10 Days In, Are My Test Readings To Be Expected For This Length Of Time

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Looking at your earlier post, you have KH: 15  GH: 12 . Can you check your water/utility website, input your postcode, and find out exactly what your water hardness level is, in terms of CaCO3 or degrees Clark/French/German, just to ensure that it "tallies" with your test kit results? That way, we'll be able to provide some suitable suggestions of fish whose requirements would fit in with your water parameters, and @Littlefish in particular is an expert on hard water fish (in fact, there can't be many which she doesn't have already or at least hasn't considered ;)).

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I can't encourage anyone to take the same approach as I have (numerous tanks, some slightly weird stuff, and several containers of RO water so I can keep fish that perhaps I shouldn't really...  :o ), but this thread contains a list that you may find useful to start with https://forums.thinkfish.co.uk/new-fishkeepers/list-of-fish-suitable-for-high-ph-and-hard-water/
However hard your water (mine is 17dH), there are lots of fish that will be suitable.  :)

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Did a big water change this morning, didn't go quite to plan. I'd hoped to remove it out of the house by hose, but ended up using a bucket. Good job one of my sons was here for the muscle. At least the water butt is now full  :)

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I do water changes with a bucket. Two buckets to be precise. I can lift more water for the outwards water as that only has to leave the floor by an inch so I can use a 12 litre bucket for that. But I have to lift the new water bucket onto a stool, and since my dechlorinator dose rate is 1 drop per 4.75 litres, I use a 10 litre bucket filled to 9.5 litres to refill.
The longest part is waiting for the kettle to boil for each bucket of new water.

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FYI You will need to keep adding 1ppm ammonia each day until you get your fish if you are not getting them tomorrow to keep the bacteria you hace worked so hard to grow alive. (And then repeat the water change before you get fish).

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Actually, it's not 1 ppm every day
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If you canít get to the shop as soon as the cycle has finished, add the one-third dose every 2 to 3 days to keep the bacteria fed, then do the big water change just before you go fish shopping.

If it will be 10 days or longer it would be worth adding 3 ppm a couple of days before going fish shopping just to check you still have two zeros after 24 hours.

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I got 5 Platy's, (5s were on offer!!) mixed colours. fingers (or should it be fins  ;) ) crossed they all survive

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They should be fine in your water. You do realise that you'll now be pestered for photos  ;D



Just to check - males, females or a mixture? And if a mixture, how many m and how many f?

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Just to check - males, females or a mixture? And if a mixture, how many m and how many f?

Ooops!!!  no idea.  mistake number one, I should have found out.  I will have to study them and try and work it out   :vcross:

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With 5 you need a maximum of two males. One would be better. Or all males or all females. The reason is that livebearer males pester females continuously. If there are more females than males each female gets time out while they chase another. Ideally the ratio is 1 male to 3 or more females.

Since you have only just got them, if you have a bad male:female ratio, see if the shop will swap some.



And don't forget that every female will have fry once a month  :) Even with all females, if they've ever been in a tank with a male they'll be carrying sperm packets and can have fry for another 6 months or so.

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Hooray, new fish.  :cheers:

Platies were my first fish, and I still have 2 females which were the offspring from the original fish.
Mine have a tendency to eat a lot, any type of food, there's no stopping them.  ::)  :)

I hope that yours settle in well, and I'm looking forward to seeing pictures.

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One died!!  it was the night I bought them  :'( :'(  I found the corpse yesterday morning. 
I did a water test and they were all 0.  ammonia, nitrite & nitrate.  I was warned it could happen, but I can't help feeling sad.

I couldn't believe how nervous I was when I went to buy them.   :yikes:  Cant wait to add some more.  I've had differing advice, wait one week or 2? - provided the water is ok of course

And now even my husband is taking an interest.  :) and my 6 mnth Granddaughter was fascinated watching them dart about.  I will post a pic soon

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I'm sorry to hear about the platy  :( The fish in the shop have been through a lot - being imported from the breeding farms, placed in the wholesaler's tanks, shipped to the shop, placed in the shop's tanks, chased with a net every time someone buys a fish from that tank, placed in a tiny bag, and finally released into yet another new tank. It is not surprising that some fish are so stressed they can't cope.


Since you did a fishless cycle you can get more straight away. The fish you have won't make enough ammonia to feed all the bacteria you have just grown so if you wait a couple of weeks they'll start to go dormant. But I'd stop at 75% of your planned fish for a few months. If there are any fish on your wish list that need a mature tank, as opposed to a cycled tank, they have to wait a few months anyway.

3 ppm ammonia was chosen for fishless cycling as it is more than a sensibly stocked tankful of fish will make in a day, but is low enough so that nitrite does not go higher than the stall point during cycling.

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How many more in one go would you suggest? 

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To be honest, as many fish as will take you up to 75% stocked. It is only cycling with fish that you have to add only a few at a time. With fishless cycling you can get all 75% of your wish list in one go.

What fish have you in mind?

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mollies, neon tetras, some sort of ground feeders and algae eaters for a start.  I have jotted down a list, but haven't done much more than basic research because I thought I would be waiting ages  :-\  Now I will have to look at water hardness, temp. compatibility etc  Maybe I can shop tomorrow or wed.

I'd be happy to accept suggestions

There is a small aquatic centre within 2 miles.  I visited a couple of times when I was thinking things through but then my son took over and he spent all my money elsewhere   so now I'm too embarrassed to go back,  :-[ although it seems silly to travel 25 - 30 miles round trip when I can get a lot of what I want locally - and support a small business.


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Ahhh.
Mollies and platies need hard water; neon tetras need soft water. I'm afraid they are not compatible.

Looking back through your thread I see that your hardness is 12 dH. This is actually too soft for mollies - they need 15 to 35 dH. Mollies tend to get something called the shimmies if the water is not hard enough.
The top of the range for neons is 12 dH but we should always aim to keep fish where the hardness is in the middle of their range, so neons should be in water where that hardness is around 6 dH.

Bottom feeders are corydoras and loaches, both of which are soft water fish.

Somewhere in the forum is a list of fish suitable for hard water. I'm having trouble finding it at the moment........

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Found it!
https://forums.thinkfish.co.uk/new-fishkeepers/list-of-fish-suitable-for-high-ph-and-hard-water/

But you need to bear in mind that your water is not very hard. Check with http://www.seriouslyfish.com/knowledge-base/ that any species you like the looks of has 12 dH or 215 ppm is in the middle of their hardness range.

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Being totally unscientific - unless its biology, all these numbers are, well, just numbers.  The Wessex Water website mentions, apart from calcium.
Degrees Clark (UK) 19.81  Degrees German (dh) 15.85   Degrees French (f) 28.3 and says
"Your water hardness  level is classified as hard"

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Yep, that's hard water.
If it's any consolation mine is 17dh (german).
It may take a while to find fish that you like that are suitable for your water, but they are available.
You will probably find soft water fish being kept in hard water conditions at your local fish shop, but for their long term health that really isn't good, so try not to fall for that sort of thing.

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Get some fish they said. It'll be easy, they just swim around all day and only need feeding   :rotfl: :rotfl: :fishy1:

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 :rotfl:

Yeah, these sorts of things are always "easy".  ;)

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It's the German degrees you need - 15.85. In fish profiles that's called dH or degrees. It converts to 283 ppm, the other unit used in fish profiles.

All you need to do is look up the fish that you like on Seriously Fish and scroll down to 'Water Conditions'. In that section, every profile gives the temp, pH and hardness that the species needs. Some profiles give the hardness range in dH, others in ppm.
Then compare your 15.8 dH/283 ppm to the range quoted in the profile. If your values are near the middle of that range, that species is OK for your water.

So of the fish you specifically mentioned:
platies - range 10 to 30 dH - your 15.85 dH is fine
mollies - 15 to 35 dH - your 15.85 dH is right on the lower edge
neon tetras - 18 to 215 ppm - your 283 ppm is too hard

Since your water is slightly harder than I realised, you might get away with mollies. These, like platies, need 3 females for every male.
Word of warning - male livebearers will try to mate with anything that swims  ;D

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Word of warning - male livebearers will try to mate with anything that swims  ;D

Good job I wasn't planning to get in with the fish then  :yikes:  :rotfl: :rotfl:

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 :o

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Word of warning - male livebearers will try to mate with anything that swims  ;D


Yesterday it was like watching a porn channel  :yikes: - not that I ever have  :rotfl:

a male platy spent all morning chasing a female all round the tank.  Thoughts!  maybe the effort killed him off  ;)

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