First Problem With New Tank

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Re: First problem with new tank
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2014, 08:43:52 PM »
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Thanks Bifster but on Friday morning when fish were looking as if they would die used untreated water for the first change and while it did calm down it did not clear. May have been reason for the big spike to 8 though if the dead bacteria cause that???

Any advice you think would help would be great but is there anything other than the water changes at moment? I guess my cycle will be screwed as well and will be starting again now.

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Re: First problem with new tank
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2014, 10:04:17 PM »
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evolution aquarium pure works wonders in settling
tank in well worth a punt tenner a tub

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Re: First problem with new tank
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2014, 10:44:09 PM »
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Ta will give it a try once crisis is over.

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Re: First problem with new tank
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2014, 11:53:28 PM »
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it will help sort the crisis out it contain enzymes
and friendly bacteria suspended in a special jell
works wonders i would get some tomorrow put about
ten pieces in test 24 hours later you will get a surprise   

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Re: First problem with new tank
« Reply #24 on: November 03, 2014, 11:46:59 AM »
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Well good news ammonia did not rise much overnight though tank still cloudy. A 50% change has me below .25 yeh. Will go and get Evolution Aquarium Pure now Biffster and give it a go looking forward to surprise ;D

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Re: First problem with new tank
« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2014, 11:52:07 AM »
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it clears cloudy tanks

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Re: First problem with new tank
« Reply #26 on: November 04, 2014, 04:25:31 PM »
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Hi Folks

Used the Aqua pure yesterday Biffster tank is clearing though bit to go yet at least I can see the fish now when at back of tank. Ammonia increase now very small but still got up to 0.5 so did another 50% change. However pH is not stable yet coming up to 7.4 after change and dropping to 6.8 by next day. Have replaced all the plants but decided not to reintroduce the bog wood I removed as the piece that is left is enough. Cory's are far more active today cleaning the bog wood seem to like that area and perhaps the plants being replaced help. Think I am winning the battle but did not realise the work involved in this fishkeeping lark cannot remember this effort as I boy but perhaps we did not look after our water so well in those days :))
Thanks again all for help
Tom

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Re: First problem with new tank
« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2014, 06:53:26 PM »
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There is a school of thought that says water companies have got better at killing bacteria in recent decades. Since the source of the filter bacteria is the water supply, maybe it's that fewer of them are making it through to our tanks.
Then there are the fish. There are more species available now, and most of the newer ones are more delicate. And the ones that have been available for decades are often now bred in fish farms where they can be dosed heavily with antibiotics, then when they are put into tanks with no antibiotics they fall prey to every infection going. And some breeders use any fish for breeding from regardless of the health of the fish, resulting in weaker fish appearing in the shops.

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Re: First problem with new tank
« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2014, 08:58:59 PM »
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yes filter bacteria as been reduced by the water company's getting better
at dealing with it

but weak and pale sickly looking fish is down to line breeding of fish and
inter breeding siblings with siblings and vice a versa and most of the weaknesses being genetic
i once saw a line breeding program it shocked me a bit how poor quality the fish were i try to buy
wild caught fish if i can   

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Re: First problem with new tank
« Reply #29 on: November 05, 2014, 09:28:05 AM »
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My fish have been pretty resilient getting through this cannot complain about them but they may be complaining about me!

Reading further about water quality I note that I also have very soft water and therefore may be lacking carbonates. Should I add crushed coral to see if pH stabilises and possibly tank cycles quicker?
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PS ammonia has stayed below 0.25 for first time overnight and water clarity improved again.

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Re: First problem with new tank
« Reply #30 on: November 05, 2014, 11:19:22 AM »
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ammonia is less toxic in low ph acid water i use crushed cockle shell
as a ph stabilizer its great stuff i have used it for years as it can rise
ph slowly and naturally well worth checking out




ps mad bms how do you clean your filters out
what size tank and filter do you have ???

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Re: First problem with new tank
« Reply #31 on: November 05, 2014, 01:31:34 PM »
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The filter bacteria do need carbonate in the water to multiply. If you have very soft water (ie low GH) it is likely you'll also have low KH. You could take a sample of tapwater to a shop and ask them to test the KH.

If you do have low KH, crushed shells, as biffster says, will increase KH, GH and pH slightly. As will anything made of calcium carbonate such as limestone and coral. If there's room for it, a bag of crushed coral in the filter would do the job.

The other thing you could think about is using remineralisation salts of the kind added to RO water. This would necessitate using the salts at every water change though as swings in GH in particular are bad for fish.

I have KH 3, and since he lives only a few miles from me I expect biffster also has low KH. This was only a problem several years ago when I got very lazy and didn't do water changes for two or three weeks - and suffered a pH crash. Doing water changes every week without fail has kept things stable since then.

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Re: First problem with new tank
« Reply #32 on: November 06, 2014, 01:13:40 PM »
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Thanks both sorry about delay in replying as tank was behaving went out yesterday :cheers:

Biffster I have an Aqua Oak 340L tank with a JBL CristalProfi filter. I am rinsing filters in removed tank water about once a fortnight though did do it an extra time when this occurred. Hope that is enough.

Using a JBL stick test both Kh and Gh are very low but pH has settled at 7.2 today before I did a further 60-70% change this morning as ammonia although less than 1.0 was rising again. I am away Friday to Sunday so wanted to make sure would be ok though my son who is also a new fishkeeper is going to check tank on Saturday.

The water is now absolutely clear and I removed a scum from surface while doing change so hopefully I will get back to weekly small changes until cycle completes. I will also get some coral or limestone to put in filter.
Thanks again

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Re: First problem with new tank
« Reply #33 on: November 06, 2014, 01:14:50 PM »
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Sorry it is a 1501 CristalProfi filter

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