IT'S DONE YAY

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Offline Aquarius Barbara

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Re: IT'S DONE YAY
« Reply #60 on: October 16, 2017, 07:56:17 PM »
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When I first set the tank up I overdid the ammonia, after a few days use some put Tetra Safe Start Water Conditioner, 50 ml into the water, but since then have done a 90% water change and not added any more, my plants were from a plant only tank from a shop, I added some amazon swords from Andy earlier in the week I think they were from a tank with fish but it was going up before I added them.
 
The Plant food is " Love Fish Plant Food is nitrate and phosphate free so avoids encouraging unwanted algae."
I have only added 20 ml of this over that last 2 weeks as it is a weekly feed.

My Plants are growing I can see new growth on all and the grass that died off is sprouting in some places as well so all seems good for them.

I do still have the fine sponge in the filter alongside the carbon one should I maybe take that out now.?

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Re: IT'S DONE YAY
« Reply #61 on: October 16, 2017, 07:59:57 PM »
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If you remove anything I would remove the carbon  :)

In that case I would just wait until the tank can get rid of all the ammonia. Once the plants are growing really well, it shouldn't take too long. And just ignore the nitrate for now. Once you do have fish, you can test nitrate then to make sure it doesn't go over 20 ppm.

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Re: IT'S DONE YAY
« Reply #62 on: October 16, 2017, 10:08:47 PM »
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The carbon will be removing the fertiliser and getting clogged by it so I would agree on removing it

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Re: IT'S DONE YAY
« Reply #63 on: October 18, 2017, 05:27:05 PM »
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So what should I put in place of it. ?


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Re: IT'S DONE YAY
« Reply #64 on: October 18, 2017, 07:07:47 PM »
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What is the carbon? It could be a bag of granules, a carbon impregnated sponge or a cartridge (a flat bag of carbon held on a plastic frame). What to replace it with depends on what shape it is.

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Re: IT'S DONE YAY
« Reply #65 on: October 18, 2017, 08:41:37 PM »
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It is a carbon impregnated sponge you can have a look at the filter here.

http://www.interpet.co.uk/Media/InterpetUK/Skoo/2201/2201_7.pdf

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Re: IT'S DONE YAY
« Reply #66 on: October 18, 2017, 09:09:57 PM »
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In that case, all you need is another piece of sponge, any brand, and cut it to the same size and shape as the carbon sponge. I would look for a cheap filter sponge so that it will be the right type of sponge. A bath sponge isn't, for example. (Some sponges are designed to hold water, others to allow water to run through them. Obviously filter sponges need to be the kind that let water run trough  ;D )

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Re: IT'S DONE YAY
« Reply #67 on: October 19, 2017, 01:51:18 PM »
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I have ordered some thanks,  we have just had a card from Northumbrian Water they are going to be cleaning the pipes between the 26th oct-1st nov  I am hoping this is not going to cause any problems after all the work I have put into getting the tank right.   ::)

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Re: IT'S DONE YAY
« Reply #68 on: October 19, 2017, 03:42:59 PM »
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I have't had problems when they've done that because I do a bigger than usual water change the day before the first date on the card and the next one at least 2 days after the second date. That way anything in the pipes has had chance to be flushed out before I put any water in my tanks.
It is annoying though when you get a second card saying they couldn't do it the first time so they'll be doing it instead on these new dates.

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Re: IT'S DONE YAY
« Reply #69 on: October 19, 2017, 05:11:21 PM »
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I was thinking that might be worth doing but as not finished cycling yet might not have fish by then anyway so will be lucky. I forgot to do reading today and it is getting too dark to get good readings now so will do it in the morning. fingers crossed it is ok. B xx

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Re: IT'S DONE YAY
« Reply #70 on: October 20, 2017, 09:23:31 PM »
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Ok so The tests today are.
PH: 7.4 ish,
Ammonia: 0
Nitrate: 20-30
Nitrite: 0

I was worried about the Nitrate so took a sample to A.M. Aquatics on the team valley Gateshead they tested my water and it is ready to go. I showed him all my reading he did a test with their testing equipment and all was spot on with my readings. I bought 2 Assasin snails as I am getting loads of Malaysian snails after a bit chat with him, he suggested that my tank will get overrun with them and would be better with Assasins as they do not breed as much and will be just as good for the tank. Tomorrow I am picking up my first fish  Yippee.... :fishy1: :fishy1: :fishy1: :fishy1: :fishy1:

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Re: IT'S DONE YAY
« Reply #71 on: October 20, 2017, 10:15:41 PM »
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Take it slowly with the fish, not too many to start with. And test every day till you are sure that ammonia and nitrite stay at zero. This is the only problem about cycling with plants, the cycle runs differently  ;D

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Re: IT'S DONE YAY
« Reply #72 on: October 20, 2017, 11:01:32 PM »
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I am getting some neons as he says they would be fine, and happy to test everyday fingers crossed. Thank You to everyone that has helped me out I am very happy it has finally worked. Bxxxx :cheers:

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Re: IT'S DONE YAY
« Reply #73 on: October 21, 2017, 09:01:43 AM »
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Barbara, if you read this before you go out - neons should be OK.

But........
Don't believe anything a fish shop tells you - first rule of fish keeping. Yes there are some good ones but they are very few and far between so it is safer to assume they are all talking rubbish. The problem we have at the moment is that there still seems to be something wrong with Seriously Fish so we can't check on there - their profile pages are blank.
For example, very very few shop owners/workers know anything about cycling. Most of them don't know what the word means.

With plants in the tank you can't use enough ammonia to cycle for a tank full of fish so you need to take things slowly so that the plants can use all the ammonia made by the fish. As the plants get bigger they'll be able to use more ammonia, so then you can get more fish.

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Re: IT'S DONE YAY
« Reply #74 on: October 21, 2017, 10:00:44 AM »
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@Aquarius Barbara new fish day is very exciting. Please post pics when your fish have settled.  ;D

@Sue I'm glad that you mentioned problems with the SF site as I was wondering where all the information was and thought it was a problem with my computer.  ::)

As for information and advice given at fish stores, it can be very variable. I've only been enjoying the wonderful world of fish for a couple of years, and have spent a lot of time at various stores talking to the staff and listening to them talk to other customers. I have checked information given with that available on various sites, and also here, and am now generally comfortable with who to listen to at the shops. I have even met a member of staff at a branch of Pets@Home who gave me a faily detailed grilling about my tank and quarantine tank when I wanted to buy some otocinclus (there were none in stock at the stores I'd usually go to). This lady was very firm about the requirement for fishless cycling, and also only adding otos to mature tanks. I was quite pleased with what I witnessed, so perhaps some P@H are more reliable than others.
Last weekend I was at a local MA and saw them testing the water sample that a customer had brought , as she'd had a problem with her fishless cycle. After testing the sample and talking to the customer they found that she'd rinsed the filter media in tap water. They explained the problem to her, told her what to do, and refused to sell her any fish, telling her to return with another sample when the cycle was back on track.
Yesterday I was at an independant LFS to pick up some live food, and was chatting with a member of staff who I trust. He'd gone to the George V Joe aquascaping competition recently, and had taken a detour or more than 20 miles to visit another store. He said that he was very disappointed to see that they were selling tank buster fish, and that the tanks didn't seem to have enough decor/hides for the fish they contained, both things that he obviously felt quite strongly about.
There is a lot of conflicting information available everywhere, which can be very confusing. I feel that sites like this one are absolutely invaluable for the years of experience available, and the friendly atmosphere that encourages people to ask questions. Sometimes it's a case of finding out as much information as possible, discussing the information with trusted sources, trying our best to get things right, and keeping a close eye on all of the aquatic friends under our care.
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Re: IT'S DONE YAY
« Reply #75 on: October 21, 2017, 10:09:27 AM »
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There are some good fish store workers, the problem is working out which ones they are.

Like the chap at MA when I bought my betta. He keeps discus but said that it was OK to keep plakat bettas in community tanks, just not long tailed bettas. He may know discus but he obviously doesn't know bettas.

But in my favourite shop I came in half way through a conversation with another customer - no I'm afraid you can't keep those fish with the ones you already have ....... no you can't keep those either.......well what would you suggest?.....how about these, or these or these......

Customers can be as bad. In one shop I overheard - I bought these fish a few weeks ago, they were this big Now they're this big, what are you going to do about it! She was talking about bleeding heart tetras which she bought at half an inch long and were now 2 inches long


Regarding SF, I even turned on my Kindle Fire to check it wasn't a problem with my laptop  ;D

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Re: IT'S DONE YAY
« Reply #76 on: October 21, 2017, 10:47:23 AM »
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This is all making me very worried the guy at the shop really seemed to know what he was talking about, I also had the same conversation with the gut at Fish Alive in Durham and he told me the same, I am going to go ahead and get the fish today and just see how it goes. Thanks for all your comments. Bx

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Re: IT'S DONE YAY
« Reply #77 on: October 21, 2017, 12:01:11 PM »
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The thing that has me worried is that you haven't said that you added another dose of ammonia and that cleared to zero ammonia and zero nitrite in 24 hours. But as I have said before, with plants things are different. Provided you don't stock the tank to the max in one go, you should be fine.

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Re: IT'S DONE YAY
« Reply #78 on: October 21, 2017, 04:28:05 PM »
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Yes I did and it cleared that is why I had it checked. Just putting in my fish now 6 neon tetras and 6 harlequins. Fingers crossed.

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Re: IT'S DONE YAY
« Reply #79 on: October 21, 2017, 04:36:57 PM »
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That sounds a nice combination of fish  :)


Just a warning that it is not unknown for the odd one or two shoaling fish to die shortly after purchase. Considering what they have been through it's not surprising. They've been shipped from the breeding farms to a UK wholesaler, then to the shop where they've been gawked at and chased round with a net every time anyone bought fish from that tank, then caught and put in a bag before arriving at your tank. All stressful for the poor things.

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