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Offline Wil7985

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Ammonia spike
« on: October 16, 2016, 07:03:10 PM »
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I have for some reason a spike in my ammonia levels, between 1/2 ppm. I have been doing 25% water changes but it seems to be hanging around that figure,. What do people think of these ammonia remover's that can be added to the water, are they any good ?. My tank was well cycled and my water test's have been good until I added 4 tiger barb's a couple of days ago, it seems like my tank is struggling to cope with these at moment, any ideas folks?.

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Re: Ammonia spike
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2016, 07:12:39 PM »
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I haven't used any ammonia removers in my tanks, but elsewhere on the forum Seachem Prime has been mentioned as a water conditioner that deals with ammonia, so it might be worth trying that with a water change.

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Re: Ammonia spike
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2016, 07:39:56 PM »
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There are two types of ammonia remover.

Zeolite and similar products absorb ammonia removing it from the water. The problem is that the ammonia is no longer available to the bacteria in the tank so they never multiply to enough numbers to 'eat' this ammonia. And these products get full and stop absorbing ammonia. This ties you into changing the product before it gets full forever. Failure to change it in time results in another ammonia spike.

There are products that temporarily convert ammonia to a less toxic form, and are found in a lot of dechlorinators. The effect lasts about 24 hours which means water changes still need to be done every day, but at least the ammonia in the tank doesn't harm the fish as much. The 'detoxified' ammonia still shows up in our test kits.

Ammonia exists in 2 forms in our tanks, ammonia and the less toxic ammonium. The proportion in each form depends on the pH and temperature of the water. One thing you can do is enter your ammonia reading, pH and temperature in this ammonia calculator (set salinity to zero) and click calculate. You want the lower figure, NH3 concentration. This figure should be kept under 0.02, though up to 0.05 is tolerable for a day or two.



Can I ask what the filter is, and more importantly, what media are inside it?
And when you say you did a fishless cycle, was that following the method on here by adding ammonia or just letting the tank run without fish?
And have you tested for nitrite? If your ammonia is spiking, nitrite could well spike as well, though that would occur shortly after the ammonia spike.


According the the Community Creator on here, your tank is not stocked to the limit, but your fish are not in big enough shoals. It is recommended to have at least 6 in a shoal, and tiger barbs are better with at least 10 of them to keep their nippy behaviour within their shoal. Unfortunately, a 60 litre tank is not big enough for so many tiger barbs.


I do wonder if your problem is either that your fishless cycle was just running the tank empty, or that there is something about the media in the filter, for example cartridges containing zeolite which have just become full. If you could let us know about these two points we'll be better able to advise.



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Re: Ammonia spike
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2016, 05:51:41 AM »
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I have done 4 25% water changes over the last 4 days, washed the filter sponge in old tank water (it was minging) . Water test 24 hours later and ammonia/nitrate etc are back to zero (fingers crossed), will keep a eye on it. I have been using tap-safe for the fresh water, do you think I should treat the water with seachem prime or similar?. The ammonia calculator gives me a reading of 0.009

A Selection of Fish in my Fish Community Creator Tanks
Black Neon Tetra (4) - Lemon Tetra (4) - Tiger Barb (4) - Rosy Barb (5) - Black Molly (2) - Swordtail (female) (2) -
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Re: Ammonia spike
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2016, 06:32:20 AM »
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Well done, your fish will be very happy with that level  :)

As Sue has mentioned, if you can let us know what is in your filter, etc. that will help us to get to the root cause of your ammonia spike, which will help us to give you the best advice for your situation.

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Re: Ammonia spike
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2016, 07:37:37 AM »
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Re the filter, It's an internal type with a black sponge. Hdom AP600-L if that means anything to anyone, seems to pump plenty of water though.

A Selection of Fish in my Fish Community Creator Tanks
Black Neon Tetra (4) - Lemon Tetra (4) - Tiger Barb (4) - Rosy Barb (5) - Black Molly (2) - Swordtail (female) (2) -
Note: The user may not necessarily own these fish, these are tanks that they may be building or researching for stocking purposes


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Re: Ammonia spike
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2016, 08:10:12 AM »
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I have done 4 25% water changes over the last 4 days, washed the filter sponge in old tank water (it was minging) . Water test 24 hours later and ammonia/nitrate etc are back to zero (fingers crossed), will keep a eye on it. I have been using tap-safe for the fresh water, do you think I should treat the water with seachem prime or similar?. The ammonia calculator gives me a reading of 0.009
Hopefully it's the ammonia and nitrIte that are back to 0. Some level of nitrAte is normal; if not, the cycle may not be properly established / filter properly prepared to process waste. If you can tell us a little more about when you started the fishless cycle, when you completed it, what brand or source of ammonia you used for it, and how long the ammonia and nitrIte readings had been at 0 before you put the fish in, this will all help us give you a better indication of whether this is likely to settle or continue to fluctuate for a while yet (as well as whether it would be worth getting some Seachem Prime - NB the only similar product is Seachem Safe, as no other product does what it does). Thanks.  :)

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Re: Ammonia spike
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2016, 08:00:11 AM »
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Just an update, my tank has been fine now for a week,so hopefully settled down now.

A Selection of Fish in my Fish Community Creator Tanks
Black Neon Tetra (4) - Lemon Tetra (4) - Tiger Barb (4) - Rosy Barb (5) - Black Molly (2) - Swordtail (female) (2) -
Note: The user may not necessarily own these fish, these are tanks that they may be building or researching for stocking purposes


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Re: Ammonia spike
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2016, 08:34:56 AM »
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Great news @Wil7985
Congratulations  :cheers:

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