Intro And My Fishy Project - Cora

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #80 on: May 19, 2016, 11:42:20 AM »
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If I were you I'd take one of the sponges from the 70L and squeeze it into the new tank. This will transfer far more bacteria than a 'quick-start' product.

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #81 on: May 19, 2016, 01:19:20 PM »
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If I were you I'd take one of the sponges from there 70L and squeeze it into the new tank. This will transfer far more bacteria than a 'quick-start' product.
Nice one - ok will do.

Would it be better to squeeze it into the filter directly? (Either way, good idea.)

I managed to spend some time on lunch fitting the intake column correctly. I think I've combined connecting pieces from two kits because my column is now too long to go straight down but rather stretches diagonally alongside the far right wall. I am ok with this. 1. I had to secure some lines together which I have no intention of disassembling and 2. Plants will hide it anyway.

This has cheered me up a bit because I was worried about the intake.

Next step will be to reconnect the outlet spray bar; at the moment it's sat near the top and it's quite loud. There is too much water disturbance for my liking (and for my fishes' and plants' too I would think!). How far above the surface do you guys fix your  bar? I'm thinking just marginally above to create movement but little noise.

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #82 on: May 19, 2016, 01:37:23 PM »
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You could place it below the water surface and pointing up. This will give you water disturbance without noise disturbance.

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #83 on: May 19, 2016, 01:56:43 PM »
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You could place it below the water surface and pointing up. This will give you water disturbance without noise disturbance.
The holes in the pipes are not aligned along one side, unfortunately. But I will do this when a get a better bar :)

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #84 on: May 19, 2016, 02:42:58 PM »
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If anyone's interested, here is a list of plants for my tank, most of which I already have.

With one exception all plants' requirements are low CO2, low light. Most are medium to quick growers.

I intend to dose with liquid CO2 and a tiny amount of plant food during the cycling process.

Alternanthera Rosaefolia (red) x 1 focal point (requires more care)
Amazon frogbit (floating)
Dwarf water lettuce (pistia stratiotes)  floating
Moss balls (Cladophora) x 10 (front surface)
Cryptocoryne willisii x 2 (short creeping / foreground)
LIMNOPHILA SESSILIFLORA x 2 (fore/mid ground)
Vallisneria spiralis x 10 (tall straight / background)
Anubias heterophylla x 1 (focal point mid/background)
LINDERNIA ROTUNDIFOLIA x 2 (medium height, fore/mid)
CABOMBA CAROLINIANA x 10 (mid/background)
Amazon Sword ( Echinodorus bleheri) x 10 (background)
Elodea densa (background)
Guppy grass ( Najas Guadalupensis) (foreground / on wood)

I'm going to see what works and what doesn't. I want a very natural and dark theme - bogwoods and greens against black. The Alternanthera Rosaefolia will provide the only non-green plant as an off-centre focal point.

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #85 on: May 19, 2016, 03:04:45 PM »
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mmmm..... I don't think you want 10 Amazon Swords, there'll be no room for anything else!

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #86 on: May 19, 2016, 03:44:05 PM »
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mmmm..... I don't think you want 10 Amazon Swords, there'll be no room for anything else!
There are literally 10 blades, I should clarify; not ten entire planted Amazons.

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #87 on: May 19, 2016, 04:21:40 PM »
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I intend to dose with liquid CO2 and a tiny amount of plant food during the cycling process.

You have just reminded me of something I read recently. With very soft water like yours, adding plant fertilser helps with cycling as it contains trace elements for the bacteria as well as plants.

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #88 on: May 19, 2016, 04:51:38 PM »
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I intend to dose with liquid CO2 and a tiny amount of plant food during the cycling process.

You have just reminded me of something I read recently. With very soft water like yours, adding plant fertilser helps with cycling as it contains trace elements for the bacteria as well as plants.
That's great to know, cheers! :)

The bicarb and inline heater will go in this evening, after I've done a substantial water change to purify it (it's still very cloudy).

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #89 on: May 20, 2016, 08:06:43 AM »
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You'll need to add iron to keep the Alternanthera Rosaefolia red, it'll go a khaki brown without it and I hate to be a pedant  :-[ but Vallisneria spiralis, is twisted vallis, you've probably got Vallisneria Americana if it's got straight leaves.  :)

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #90 on: May 20, 2016, 08:16:21 AM »
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.....and I hate to be a pedant.....

No you don't! :)) :)) :))

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #91 on: May 20, 2016, 09:31:25 AM »
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You'll need to add iron to keep the Alternanthera Rosaefolia red, it'll go a khaki brown without it and I hate to be a pedant  :-[ but Vallisneria spiralis, is twisted vallis, you've probably got Vallisneria Americana if it's got straight leaves.  :)
I thought the "spiralis" part of the name refers to the root shape not the leafs. I read about this and Vallisneria spiralis is apparently: "Vallisneria spiralis, also known as straight vallisneria, tape grass, or eel grass is a common aquarium plant that prefers good light and a nutrient rich substrate. In the wild, it can be found in tropical and sub-tropical regions worldwide." Wikipedia

Will the fertiliser not contain iron? (I can check.) But thanks for the heads up - I'll keep this in mind for those red leaves :)

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #92 on: May 20, 2016, 10:40:51 AM »
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The "spiralis" part is the flower stem. My Vallis arrived with the remanant of a flower stem and it was very spirally.

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #93 on: May 20, 2016, 02:23:20 PM »
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.....and I hate to be a pedant.....

No you don't! :)) :)) :))

Oh yes I do  :P

The "spiralis" part is the flower stem. My Vallis arrived with the remanant of a flower stem and it was very spirally.

Well you live and learn thankee :)

I can't recall the name of the ferts I used to use but there wasn't enough iron in it to keep all the leaves red. The new ones came out red and then faded out to khaki brown. I now use Easy Life Ferro as well and it's made a massive difference

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #94 on: May 20, 2016, 06:11:13 PM »
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Tank almost filled with dechlorinated water after setting up the plants and wood.

External filter - one whole tray filled with bacteria and gunk from my sister's established tank.

Filter re-activated and working perfectly. Inline heater activated shortly after and set to 30 degrees celsius.

My sister removed the carbonate stone from my filter by accident. Not wishing to restart the whole thing I've just put the rock in a filter bag and hung it in the water. Water was initially slightly acidic but is rising slowly.

Liquid CO2 and fertiliser added to water in slightly above-regular doses.

6ml of ammonia solution (Jeyes Kleen Off) added to water. After 30 minutes a reading of between 4-8 mg/L was recorded. Will test again in 24 hours for ammonia and nitrite.

Shared Google album updated with more pics: https://goo.gl/photos/ZLx8Za9jsMGSnhJ78

The water isn't very clear just yet but I'm pleased with the layout and when the water clears and it gets dark tonight I'll take another photo. Got plans this Friday evening guys? Cancel them! PROJECT: FISHY 185 is up and running!  :fishy1:

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #95 on: May 20, 2016, 07:04:30 PM »
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Got plans this Friday evening guys? Cancel them! PROJECT: FISHY 185 is up and running!  :fishy1:
This is great - I'm loving the detailed updates and the pics. Keep 'em coming... :fishy1:

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #96 on: May 20, 2016, 07:06:31 PM »
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After 30 minutes a reading of between 4-8 mg/L was recorded. Will test again in 24 hours for ammonia and nitrite.

If it is still that high, I would do a water change to reduce it. You only need 3ppm for cycling. The reason this amount is used is to stop nitrite getting too high. [And mg/l is the same as ppm]

1 ppm ammonia is turned into 2.7 ppm nitrite. Once the ammonia eaters start to eat the ammonia, nitrite goes up quickly. At around 15 ppm, nitrite inhibits the growth of the nitrite eaters. The problem is that most test kits can't measure that high, and doing tests on diluted samples needs a source of pure water and very accurate measuring equipment. The old methods of fishless cycling took ages because of the way ammonia was dosed (it used to be add ammonia every time it drops to zero) because those old methods made a huge amount of nitrite. The chap who invented the fishless cycling method I wrote up on here used amounts of ammonia that will never make enough nitrite to stall the cycle if the method is followed to the letter.
You'll still find those older methods on websites. Some have you dosing ammonia to 5 ppm but it now known that a suitably stocked tankful of fish doesn't make even 3 ppm in 24 hours. It used to be thought that the bacteria would die if they went for 24 hours without food - it is now known they can go for much longer. After a week or two they become dormant, only dying after several months. It is this newer knowledge that allowed the chap to devise the fishless cycling method on here.

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #97 on: May 20, 2016, 08:07:56 PM »
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Following your progress with enthusaism, Cora, good luck with the fishless cycle... Similar to my own which was fairly straightforward and relatively quick. I'm a bit envious of your arrangement of plants. And that is a stunning tank  8) 8) 8)

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #98 on: May 20, 2016, 08:47:16 PM »
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Sue, many thanks once again for your advice :)

Following your progress with enthusaism, Cora, good luck with the fishless cycle... Similar to my own which was fairly straightforward and relatively quick. I'm a bit envious of your arrangement of plants. And that is a stunning tank  8) 8) 8)
Considering I am learning so much from scratch (when I kept fish as a teenager I was oblivious to so much I should have known), I am really pleased with how I've planned this tank and the plants I've bought. I do think the aquascape looks very nice, and when the water clears I'll send another pic - I can't wait.

On that subject of ignorance, the fisherkeeper from whom I bought my initial batch a few weeks ago -- there was no consideration at all of water hardness and carbonates, and yet the subject turned to this immediately on this forum. Why would a professional fish breeder and seller not advise (or know) that mixing soft water fish with hard water fish wouldn't be a problem, or even worth mentioning?

I think this website and the forum should be required reading for aquarists everywhere! I'm just glad I was directed here and learned as much as I did before I put any (more) fish through distress or worse. And now I know better I can give the lucky occupants of Project 185 I good home. Soon :)

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #99 on: May 20, 2016, 09:55:29 PM »
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It's great to see your pictures. Very nice tank.  ;D
I was at one of the LFS this afternoon and a guy came in to say that his fish weren't well. Talking to staff afterwards and it turns out he'd been rinsing his filter in tap water. At least his fish should start feeling better soon, now that things have been explained to him. Sometimes it can be pot luck with fish shops. I think we assume that the people selling us the fish know what they are doing, but sometimes they don't.
This forum is so useful, I was on it for ages as a guest before I joined, and being a complete newbie to fish keeping it was, and still is, an awesome source of information.

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