10 Days In, Are My Test Readings To Be Expected For This Length Of Time

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Hooray, new fish.  :cheers:

Platies were my first fish, and I still have 2 females which were the offspring from the original fish.
Mine have a tendency to eat a lot, any type of food, there's no stopping them.  ::)  :)

I hope that yours settle in well, and I'm looking forward to seeing pictures.

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One died!!  it was the night I bought them  :'( :'(  I found the corpse yesterday morning. 
I did a water test and they were all 0.  ammonia, nitrite & nitrate.  I was warned it could happen, but I can't help feeling sad.

I couldn't believe how nervous I was when I went to buy them.   :yikes:  Cant wait to add some more.  I've had differing advice, wait one week or 2? - provided the water is ok of course

And now even my husband is taking an interest.  :) and my 6 mnth Granddaughter was fascinated watching them dart about.  I will post a pic soon

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I'm sorry to hear about the platy  :( The fish in the shop have been through a lot - being imported from the breeding farms, placed in the wholesaler's tanks, shipped to the shop, placed in the shop's tanks, chased with a net every time someone buys a fish from that tank, placed in a tiny bag, and finally released into yet another new tank. It is not surprising that some fish are so stressed they can't cope.


Since you did a fishless cycle you can get more straight away. The fish you have won't make enough ammonia to feed all the bacteria you have just grown so if you wait a couple of weeks they'll start to go dormant. But I'd stop at 75% of your planned fish for a few months. If there are any fish on your wish list that need a mature tank, as opposed to a cycled tank, they have to wait a few months anyway.

3 ppm ammonia was chosen for fishless cycling as it is more than a sensibly stocked tankful of fish will make in a day, but is low enough so that nitrite does not go higher than the stall point during cycling.

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How many more in one go would you suggest? 

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To be honest, as many fish as will take you up to 75% stocked. It is only cycling with fish that you have to add only a few at a time. With fishless cycling you can get all 75% of your wish list in one go.

What fish have you in mind?

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mollies, neon tetras, some sort of ground feeders and algae eaters for a start.  I have jotted down a list, but haven't done much more than basic research because I thought I would be waiting ages  :-\  Now I will have to look at water hardness, temp. compatibility etc  Maybe I can shop tomorrow or wed.

I'd be happy to accept suggestions

There is a small aquatic centre within 2 miles.  I visited a couple of times when I was thinking things through but then my son took over and he spent all my money elsewhere   so now I'm too embarrassed to go back,  :-[ although it seems silly to travel 25 - 30 miles round trip when I can get a lot of what I want locally - and support a small business.


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Ahhh.
Mollies and platies need hard water; neon tetras need soft water. I'm afraid they are not compatible.

Looking back through your thread I see that your hardness is 12 dH. This is actually too soft for mollies - they need 15 to 35 dH. Mollies tend to get something called the shimmies if the water is not hard enough.
The top of the range for neons is 12 dH but we should always aim to keep fish where the hardness is in the middle of their range, so neons should be in water where that hardness is around 6 dH.

Bottom feeders are corydoras and loaches, both of which are soft water fish.

Somewhere in the forum is a list of fish suitable for hard water. I'm having trouble finding it at the moment........

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Found it!
https://forums.thinkfish.co.uk/new-fishkeepers/list-of-fish-suitable-for-high-ph-and-hard-water/

But you need to bear in mind that your water is not very hard. Check with http://www.seriouslyfish.com/knowledge-base/ that any species you like the looks of has 12 dH or 215 ppm is in the middle of their hardness range.

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Being totally unscientific - unless its biology, all these numbers are, well, just numbers.  The Wessex Water website mentions, apart from calcium.
Degrees Clark (UK) 19.81  Degrees German (dh) 15.85   Degrees French (f) 28.3 and says
"Your water hardness  level is classified as hard"

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Yep, that's hard water.
If it's any consolation mine is 17dh (german).
It may take a while to find fish that you like that are suitable for your water, but they are available.
You will probably find soft water fish being kept in hard water conditions at your local fish shop, but for their long term health that really isn't good, so try not to fall for that sort of thing.

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Get some fish they said. It'll be easy, they just swim around all day and only need feeding   :rotfl: :rotfl: :fishy1:

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 :rotfl:

Yeah, these sorts of things are always "easy".  ;)

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It's the German degrees you need - 15.85. In fish profiles that's called dH or degrees. It converts to 283 ppm, the other unit used in fish profiles.

All you need to do is look up the fish that you like on Seriously Fish and scroll down to 'Water Conditions'. In that section, every profile gives the temp, pH and hardness that the species needs. Some profiles give the hardness range in dH, others in ppm.
Then compare your 15.8 dH/283 ppm to the range quoted in the profile. If your values are near the middle of that range, that species is OK for your water.

So of the fish you specifically mentioned:
platies - range 10 to 30 dH - your 15.85 dH is fine
mollies - 15 to 35 dH - your 15.85 dH is right on the lower edge
neon tetras - 18 to 215 ppm - your 283 ppm is too hard

Since your water is slightly harder than I realised, you might get away with mollies. These, like platies, need 3 females for every male.
Word of warning - male livebearers will try to mate with anything that swims  ;D

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Word of warning - male livebearers will try to mate with anything that swims  ;D

Good job I wasn't planning to get in with the fish then  :yikes:  :rotfl: :rotfl:

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 :o

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Word of warning - male livebearers will try to mate with anything that swims  ;D


Yesterday it was like watching a porn channel  :yikes: - not that I ever have  :rotfl:

a male platy spent all morning chasing a female all round the tank.  Thoughts!  maybe the effort killed him off  ;)

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