Intro And My Fishy Project - Cora

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Offline Richard W

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #60 on: May 16, 2016, 12:36:53 PM »
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If you use a soil substrate that will provide fertiliser.
Plants also use ammonia, nitrites and nitrates all of which will result from the cycling process.
Adding fertiliser to the water may simply increase algae, which is often a problem in the beginning anyway.
Plants also need Calcium and other elements in small amounts, hence the need to add some of the sources mentioned by others to increase hardness.
I've never found any need for added carbon dioxide, but others disagree, I prefer the "keep it simple" concept unless it's absolutely necessary to add extras, which it rarely is. Tap water conditioner is the only thing I've ever added to my water, apart from fish food.

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #61 on: May 16, 2016, 12:38:05 PM »
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After spending many years working in in vitro diagnostics companies, and working with quality systems, Sue I have to say that if only I could get current research colleagues to appreciate the requirements for reference and standard samples, my life would be fish, axolotls, puppies, kittens and sunshine on a daily basis.  ;D

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #62 on: May 16, 2016, 01:03:06 PM »
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my life would be fish, axolotls, puppies, kittens and sunshine on a daily basis.  ;D
Sounds like a life well-lived :) Good luck with that last one though...

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #63 on: May 16, 2016, 01:36:47 PM »
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Cheers for the advice, Richard!

I've given it more thought and I will drop one batch of Danios for Glowlight Tetras. I'll also up my quantity of Bolivian Rams from 6 to 8, because these fish are just great! :fishy1:

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« Reply #64 on: May 16, 2016, 01:40:15 PM »
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With largish tanks (and 180 litres is at the bottom end of large) there are two ways of stocking them.
The first is the minimum number of lots of different species, the second is lots of a few species.

I used to be in the first, now I'm in the second group  :) If you look at my signature, the microdevarios and ember tetras are the remains of larger shoals, but I have 12 pencilfish and when I replace the recently deceased cherry barbs, I'll get at least a dozen of one species.

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #65 on: May 16, 2016, 01:56:13 PM »
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With largish tanks (and 180 litres is at the bottom end of large) there are two ways of stocking them.
The first is the minimum number of lots of different species, the second is lots of a few species.

I used to be in the first, now I'm in the second group  :)
Yes when I first looked at this project I too was leaning towards the former, but I think larger shoals look incredible, so I will have fewer types but at least 8-10 of each (except the rams and corys).

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #66 on: May 16, 2016, 10:43:38 PM »
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Does anyone have experience of Bolivian Rams - based on my experience with GBRs, I wonder if three pairs in a tank this size would be maximum as they'd form territories on the bottom...

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« Reply #67 on: May 17, 2016, 08:04:57 AM »
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I've never kept rams but having read about them I was wondering about the same thing. Territorial fish are a bit of a pain, if I'd known how stroppy stiphs were I probably wouldn't have got any,they do spoil the tranquility.

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« Reply #68 on: May 17, 2016, 09:19:02 AM »
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I have had Bolivian rams in the past and I too have been surprised when sites say they should be kept in groups.

My experience with them -
I bought 2 Bolivian rams for my old 125 litre, 82 cm long tank. I bought the two most different ones in the shop tank. They got on OK, no squabbling but no sign of spawning either. As they grew up, I realised they were two males. Six months later, I was in another shop where they'd just had a customer bring in some of their home bred Bolivians, and they were full grown. You could see the breeding tubes in over half the fish. I got 2 females after checking that I could not only take one of the females back but also one of the males I already had if it proved necessary.
As soon as I put the girls in the tank, world war three broke out. The two males went from being quite friendly in a platonic way to trying to kill each other. I had to put one of them in the quarantine tank to prevent a blood bath.
The remaining male divided his time between the two females - a few hours with one on the left of the tank, then a few hours with the other on the right side. I bought the girls on a Saturday; by Wednesday morning, the male had paired up with one female and they were making life difficult for the second female. She went into the QT with the other male. I had to wait until the following Saturday to take the rams in the QT back to the shop, and while we were out, the two in the 125 litre spawned. I came home to find eggs all over a rock.



Cora's new tank is bigger than my 125 litre. Not only in volume, but it has a bigger footprint, which is important for bottom dwelling fish.
But given how difficult it is to sex young Bolivian rams, I would suggest getting 6 to 8 of them but make sure the shop will take some back if they do what mine did. This is common advice with cichlids - buy several juveniles, let them chose their partners then rehome all but one pair. Cichlids that choose their own partners make better mates than any female and any male put in together. They are less likely to squabble - it is not unknown for one of them to kill the other if they didn't make their own choice.

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« Reply #69 on: May 17, 2016, 09:50:10 AM »
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Could one keep a Bolivian Ram on its own?

A Selection of Fish in my Fish Community Creator Tanks
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« Reply #70 on: May 17, 2016, 09:56:18 AM »
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Yes, but it's not ideal. They do prefer some company.

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #71 on: May 18, 2016, 11:17:14 AM »
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I love Rams - they're such a lovely looking fish. But I am now seriously considering not getting any. I do want a peaceful tank and a good home. Although, as Sue suggests, I was intending to get 8 of them anyway!

I went to the Blue Planet aquarium in Cheshire Oaks (near Chester) yesterday and saw a large tank full of soft water tetras from the Amazon. I kept on saying "I'm getting them...and those too!" Made me feel a lot better about my water conditions at home.

I will eventually post photos soon.

Update: the tank was delivered yesterday and I laid the compost (about 2cm) then gravel (another 2-3cm). I placed the bogwood and plants and have 3/4 filled with water. Unfortunately, a slip of the bucket disturbed a load of compost and the water is now very dirty and cloudy. I think it will settle anyway and it shouldn't make a difference to my cycling plan. But it means I want to hurry with setting up the filter and getting everything in situ so I can start with the ammonia. I have more plants to plant and it doesn't help that I can't see the substrate... :)

From tonight I'll be using a hose to supply water; I should have just waited for this instead of using buckets!

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« Reply #72 on: May 18, 2016, 11:28:19 AM »
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Patience is not my strong point, and I have also fallen foul of the cloudy tank issues when rushing to get things done. Everything will settle and I'm looking forward to seeing your pictures. Seeing someone get a new tank is almost as exciting as getting a new tank myself.  ;D

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« Reply #73 on: May 18, 2016, 11:35:25 AM »
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Cora, have a look at apistogrammas. They like soft water and can look stunning too. The common ones in shops are A cacatuoides (cockatoo cichlid) and A agassizii; both are available in different colour forms. And some shops sell the blue A borelli. These are all harem fish; each male has a big territory which includes several smaller female territories. In 180 litres you could have 1 male 3 females. I have that number of agassiziis in my 180 litre.

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #74 on: May 18, 2016, 12:36:50 PM »
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Hi Sue, that's a great shout - many thanks.

Here is a link to a public shared folder of Project Fishy 185  ;D  :fishy1:

https://goo.gl/photos/ZLx8Za9jsMGSnhJ78

I'll add more frequently.

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« Reply #75 on: May 18, 2016, 05:15:56 PM »
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Now that's a good lookin' tank. What make is it.... I can only recall it's 185litres?

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #76 on: May 18, 2016, 05:27:56 PM »
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Hi Colin, I got the tank off eBay and can vouch for the seller and delivery time and quality. I think the tank is unbranded, and considering it comes with the stand included, the price is unbeatable.

Here is a link to the listing. The 185l is now sold out but there is a selection:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/86L-133L-185L-235L-Aquarium-Nano-Fish-Tank-Tropical-Coldwater-LED-Light-Cabinet-/222101955770?var=&hash=item33b64ee4ba

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #77 on: May 19, 2016, 09:25:32 AM »
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I installed the APS 1400 external filter last night. Despite the warnings I'd been given with the priming it wasn't much effort at all.

However, my tank wasn't designed to take the input and output configuration of the filter. There are large holes at the top back of the tank either side for the necessary ingress and egress of tubing, but after that it gets tricky to position the input mechanism. Right now I just have the extraction tube stuck in the water! (The APS filter is great but the input column and spray bar feel like very cheap plastic. I will try to get a better one which fits.)

I added approx 6.0ml of ammonia solution to the water. The ammonia detector I have stuck to the tank turned a strong blue in a short space of time. If I had fishies in the water they would have been floating...

I didn't get the chance to test if I achieved 3 mg/L after 30 mins (friends around to watch the football last night --the less said about that the better. Fish are better than football teams; fish don't disappoint you  :fishy1: )

I will use the fishless cyling procedure that Sue enumerated, once I can do a proper test on the current ammonia levels. I will also add a generous portion of the "quickstart" bacteria solutions to the filter media.

In related news, the tank is still very cloudy but you can almost make out all the content. This kind of fine dirty caused by compost isn't something I think the filter can efficiently remove. But, I don't think it will affect my cycle in any way, so I could continue as normal. Or, if the water still hasn't cleared considering in a day I'll do a big water change.

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« Reply #78 on: May 19, 2016, 10:49:38 AM »
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For the first week or two, the ammonia level won't change much. Just make sure it's not above 4 ppm, and 3 is better.

If you want to use a bacterial starter Tetra Safe Start is the one to go for. It doesn't work every time but it does have the right species of nitrite eating bacteria.
 
But don't you have a smaller tank? The best way to kick start a cycle is by using mature media. If you take up to a third of the media from another tank, that will significantly reduce the cycle time. Swap some new media with old media from the other tank.

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Re: Intro and my fishy project
« Reply #79 on: May 19, 2016, 10:55:53 AM »
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Hi Sue. I do have an existing tank (70L Juwel) with internal filter but the media is set of sponges, black and blue. So unless I removed one of them I'd have to cut either in half. But you're right, using this media would be much much faster!

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