fit in the car so can pick up 50Litres of this water in one go.  How long can you/do you keep RO water resting in containers? 

Also what sort of introduction should I do?  I'm guessing 10% at a time rather than a full 40%.  I'm interested to see if the softer water and reduction in PH helps in anyway the brown film algae i've got on the plant leaves.

The recent switch to a filter on my tap water so I'm adding 0% nitrate should help too but not sure how quickly things will tidy up.  I'm hoping the plants start using up all the excess nitrate.  Also added a Clearmax to the media list in filter in an attempt to help reduce Nitrate levels.  Do hope that is the reason my plants are brownish rather than green.  They are growing well, just got the brown film on the leaves.


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Re: Losing a couple of fish
« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2020, 04:22:32 PM »
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Update for you, the fish who was somersaulting seams to a little better.  He can hold himself level and it's only when he tries to swim fast that he rotates all over. 

I also took the drastic action of removing all of my moss from the wood, well Taxiphyllum barbieri.  It looked so dirty, full of fish waste I think and just brown all over it.  Grown loads and couldn't see the structure of the wood I paid a fair amount of money for.  I wasn't a lover so decided to get rid.

I also installed two new plants at the same time and did a 25% water change.  Still tap water filtered to be 5% Nitrate level.  I've managed to rub with my fingers a lot of the plant leaves to show the green again rather than the brown slim.  Hoping the clearmax will kick in soon and I should be able to get RO water by the end of the week.  I'm about to do a chemical test and think I will every day for a week to check what is happening and keep a table.

I've read so much about brown slime algae I'm a bit confused as some say more light, others say less light haha.  I'm going to hope the RO water is my secret weapon to solve all my issues.

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Re: Losing a couple of fish
« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2020, 04:53:51 PM »
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Ammonia 0ppm
Nitrite 0ppm
Nitrate 5ppm potentially 10ppm the colours look the same on both :vcross:
PH 8.2
GH TBC
KH TBC


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Re: Losing a couple of fish
« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2020, 07:00:50 PM »
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Bit late with my reply Marcus_f my apologies. I have a 300 litre heated mini-pond (essentially treated as an external aquarium).
Turnover is high as I have mainly riverine fish. I change about 1/3rd of the water a week using a 50/50 RO mix. I do this over the weekdays changing 20 litres per day.
The Pond is monitored using a Seneye so I can keep an eye on the parameters.

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Re: Losing a couple of fish
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2020, 10:11:06 PM »
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Got some updates pictures to assist with the brown algae.  Hopefully it's just silica brown algae.

Untitled by Marcus Fellerman, on Flickr

Untitled by Marcus Fellerman, on Flickr

Untitled by Marcus Fellerman, on Flickr

Untitled by Marcus Fellerman, on Flickr

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Dwarf Rainbowfish (5) - Rosy Tetra (2) - Cardinal Tetra (10) - Cherry Barb (7) - Black Widow Tetra (4) - Pearl Danio (1) - Zebra Danio (3) - Otocinclus (2) - Penguin Tetra (4) - Dwarf Rainbowfish (4) - X-ray Tetra (4) - Penguin Tetra (4) - Black Widow Tetra (5) - Bloodfin Tetra (5) - Cherry Barb (5) - Golden Barb (5) - White Cloud Mountain Minnow (5) - Black Neon Tetra (5) - Otocinclus (6) - Dwarf Gourami (4) - Galaxy Rasbora (4) - Harlequin Rasbora (8) - Blue Tetra (5) - Cardinal Tetra (10) - Dwarf Rainbowfish (5) - Rosy Tetra (2) - Cherry Barb (8) - Bloodfin Tetra (6) - Harlequin Rasbora (8) - Penguin Tetra (5) -
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Re: Losing a couple of fish
« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2020, 05:41:01 AM »
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Your plants and algae situation doesn’t look too bad to be honest, I suspect it will pass. Though your amazon sword doesn’t look so happy... some of the brown areas on there looks like dying leaves. These should be removed as they add excess nutrients to the water which you don’t want right now.  New leaves should sprout from the base.

It would suggest to me that there are not enough nutrients getting to the plant - or is this one of the new ones you’ve added? What is your fertilisation regime? What substrate do you have?

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Re: Losing a couple of fish
« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2020, 10:10:11 AM »
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Thanks Matt, agree the algae situation is not that bad compared to examples I have seen but it's been going on for a few months now so got thinking it might be worth sorting at the same time i switch to RO water mix.  Those photos were taken after I rubbed some of the leaves with my fingers which removes the brown film.

The tall plant (cant for the life remember the name) just looks yellow and brown but still growing as I get new leaves at the top of all stems which are green.  Had to trim and replant at the weekend.

Substrate is Carib Sea's Eco-Complete and my ferts are JBL Ferropol which I add 10ml when I do a water change so every 4 days or so.  My light is on for 9hrs a day to help boost plant growth.  This is a cube tank so I'm concerned with light reaching the bottom of the plants sufficiently.  56cm height is the tank.

As for the amazon sword, that was one of the plants I rubbed with my fingers yesterday but the tank was full so was tricky.  I'll do it again properly during a water change so I can reach it better.  Could be the photo is picking up where I've not rubbed it properly.  If at the weekend the clean does no good and is revealed as browning leaves, I'll trim them off.  Do have smaller green leaves coming from the base already.  I do also think potentially the leaves are swaying towards the heater, those leaves closest do always suffer from browning.  Might have to think about the heater position, potentially add  bit of angle to get it away from leaves.

I read about algae needing 4 hours of light to grow and a lot of people do their 8 hours of light over two periods.  This also has the added benefit of creating more CO2 when in the dark so the second phase of lights allows them to absorb more and is really beneficial.  Any truth in those rumours?

Everything I've ready suggests this brown film is silica algae and likely relating to high silica in my tap water.  I mean my tap water seems to be so bad for fish I would'nt be at all surprised if this is yet another item present which is causing issues  :vcross: Hopefully the Fluval clearmax and RO water will help.  Amazon delivery today or tomorrow for containers and then I can go get some.  Going to be looooong process I feel of slowly introducing RO water to not upset the fish.


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Dwarf Rainbowfish (5) - Rosy Tetra (2) - Cardinal Tetra (10) - Cherry Barb (7) - Black Widow Tetra (4) - Pearl Danio (1) - Zebra Danio (3) - Otocinclus (2) - Penguin Tetra (4) - Dwarf Rainbowfish (4) - X-ray Tetra (4) - Penguin Tetra (4) - Black Widow Tetra (5) - Bloodfin Tetra (5) - Cherry Barb (5) - Golden Barb (5) - White Cloud Mountain Minnow (5) - Black Neon Tetra (5) - Otocinclus (6) - Dwarf Gourami (4) - Galaxy Rasbora (4) - Harlequin Rasbora (8) - Blue Tetra (5) - Cardinal Tetra (10) - Dwarf Rainbowfish (5) - Rosy Tetra (2) - Cherry Barb (8) - Bloodfin Tetra (6) - Harlequin Rasbora (8) - Penguin Tetra (5) -
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Re: Losing a couple of fish
« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2020, 12:37:29 PM »
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Hardness test delivered so now have results. It's the API test.

KH 12 drops = 214.8ppm (12dkh)
GH 11 drops = 196.9ppm (11dkh)

Have I read that chart right?

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Re: Losing a couple of fish
« Reply #32 on: April 16, 2020, 04:41:06 PM »
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Repositioning the heater sounds like a good plan and looks like a likely culprit from what I can see. If you have strong growth from the base this is a really good sign. Especially given the depth of the tank, as you say.

The split lighting period (known as siesta lighting) is something I’m looking to take off my site to be honest as I’ve extensively tested with and without and found it to make basically no difference (as did George Farmer).  I think the theory is probably sound but the difference it makes so marginal that it is negligible.

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Re: Losing a couple of fish
« Reply #33 on: April 17, 2020, 10:33:58 AM »
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I'll stick to 8hours light then for now, previously 10 until two days ago to help plant growth but now I see this algae i'll reduce.  Question, does the 8hrs include the 30mins morning sunrise option and evening dusk?  I have the light which gradually reduces to help the fish.  For now I've left it at 7.5hrs full light and 30mins either side as a compromise.  Small thing but thought I would ask.

Also realised after reading up i'm not adding the JBL Ferropol stuff correctly.  I've just been adding 10ml per 40L water change but I missed the bit which said it was in addition to 10ml per 80L weekly.  So i'm missing 20ml of fertiliser a week.  Changing that now.

I've also spotted on my wood now i've cleaned it BBA algae.  Is that from bad conditions or brought into the aquarium?  Wasn't sure if it could grow without introduction.  Got some Seachem Flourish Excel in preperation but not sure if I'll use it yet.  Guess I'll need to stop the Ferropol if I was to use this and potentially stop a week before as not to over dose stufff.

Looking at potentially removing the wood for cleaning now it's not got moss or plants connected to it.  Will be a chance to cut the string hahaha.   

A Selection of Fish in my Fish Community Creator Tanks
Dwarf Rainbowfish (5) - Rosy Tetra (2) - Cardinal Tetra (10) - Cherry Barb (7) - Black Widow Tetra (4) - Pearl Danio (1) - Zebra Danio (3) - Otocinclus (2) - Penguin Tetra (4) - Dwarf Rainbowfish (4) - X-ray Tetra (4) - Penguin Tetra (4) - Black Widow Tetra (5) - Bloodfin Tetra (5) - Cherry Barb (5) - Golden Barb (5) - White Cloud Mountain Minnow (5) - Black Neon Tetra (5) - Otocinclus (6) - Dwarf Gourami (4) - Galaxy Rasbora (4) - Harlequin Rasbora (8) - Blue Tetra (5) - Cardinal Tetra (10) - Dwarf Rainbowfish (5) - Rosy Tetra (2) - Cherry Barb (8) - Bloodfin Tetra (6) - Harlequin Rasbora (8) - Penguin Tetra (5) -
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Re: Losing a couple of fish
« Reply #34 on: April 17, 2020, 03:38:51 PM »
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The Ferropol instructions aren’t all that clear are they lol

Re your lighting schedule - can you reduce the ramp up time from 30mins to 15mins? The light really needs to be at max strength reasonably quickly (though I get the need for the ramp for the fish and also have a 15min ramp up on mine) as low lighting levels will encourage algae as a less complex life form they can take advantage of lower levels of light. I would include it in the 8hours for now whilst you deal with the algae issues and see how you get on.

All algae types are present in the air as spores, you’ll have a hard job preventing it getting in, its healthy plant growth that out completes it. Use the excel alongside your ferropol, look up the max dosage you can give, lower the water level or take the wood out and get the excel on the wood and let it have direct contact with the algae at full strength for a bit. Never exceed the recommended dose, use less if you can, never breathe it in and don’t let it get anywhere near anyone who might be pregnant. It’s not nice stuff.

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Re: Losing a couple of fish
« Reply #35 on: April 17, 2020, 03:49:18 PM »
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Yep read about excel from a lot of posts you've put on here as I've been researching.  Will take the wood out I think, to lower the water to even the top of the wood I reckon would be nearly 70litre change.  To then get to other areas of the wood with it on would mean a 100litre change with I reckon only 160litres of water.  Will change the lighting too so rise is 15mins.


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Dwarf Rainbowfish (5) - Rosy Tetra (2) - Cardinal Tetra (10) - Cherry Barb (7) - Black Widow Tetra (4) - Pearl Danio (1) - Zebra Danio (3) - Otocinclus (2) - Penguin Tetra (4) - Dwarf Rainbowfish (4) - X-ray Tetra (4) - Penguin Tetra (4) - Black Widow Tetra (5) - Bloodfin Tetra (5) - Cherry Barb (5) - Golden Barb (5) - White Cloud Mountain Minnow (5) - Black Neon Tetra (5) - Otocinclus (6) - Dwarf Gourami (4) - Galaxy Rasbora (4) - Harlequin Rasbora (8) - Blue Tetra (5) - Cardinal Tetra (10) - Dwarf Rainbowfish (5) - Rosy Tetra (2) - Cherry Barb (8) - Bloodfin Tetra (6) - Harlequin Rasbora (8) - Penguin Tetra (5) -
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