Aquaone Nano 40 Set Up

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Offline Loubaa

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aquaone nano 40 set up
« on: May 02, 2014, 04:18:49 PM »
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Hi all
I have this fish tank which I am in the process of setting up in my classroom. I am planning a small community of freshwater tropical fish. The water is around ph7.4, and quite hard (we get quite a bit of limescale). So far all I have done is filled it with a layer of gravel and water.
The instructions that came with the tank are a little vague for a newbie so I was hoping that someone here might be able to help!

1. My LFS sold me some AP1 stress coat. Do I add this straight away?
2. They also gave me some AP1 quick start. Now, I have read a lot about fishless cycle but they said in the shop I didn't need to do that and I could use this quick start stuff, and that I could bring my water in to them to be tested everyday until it was ready. I kind of trust them because they are a very well-established, specialist fish shop, but...
3. I also asked them about the choice of fish, thinking I couldn't have things like tetras because of the hard water, they told me I could have any of the community fish they stock (size of tank permitting) because they have all been raised in that water and are accustomed to it.
4. Also I didn't think I could have tetras because of the swimming space in the tank - it is 55l but a cube. I would love some bright tetras, but...

Sorry this is so long, but I want to do the best for my fishies and realise the tank is not big.
I went on to aqua advisor and put in the dimensions of my tank to see which fish combinations might work. What do people think of their fish calculator generally?

Thanks

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Re: aquaone nano 40 set up
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2014, 05:04:40 PM »
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Tank instructions are usually not very helpful, and neither are most shops.

The stress coat is needed, you should add it straight away. It removes the chlorine or chloramine added by the water company to kill bacteria in the water supply. It will also kill the bacteria you want to grow in the filter and when you have fish it will irritate them too. It should be added when the tank is first set up, then to the new water whenever you do a water change.

Quick start is a bottled bacteria product. Unfortunately it contains the wrong species of one of the two bacteria. There are only two products that contain the right one because the companies that make them have copyrighted the use of the correct bacteria so no-one else can use it.
Shops always ridicule fishless cycling. Either they don't understand it or they are afraid their customers won't understand it. I would strongly recommend you do a fishless cycle; because it is a classroom tank, will you have access to it at weekends and holidays? If you use the quick start you may well find you have to do daily water changes which could be a problem at weekends. You can use the quick start, if it helps it will speed things up. The danger is that you could add the quick start, the shop then does the tests and tells you to get fish, but without fish or ammonia from a bottle, the tests will show good results - until you add the fish. If the quick start has done nothing, you will then find yourself doing a fish-in cycle, which requires daily water changes, sometimes several changes a day if there are a lot of fish.
My advice would be to get a liquid reagent test kit (cheaper on-line) and a bottle of ammonia from the cleaning section at Homebase or from Amazon/Ebay. The follow the instructions in the filtration and cycling section here

Fish - provided you avoid fish that are known to do better if soft alkaline water, you should be OK. Though choosing fish that like hard alkaline water is better. With a cube shaped tank you need to avoid fast swimmers as they need a fair amount of horizontal room to zoom about in.
If you like bright fish, have a look at endlers. If you shop around you should be able to find several different pattern types. But males only. Livebearers like endlers breed worse than rabbits and while it would be educational for the pupils, you'd soon be very overstocked. Besides, the females are plain grey  :D
Another choice would be guppies, again only males, but they are more delicate than endlers.
Golden pencilfish aka beckford's pencilfish would be OK, they do have red in them
Fish of the pseudomugil genus - the most common ones are P gertrudae, P signifer and P furcatus. They would be better in a longer tank but they could be OK in yours. Have a look at the website seriously fish for their profiles.
Scarlet badis (Dario dario) though they can be picky feeders.

Just a few suggestions  :D

aquadvisor has a terrible reputation. Have you looked at the community creator on here? Go to fish profiles, click on any fish and down at the bottom of each profile is the CC. You do have to register then log in separately from the forum to be able to save your info - use your email address not your user name.

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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2014, 05:35:35 PM »
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I have an Aquanano40 tank with water of pH 7.4, but I mix it 50:50 with rain water to bring it down to a hardness of 8ºdH. Do you know what your hardness is? If you're living in the SouthEast thn it's probably around the 16 mark. Mixing with rain water also reduces the Nitrate content of your tap water. Mines very high due to fertiliser run-off from the farmer's fields. (I'm near Aylesbury.) Your water supplier (Thames Water?) will have a page on their web-site where you enter your post code and they direct you to your nearest water test analysis.

Your fish shop is correct to say that tank bred specimins are far more adaptable to water parameters than wild caught, and I've got Cherry Barbs, Five Banded Barbs, Lemon Tetras and Neon Tetras in my water.

Just a quick word of warning about the Cube40. Take care with the little plastic clips - they break easily! (Guess how I know? >:()

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Re: aquaone nano 40 set up
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2014, 06:34:13 PM »
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Thanks for your advice. The more I think about it the more I think I should go fishless... The kids will be gutted tho'. ColinB can you remember how long your fishless cycle took? I'd really like to get fish before the summer holidays!!
Also Colin - the fish you list are the ones in your nano?
I had my eye on Galaxy Rasboras (5or6) and some little corys (5 or 6) at the bottom. Plus maybe 3 dwarf mollies or a gourami. What do you think?
I will also check out the community tool - thanks.

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Re: aquaone nano 40 set up
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2014, 07:01:55 PM »
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Galaxy rasboras might be OK, though they do need water a bit more on the acidic side than yours.
Cories could be a problem as the floor of the tank isn't very big being a cube. The dwarf varieties also prefer water that's more acidic and softer than yours.
Unfortunately there are no such things as dwarf mollies. All the common species get far too big for your tank.

Gouramis - you'd need small ones. Honey gouramis are the smallest of the typical gouramis, you might get away with them in your water. Another gourami you might get away with is the sparkling gourami, Trichopsis pumila.

And I've just remembered Danio erythromicron! They would fit and like hard alkaline water.



I did a fishless cycle last year using the old method, and that took me 7 weeks. I haven't personally used the newer method but it is reputed to be faster.

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Re: aquaone nano 40 set up
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2014, 07:46:50 PM »
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Thanks Sue. I've been onto the fish profile section here and got a few more ideas. It seems you were right about aqua advisor as the opinions are very different! Panda corys sound OK for my tank based on the profile here. For some reason, I am completely smitten by the corys...I may have to get my own (bigger) tank!
5 band barbs look like they might be suitable too?
What is the new (quicker!) method of fishless cycling please?

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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2014, 09:00:31 PM »
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The new fishless cycling method is the link I gave you a few posts back. In case you missed it (as the blue link word was very small) it's here http://www.thinkfish.co.uk/forum/index.php/board,8.0.html It has been designed to keep the level of nitrite lowish. The old method involved adding a big dose of ammonia every time that fell to zero. This resulted in the nitrite level getting very high, and it is now known that high levels of nitrite stall the cycle. And it also now known that the ammonia eating bacteria do not starve to death in a day if they aren't fed as used to be thought. So the new method uses this new knowledge about the ammonia eaters not starving to keep the amount of ammonia solution added to a minimum, which in turn stops the nitrite level passing that critical stall point. The reason the old method took so long was simply due to the high levels of nitrite.


Seriously fish does say panda cories can be kept in a tank with a floor 45 x 30cm so it looks like they'd be OK for the tank size. But it says 80 x 30cm for the barbs, I'm afraid.


Of course, as you say, you could always get your own bigger tank ;) There is a well known condition called MTS (multiple tank syndrome), characterised by the strong desire to have more and more tanks. I should warn you that is it incurable  ;D

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Re: aquaone nano 40 set up
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2014, 09:02:44 PM »
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Take a peek at the sticky on the filtration and cycling section. You will find the new method there. I'm doing my first ever tank cycle too.

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Re: aquaone nano 40 set up
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2014, 10:50:17 PM »
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Oh Well, if it's incurable I'd better just go with it...  ;) Will get this one up and running first tho'!!

Thanks for the link.

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Re: aquaone nano 40 set up
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2014, 08:01:28 AM »
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Sue, your version of the fishless cycle is very clear and straightforward - I actually understand it now...I think...
The only problem is I'm planning a short holiday in about 4 weeks. Will all my bacteria die off if I don't give them a dose of ammonia for a few days?

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« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2014, 01:31:28 PM »
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How long is the holiday? If it is only a few days, give the tank a 1ppm dose of ammonia as you leave the house, then another as you walk back in after. That should keep them fed for up to 4 days. If it will be longer, is there anyone you trust who could come in, measure out the amount of ammonia you tell them (for 1ppm) and put it in the tank? They won't need to measure anything. When I had to go away to my father in law's funeral in the middle of a cycle, my 88 year old mother, who lives with us, added a dose and she had no problem just sucking some liquid into a syringe.

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Re: aquaone nano 40 set up
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2014, 02:47:42 PM »
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Hi I also have a aqua nano 40 aquarium. Just a quick top tip regarding its filtration... Cut the large black sponge in half, that way its far easier to remove in the future for filter maintenance. :fishy1:

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Re: aquaone nano 40 set up
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2014, 07:23:38 PM »
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Following this, as this is the tank I am thinking of buying.

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Re: aquaone nano 40 set up
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2014, 07:29:39 PM »
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Puffin, do you know if your water is soft or hard? Loubaa's is hard and alkaline which restricts the kind of fish that are suitable. There are more fish that would go nicely in this tank that prefer soft acid water.

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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2014, 12:45:26 AM »
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Quite soft I believe. We certainly don't have to descale our kettle. :)

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« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2014, 10:30:17 AM »
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One of the things I've done with the Cube40 is to cut the black filter sponge right down to about 2" thick. Then I've bought a sheet of white filter floss to cut to size to put under the black sponge, and then bought some more filter media (Biohome Ultimate) to put in a net bag inside the first filter chamber below the sponges.

I only did this last week so there's little to report, but I was finding the sponge had clogged so much that it was restricting water flow through the filter. There's much better flow now.

However; I have noticed my Nitrate reading go up slightly and I wonder if the sponge had a lot of Nitrate eating bugglies in it. I know it takes several months for Nitrate bugglies to get established and that sponge was two years old. I will keep an eye on it and report back.

I'm also in the process of doing other things with the tank to reduce the amount of brown algae, but I'm only 10 days into that so will report back at the end of the month - but encouraging signs so far.

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Re: aquaone nano 40 set up
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2014, 12:28:34 PM »
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I'll let Colin help you with the tank itself as he's got one.
As for fish, with soft water you have much more choice. I'll run through them with you a bit later as I'm about to be nagged that it's lunch time  ;D . If you choose to do a fishless cycle (the easiest way) you have plenty time to think about fish.

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Re: aquaone nano 40 set up
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2014, 01:15:21 PM »
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Hi
Thanks for the advice, Sue. I'm only away for 4 days max so I think I'll manage. I'd like to add some real plants and stones. Can I use slate and/or beach pebbles if I clean them thoroughly?

I tested some of my tap water today having left it to stand overnight and my GH degrees reading was 8, which I have read is classed as medium? Is that right? If so my water may be softer than I thought.

Puffin - Sue directed me to seriously fish which I have found really useful and also I've had lots of fin playing with the community creator!!

Colinb and Daniel - at the risk of sounding stupid, do you mean cutting the sponge to half it's depth, not length?

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« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2014, 02:08:00 PM »
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You could actually leave the tank longer than 4 days. We now know that the filter bacteria don't die off quickly, they go dormant without food. The longer they are dormant, the longer it takes them to become active again. So leaving the tank for more than 4 days would just mean the bacteria would have to 'wake up' when you got back, and the cycle would take a bit longer.

My tapwater is just a bit softer than yours. With that hardness, you do have a lot more choice of fish. Just avoid the ones that can't cope with anything other than very soft. Seriously fish will flag them up.
The only problem with the fish profiles on here is that it doesn't have a lot of fish in it. That's why I use SF.


Stones from the beach - they will need lots of washing to get rid of the salt water on them. And they will need sterilising too. Pour boiling water over them, and if they are not porous, you can soak in bleach. Don't put them in a pan then boil them as you'll read to do as some stones have air pockets inside and if left to boil away they can explode. Just pour the boiling water over them.

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« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2014, 03:00:29 PM »
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Hey - where did my reply go?

Sue's answered a lot of what I replied, so just about the sponge.....

I've cut mine to about 2". It still squeezes into the space at the back, but the water only travels through 2" of sponge on it's way through from top to bottom.

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