Intro And My Fishy Project - Cora

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #100 on: May 21, 2016, 12:18:58 AM »
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Update : Sue,  before I could take your advice, the ammonia reading has now dropped considerably to no more than 0.2 ppm. This is in about eight hours.  Proper test to follow  tomorrow.

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #101 on: May 21, 2016, 10:38:58 AM »
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That sounds like the stuff from your sister's tank is working. Check your nitrite level as the two colonies don't always keep in sync. And also your nitrate level, remembering to subtract any nitrate in your tap water so you can tell if the tank nitrate has gone up.

If you find nitrite is at the top of the scale at any stage, it is worth diluting a sample of tank water with tap water, say 50:50 or even 25:75 tank:tap. This won't give a very accurate result but you'll be able to tell if the tank nitrite is under 15 or over 15.

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #102 on: May 21, 2016, 10:46:25 AM »
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Just tested properly and ammonia is still high. About 2.0 but not as high as yesterday. Nitrites are at zero.  It's been 18 hours since the first dose though. I guess it's just waiting now... Do nothing for another day I guess.

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #103 on: May 21, 2016, 10:55:43 AM »
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Using mature media or squeezings does make the cycle go faster, so you don't need to stick 100% to the method. I would test again tomorrow - 48 hours after adding ammonia - and see what the results are.

If you get ammonia under 0.75 and nitrite over 2.0, go from stage 6 in the method.
If ammonia is below 0.25 and nitrite below 1.0, go from stage 10.

Especially if nitrate is increasing.

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #104 on: May 21, 2016, 02:33:40 PM »
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Nitrates are zero.

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #105 on: May 21, 2016, 02:46:34 PM »
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Hmmmm.....

OK first thing to ask, did you shake the one bottle the instructions say to? That is very important. In fact, shake it more than it says to. Failure to shake it is the most common cause of false nitrate readings.

If you did shake it, the ammonia must have gone somewhere.
How are the plants doing, nice and lush? Plants actually prefer ammonia as a food source. It is possible to do something called a silent cycle. This is using plants to remove the ammonia and nitrite is not made. But its main requirement is lots, and I mean lots, of healthy well growing plants. The danger comes in assuming that a few straggly plants will replace the need for filter bacteria, but provided the plants are numerous and growing well, they can indeed replace the need for filter bacteria.
Your plants are all quite small at the moment, but there are lots of them. Work on the assumption that a lot of the ammonia was taken up by the plants and the rest by your sister's contributions. And that there are enough nitrite eaters to remove the nitrite made from the ammonia the plants didn't get. Then possibly the plants removed the nitrate made by the nitrite eaters.

Whatever is actually happening, I would keep on with the fishless cycle till you are sure. The last thing you need is to assume the cycle has finished and get fish only to find ammonia and/or nitrite showing up. By using the bottle of ammonia instead of fish to add ammonia to the tank, nothing will die as a result of something going awry.

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #106 on: May 22, 2016, 10:25:36 AM »
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Ok, 36 hours in:

Ammonia:3-4 ppm
Nitrite: 0.25 ppm
Nitrate: 0 ppm

What I think I've done is added too much ammonia in my very first dose and that has inhibited the development of nitrite eaters.

I've not added any ammonia in 36 hours and (despite the alarm which sucks onto the aquarium and was reliable at first) the ammonia levels have only slightly dropped.

But, at least nitrite is going up whereas yesterday it was zero.

My water pH is a very steady 7, so I don't think the water is too acidic for the bacteria.

Sue, based on what you said above, if there is still ammonia in the water - the ammonia eaters still just need more time to grow?

Most of my plants are looking good, and there are a lot of them. Some aren't looking so good (I think the wear and tear of transport and being transplanted several days has taken its toll, but that's ok, I got loads on the assumption I'd lose some).

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #107 on: May 22, 2016, 11:56:22 AM »
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Paddy found it did take a short while to cycle even using his friend's mature media, longer than a few days.

Since you added a lot of ammonia at the start, either do a 50% water change (and I have a 180 litre tank so I realise that is not something anyone would want to do) or wait it out.
For the latter, since your ammonia reading is what the fishless cycling method starts with, go from the beginning. But since you did use something to kick start the cycle, instead of testing every third day test every 2 days. Once the ammonia level drops below 0.75, report back with your nitrite and nitrate readings and we can see what to do next.

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #108 on: May 22, 2016, 12:07:39 PM »
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Cora when I cycled my shrimpery I had added a small amount of mature media to the filter and I think it took 10 days from start to finish, I'll double check in a moment.

edited to add: it took 23 days. I added 4 pieces of mature ceramic media into the cavity as thats all I could fit in and tied a piece of foam from the old filter to the side.



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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #109 on: May 22, 2016, 12:13:41 PM »
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Cheers, Fiona. Cheers, Sue.

I won't change the water just yet because I haven't got an efficient syphon for that tank. I've got some much larger tubing in the post which I can run from the tank right out into the garden drain. So I'll wait it out for a few days and test again.

I'll report back with readings tomorrow.

I want to send a proper photo of the tank but the water isn't very clear. It's not particularly cloudy and you can't see particulate matter, but it's definitely not clear. I think it's still just settling in. When it gets dark later I'll try another pic.

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #110 on: May 22, 2016, 12:16:46 PM »
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Also, I removed the carbon from my external filter as per Sue's advice on other threads. Perhaps the carbon might have helped slightly the clarity, but it doesn't really matter since after the cycle I'll change it all anyway. Just thought I would add that FYI.

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #111 on: May 22, 2016, 12:24:16 PM »
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The cloudiness could be a bacterial bloom which is very common in new tanks, it should clear eventually. It was probably triggered when the soil got disturbed.

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #112 on: May 22, 2016, 01:09:51 PM »
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That makes me feel better, Fiona :)

I've been doing some YouTube watching for inspiration and I'm now thinking of dropping one of my 'ten' batch of one species and converting it to a 20 batch of another. Shoals of 10 are great but a shoal of 20 would be even more impressive. Perhaps swap the 10 glowlight tetras for another 10 cardinals... Just thinking aloud

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #113 on: May 22, 2016, 01:52:08 PM »
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Personally being a glowlight tetra owner I'd dump those and increase the cardinals. Glowlights are quite pretty but they tend to lurk in the plants a lot and you don't really see them, a shoal of 20 cardinals is a pretty impressive sight and one I'm aiming for. I've got 11 in the QT and I'll be getting more eventually.

One of the shops I visit has a square 300l tank filled with plants, a large shoal of cardinals, a small shoal of boesemani rainbow fish and dwarf suckermouths and it's very very striking.

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #114 on: May 22, 2016, 01:53:51 PM »
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We're on the same fishy page :)

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #115 on: May 22, 2016, 06:24:58 PM »
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I've got some much larger tubing in the post which I can run from the tank right out into the garden drain.

ooo - don't waste the water. Put it on the veg bed, house plants or flower bed. My dwarf apple tree in a container thrives on the tank water change water.

Just a thought! ;D

20 cardinal tetras would make an impressive shoal. I saw a large shoal of Rosy Tetras in a heavily planted tank and they looked stunning.

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #116 on: May 22, 2016, 06:32:55 PM »
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Once I get the whitespot eliminated, I'm thinking of a couple of dozen green neon tetras (cousins of cardinal tetras) if I can find any to add to the 9 I already have. If I can't find any, then about 15 cardinals, plus the 9 green neons.

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #117 on: May 23, 2016, 09:56:11 AM »
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It's now about 66 hours since the initial (over)dose of Ammonia.

Ammonia: 2.0 ppm (perhaps slightly more)
Nitrites: 0.5 ppm (perhaps slightly more)
Nitrates: 0 ppm (the reading only displays increments of 5ppm so it could be somewhere between 0 and 4 I suppose...)


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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #118 on: May 23, 2016, 10:08:46 AM »
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Carry on testing every 48 hours until ammonia has dropped below 0.75 and see what the nitrite level is. I'm suggesting every second day rather than every third because of the 'stuff' from your sister's tank.

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #119 on: May 23, 2016, 10:55:26 AM »
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Will do.

I've just changed 10% of the water and topped up with 20-30% fresh (the tank wasn't full originally). It's still not full now but the ammonia should be much more diluted. I'll test ammonia again today out of curiosity to see what the dilution has done. Then I'll keep testing every 48 hours, cheers.

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