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Offline engineer_tom

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I was given a 10L tank
« on: August 07, 2013, 11:21:31 AM »
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I have just been given a 10L tank, I was thinking of using it for tropical fish, does anyone have any advice for me as from research I have found this is a very small tank and so could have issues.

So far i know that: it will need daily attention which I am willing to give it, and that I can have a max of 10cm of total fish.

Equipment wise: it is a Marina 10L tank with filter and light (I am planning to get a heater for it).

Starting it: I am planning to have it setup for at least a few weeks without fish as I want to lesson the risk when I add them.

Eventual aims: I want to have real plants and if possible a Siamese Fighting Fish as they just look awesome.

In an ideal world I would have at least a 50L tank but I can't afford it and this what I have been given, but I plan to upgrade in a couple of years time.

Any advice would be appreciated.

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Re: I was given a 10L tank
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2013, 11:43:38 AM »
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Unfortunately, a 10 litre tank is really too small for any fish. It converts to 2.666 Amercian galls (it's usually US galls for fishkeeping) and even siamese fighting fish need at least 3 US galls, with some experts giving 5 as the minimum.

If you would be prepared to put in the work necessary (ie keeping a close eye on the water, and doing water changes more often than you'd need with a bigger tank) you might get away with a siamese fighting fish but it would not be ideal. I would strongly advise you to do a fishless cycle using ammonia. Doing a fish-in cycle would be difficult in a tank that small as the two toxins, ammonia and mitrite, would build up very quickly.

You'll find two threads on fishless cycling in the Filtration and Cycling Section.
This one is the older one, though it does work - I used it myself on a 25 litre tank earlier this year.
And this one is a more recently developed method which I haven't used, though a member of the forum is currently doing it.

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Re: I was given a 10L tank
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2013, 11:52:32 AM »
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What other fish would you suggest as a good starting point?

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Re: I was given a 10L tank
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2013, 12:04:06 PM »
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In a 10 litre tank, there are no different fish you could have. The 1cm per litre rule does not apply to tanks this small as there are other considerations besides just the size of the fish. Virtually every other fish that would physically fit are shoaling fish so you would need at least 6 of them. And most of them are quite active fish and need more swimming room than a 10 litre tank could offer. What are the dimensions of the tank? Is it long and shallow or more like a cube?


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Re: I was given a 10L tank
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2013, 12:28:39 PM »
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More like a cube, really isn't a tank I would of chosen but a friend had it and gave it to me and I can't afford anything bigger right now and would really like to make use of it.

I don't have it yet as I have to pick it up, but from what it looked like and some research on the manufacurers website this what I believe it is:

http://ca-en.hagen.com/Aquatic/Aquariums/Starter-Kits-Plastic--Goldfish-/12885

Though for some reason I had thought it was more than 10L but this is the biggest they manufacture.

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Re: I was given a 10L tank
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2013, 12:47:50 PM »
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If it really is that tank - be warned. Hagen are not the best for giving good advice on how to set up a tank. The filter that seems to be in the tank is next to useless - the problem is what's inside, called the filter media. I would not use that filter without some serious modification.


I seem to be telling you you can't have any fish but a fighter, and I wouldn't use that tank anyway  :-\ Is there any chance at all of getting a bigger, better tank? Have you looked on bay at second hand tanks? Or gumtree and freecycle? To be honest, that would give you a better tank.

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Re: I was given a 10L tank
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2013, 01:13:03 PM »
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Beginning to think that, and is it just me or is selling a tank with fish a really bad idea, as you can't transport a 75L tank full can you.

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Re: I was given a 10L tank
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2013, 01:24:26 PM »
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Beginning to think that, and is it just me or is selling a tank with fish a really bad idea, as you can't transport a 75L tank full can you.

Welcome to the forum, Tom.

You can't transport a tank full of fish, but if you followed the 'Moving Your Aquarium' guide here then you could get it all home. However, as a new fishkeeper this would be a very difficult thing to achieve safely. Far better off getting a tank and equipment, then cycling it, then getting fish - far fewer fatalities this way, and you'll learn a lot more about fish-keeping while doing it.

I'm afraid a 10litre tank is a vase.

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Re: I was given a 10L tank
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2013, 02:19:26 PM »
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If I went for a bigger tank say 50L, would I be able to keep a small community in it such as a Siamese Fighting Fish (Male), maybe 4 other small fish and maybe a couple of shrimp or snails, with plants.

Of course introducing them after preparing the tank using the fishless cycle and over a long period to let the tank settle in.

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Re: I was given a 10L tank
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2013, 02:50:29 PM »
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There is a problem with keeping fighters with other fish. They have very variable tempraments. Some are so laid back they can get badly bullied while others are so aggressive they kill anything that moves. And everything in between.
You would need to avoid fish that are fin nippers (and there are some that usually don't nip fins but just can't help themselves when faced with a fighter's big trailing fins) and fish fish that trigger the fighter's 'attack' reflexes. Which means avoid barbs and many tetras; and guppies which a lot of fighters mistake for other male fighters; gouramis which are related and often fight with fighters; and very small fish which a fighter might view as a snack.

So after saying what you can't have, look at harlequin rasboras (at least 6 as they are shoaling fish) or one of their smaller lookalikes such as this or this
If you had sand or small smooth gravel, you could have a shoal (6+) of one of the dwarf carydoras habrosus, pygmy or hastatus (other cory species would be too big)
If you want brightly coloured fish, some people report success with endlers - although they are related to guppies they don't have the long flowing tails that guppies do. But you'd need several of them to keep their attentions on each other rather than the fighter. Females are drab grey but with a fighter to eat the fry you wouldn't need to worry about overpopulating the tank. (endlers, like guppies, are livebearing fish that breed like rabbits!)


You can get empty tanks second hand as well as those with fish in them - usually from people who didn't research fishkeeping as you are doing and managed to kill all their fish so gave up.

The keys to successful fishkeeping are
to know about the bacteria that grow in the filter, how to grow them before getting fish, and to look after them once you've grown them.
to research fish before you buy
to not overstock the tank
And most important of all - do not take any notice of what a shop says unless you've researched it for yourself first. Most of them either haven't a clue or will say anything to make a sale.

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Re: I was given a 10L tank
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2013, 07:37:42 PM »
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Went round my mates house and looked at the tank to see exactly what it is, turns out it is a 21L version that isn't on the manufacturers website, but with the same filter by the look of it.

Size: (W) 43.2cm x (H) 47cm x (D) 34cm

Is there a big change in what I can have in a tank this size.

I would change the media in the filter to something better.

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Re: I was given a 10L tank
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2013, 07:56:30 PM »
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21 litres = 5.6 US galls, so fine for a siamese fighting fish. Just the one fish though, unless nerite snails take your fancy. I have one in a 25 litre tank with my fighter.

The filter that is in the site you linked to is this one. It contains one cartridge which is composed of zeolite, carbon and floss. The water flows through the zeolite first and it absorbs ammonia - until it is full then it stops. But because there is no ammonia left deeper in the filter no bacteria grow so when the zeolite stops working, the ammonia level rockets and harms the fish. Zeolite, in my opinion, has no place in a filter. It ties you in to replacing the cartridge before the zeolite is used up, for ever. This type of filter media prevents proper cycling.
The best thing to do with this filter is change the cartridge for sponge, and make of filter sponge cut to shape. Use the cartridge as a template, making sure it is a snug fit as you don't want water sneaking round the edges.
This filter is the replacement for the one in my fighter's tank. If that ever breaks and I get this one instead, that's what I'll do.

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Re: I was given a 10L tank
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2013, 08:05:25 PM »
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I was hoping I might be able to fit a couple of other small fish in there as well, but if I can't I might just run with the 1 fighter and then in the future, when I can afford it, get another tank to build as a community tank.

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Re: I was given a 10L tank
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2013, 08:59:59 PM »
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The trouble is that most small fish need to be in a shoal not just a couple, that's why you can't really keep any other fish in there with a fighter. But the tank is perfect for a fighter  ;D

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Re: I was given a 10L tank
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2013, 09:09:26 PM »
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I just came across a 112L Juwel tank with all the equipment needed for just £15 so far on Ebay, now if that doesn't go up above 30ish I may get it.

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Re: I was given a 10L tank
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2013, 10:14:20 PM »
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If I did the 21L tank for just a single fighter what sort of plants, substrate etc should I use, so it has the best possible environment.

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Re: I was given a 10L tank
« Reply #16 on: August 08, 2013, 08:56:10 AM »
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For substrate, fighters aren't fussy. You could use gravel, sand or even pebbles.
You need a cave but that can be made from anything. It's just to give him somewhere to hide if he feels the need. You can buy plastic ornaments that have hollows or make your own from pieces of slate or even a tettacotta plantpot - that's what is in my fighter's tank. I cut about a third off the side of a pot so it lies flat on its side on the bottom of the tank. Make sure that any decor does not have a hole just the right size for a fighter to get stuck in, because they will! Terracotta plantpots have a hole on the bottom, I siliconed a bit of plastic mesh over it to stop him trying to go through it.
Plants can be real or silk, but not plastic. They like to rest on broad leaves near the surface to save them lugging those big fins round all the time. And near the surface as they need to gulp air. I have silk plants and also a real plant called java fern attached to the plantpot.
Fighters like swimming through things, so at least one cave and several plants and other decor.

Fighter's have delicate fins; they are easily torn. All decor should be checked for rough bits and sharp edges - that's why you shouldn't use plastic plants as they have sharp edges. Your user name suggests you are male? Do you know a woman who would let you have an old pair of tights - or even better, come shopping with you? Do the tights test - run an old pair over an ornament and if it snags, it could damage a fighter's fins. Small rough bits can be sanded smooth.

Fighters are better fed on specialist food rather than general fish food. I have Hikari betta pellets (betta being the other name for fighters). Dried food should be presoaked in a bit of tank water as fighters are pigs when it comes to food, they stuff it all in as fast as they can and dry food can swell up inside them. They do beg for food. Don't give in! They can over-eat and get fat which is not good for them. Mine gets 3 pellets in the morning and 3 in the evening. Live food can be fed once a week as a treat instead of pellets - frozen live food is easiest to manage as you don't need much for one fish and you can cut a bit off a frozen cube to thaw out. Most shops sell blister packs in the freezer - fighters like bloodworm and brine shrimp. Mine won't eat daphnia though. And feed a pea once a week. Save one from your meal, pop the inside out of the skin and chop it up. If you get that bigger tank, the fish you buy for that will love pea as well.


Fighters have personality. Don't be fooled by the ones in the shop. They are either squashed into a tiny cup where they can't move, or they are in with other fish, usually unsuitable fish and the fighter is up in one corner trying to hide from them. When they are in a nice 20 to 25 litre tank on their own, their personalities really come out.
When you buy, look for one that is alert. Put your finger on the tank and move it from side to side - he should follow your finger with his eyes if not his whole body. Avoid fish that have damaged fins, cloudy eyes, bent spines, swollen abdomen or covered in white spots.



As you can probably tell by now, I like fighters  :D I prefer plakats (short tailed fighters) but they are hard to come by. My current one is a bright blue delta tail. I bought him as a blue and white marble (blotches of both colours) but as I expected, as he matured the white go less and less till he's now all blue. Just to warn you that marble pattern fighters do change colour. I have a thread with pics of some of my fighters here

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Re: I was given a 10L tank
« Reply #17 on: August 08, 2013, 09:37:15 AM »
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Thanks for all the help, I was planning to have a selection of real plants long at back short in front, but taking into mind what you have said i will set aside a space for a plant pot cave in one of the front corners (how big i am thinking 6cm diameter maybe 8cm as it will be missing part of its side), good to hear that the substrate isn't vital as I think it was just cheap pebbles that I’m getting with it.

I know I will have way more questions when it comes to actually buying one; I am definitely looking to get a bright, probably blue one hopefully.

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Re: I was given a 10L tank
« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2013, 09:50:36 AM »
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That sounds fine. Fighters can get into smallish caves as they are very 'bendy' fish. They can bend themselves into a U, enabling them to manoeuvre in smallish spaces. They have to be able to wrap their bodies round the female when breeding.

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Re: I was given a 10L tank
« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2013, 09:59:36 AM »
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Dumbo ear bettas are pretty cute looking IMHO :P

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