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Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #1750 on: May 05, 2019, 11:13:53 AM »
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I've been cleaning tanks this morning, and it hasn't gone well.

I'm only 4 tanks in and I've already decided to take a break.

So far this morning I've flooded the carpet in front of the forest tank because I didn't close the drain port completely, and I've just syphoned Brianne (largest female dwarf puffer) out of the tank by accident. I mean, completely out of the tank, through the tube, and into the waste bucket. She's back in the tank now, and doesn't seem to have suffered any injuries. She also doesn't seem to be particularly bothered by her brief adventure, and is currently pottering around the roots of the frogbit. I am still shaking and feel sick.

I hope that she continues to be ok.

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« Reply #1751 on: May 05, 2019, 11:18:35 AM »
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I have done that before. Fish that fit through the tube without getting stuck will be OK. But puffers release a toxin when stressed. That can kill all the fish in the tank. Put some carbon in the tank asap - either in the tank's filter or a separate one. Better safe than sorry.

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« Reply #1752 on: May 05, 2019, 11:36:03 AM »
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I've just put some carbon in.
Thanks Sue, that was a great suggestion, and I hadn't even thought about it.
The pic is a bit blurry, but I just wanted to prove that she was still alive.

What is the equivalent to carbon for humans? I feel as if I'm releasing quite a few toxins due to stress myself!

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« Reply #1753 on: May 05, 2019, 11:48:02 AM »
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I have sucked up Microdevarios and rescued them from the bucket more than once. I've sucked up pygmy cories - and freed some that got wedged in the tube. They were all fine once back in the tank.
Not to mention countless shrimps that have made the trip.

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I use a wine making siphon tube with a narrow rigid plastic tube on the tank end, and the only disaster was the apisto that got stuck in the tube opening and was severely wounded, so badly I stopped doing the water change to put him down.

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« Reply #1754 on: May 05, 2019, 12:05:38 PM »
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That is quite comforting to know that you have had this issue and that the fish were fine when they were back in the tank.

This is the first time I've completely syphoned something into the waste bucket. Most of my fish are relatively large (compared to the tube), and up until recently I've only had amano shrimp.

The next tank I'd normally clean is the one with the salt & pepper corys, as well as the tiny crystal bee shrimp. I think I might leave that until later, and move on to cleaning a tank with larger fish, just to be on the safe side. 

 

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« Reply #1755 on: May 05, 2019, 02:58:35 PM »
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I've just finished cleaning the tank with the tiny corys & shrimp.
Although I didn't notice when I sucked up a shrimp, at least I could see it in the orange waste bucket.  ::)

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« Reply #1756 on: May 05, 2019, 09:59:22 PM »
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I did something silly today. We went out to my son's this afternoon, and I fed the fish just before we left. The food is in the kitchen next to the betta's tank. I measured out the betta's pellets and put them in his tank, followed by the tiny pinch of crushed algae wafers for the shrimps. Then I measured out the food for the main tank - sinking pellets, flake and crushed algae wafers - into a small pot. And then emptied the pot into the betta's tank  :yikes:

I scooped as much out as I could with a fine mesh net, but we were already running late so had to leave the rest. I did a water change as soon as we got back, there was a lot of uneaten food in the bucket so at least it didn't have chance to decompose to ammonia.

And the betta didn't get his meal this evening, just in case he'd been stuffing himself while we were out.

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« Reply #1757 on: May 06, 2019, 09:55:00 AM »
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Well, it sounds as I wasn't the only one having an off day yesterday @Sue   :)

I'm guessing that your betta managed to grab a bit of food while you were out, even though you scooped a lot out with the net. Saying that, if he didn't recognise it as his food, he may have ignored most of it.

I felt very  :yikes: with the puffer incident yesterday, but I'm pleased to report that they are all ok this morning. Many thanks for suggesting I put carbon in the tank. I'd have been gutted if Brianne had survived her trip into the waste bucket, but then everyone had been wiped out by stress toxins. I'm sure all the dwarf puffers are also very grateful to you.  :cheers:

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« Reply #1758 on: May 06, 2019, 10:23:59 AM »
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I recently read a thread on another forum where someone was asking if it was OK to keep Amazon puffers in this tank with these fish. The thread goes on for a few pages with the original chap coming up with all sorts of different combinations and the two forum experts telling they won't work (tank too small, incompatible water requirements, incompatible fish species etc) There was a comment in the thread from one of the experts about puffer toxins wiping out a whole tank, and that carbon should be used full time in a puffer tank. The chap also commented that puffers should be in species only tanks to reduce stress from other fish, and that even poor water quality can stress puffers enough to produce the toxin. (I know that your puffers have excellent water quality from all the water changes you do  :) )

I have the sort of brain that remembers all sorts of tiny bits of info but forgets big things like turning the oven on to cook dinner  ;D And your post about the puffer and her fairground ride brought the comments to mind.





Bettas are well known for stuffing themselves till they make themselves ill. I knew he would eat the flake which is why I scooped as much as I could out. If we hadn't been half way out of the door when I fed them I'd have cleaned the tank immediately. We went out just before 2 and I did the water change as soon as we got home at 4.30. The betta is swimming around as usual this morning and the shrimps are all fine, so I got the food out in time.

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« Reply #1759 on: May 06, 2019, 09:08:41 PM »
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Glad to hear that your betta & shrimp are all doing well.  :)

I'll make sure that I always have carbon in the dwarf puffer tank now. You never know, Brianne might release toxins at the sight of the syphon tube after her recent adventure.  ;D

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« Reply #1760 on: May 08, 2019, 06:18:36 PM »
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"Enjoyed" reading these last few posts - thought it was just me like this. Glad all inhabitants seemed to be unscathed.  :cheers:

I did something silly today. Then I measured out the food for the main tank - sinking pellets, flake and crushed algae wafers - into a small pot. And then emptied the pot into the betta's tank  :yikes:
These things always happen when in a rush too.

I have the sort of brain that remembers all sorts of tiny bits of info but forgets big things like turning the oven on to cook dinner
Ditto!


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« Reply #1761 on: May 20, 2019, 08:25:14 PM »
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Well after 4 years and nearly 4 months, the last of my 4 Harlequin rasboras (first fish I ever bought) are soon to pass. The last one has developed an ulcer wound thing which also has a secondary fungus growth. The fish also has fungus growth elsewhere on its body.  It was swimming upside down for short periods after eating earlier too... so I have taken the call that things are too far gone to stress the fish with further treatment and so it's time looks unfortunately like it is nearly up... as soon as the point comes when the fish no longer evades capture, I will do the humane thing.

Sad but I am happy the fish has had a good life and taught me a lot about being a good fishkeeper too. It went through fish-in cycling unfortunately along with its long deceased friends, but after that point it's life has been good.

Feels like the end of an era... I look forward to what the next period might bring.

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« Reply #1762 on: May 20, 2019, 09:14:27 PM »
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I do empathise with you, @Matt - your harlequins are the same age as my own and my x-ray tetras, give or take a few months on either side, so a similar stage in life.  The ulcer wound with secondary fungus growth is something that one of my female x-ray tetras had and one of my harlequins has intermittently, but, in your case, it's more widespread/extensive and the fish has additional difficulties post-eating. All the very best for when the inevitable happens, whether that's through nature taking its course or you providing a helping hand when the time dictates.


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« Reply #1763 on: May 25, 2019, 11:02:52 PM »
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It's taken until now, but the inevitable has finally happened... end of an era. :'(

 But as these things often go.... it is also the start of something new!. The Goldeneye Dwarf cichlids are breeding.  :) This is the pair with the female I treated a few months back for Camallanus worms (then traded the whole tank of course). She is displaying full breeding colours (almost black) and has a swollen abdomen, this time it's eggs, not worms!  The pair have bred before but I believe they gave up on their young after a stressful tank maintenance session so I'll be on "water only" changes as I call then for the new few weeks... no scrubbing the glass, no rearranging plants, mininimal substrate vacuuming.

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« Reply #1764 on: May 30, 2019, 06:52:57 PM »
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Sorry to read about the end of the era. Good luck with the breeding pair and non-invasive water changes.

The big, bold neon green rasbora that intermittently terrorises the tank and has ended up in brawls (bodies inter-twisted!) with a harlequin and an x-ray, was fighting ferociously with her own reflection this morning - not playing but almost going berserk with anger as though someone were challenging her.  I had only opened one window blind, and was awaiting assistance with the other, but this must have created a bigger reflection than usual.  Once both blinds were open, the fish calmed down immediately but then kept zooming back in a menacing manner to ensure that her rival was staying away.  Quite amusing to witness.

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« Reply #1765 on: June 08, 2019, 07:56:10 PM »
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Sorry to hear that your harlequins have passed @Matt and I hope that your dwarf cichlids are doing well.



I've had a similar situation within the past few days, and my last v. platy passed a few days ago. She was the offspring of my first platies. I now only have 1 zebra danio left from my first ever group of 6 fish purchased from P@H. As you have mentioned, this is the start of something new. I knew that the old, bent platy wouldn't be able to swim in a string current, but now that she's passed I took the opportunity to move all the remaining fish from my temperate tank into the larger river tank. The move took place yesterday, and so far all is well. The zebra & leopard danios, and WCMM seem to be enjoying the extra space, and are getting along well with the rainbow shiners mid-water. I'm keeping an eye on the pepper cories because they can be quite boisterous, so I wasn't sure how they get on with the panda garras (similar in nature), or the small gobies. Some of the cories and garras have bumbled into each other, but without incident, and the rest of the fish don't seem remotely bothered.

@fcmf your big neon green rasbora sounds like quite a character. Glad to hear that she's keeping any "intruders" away from the tank.

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« Reply #1766 on: June 11, 2019, 01:25:15 PM »
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I would love to know what goes on in the mind of a nerite snail.

Generally, they do their own thing, the male being much more purposeful (laps of the tank, grazing away on the glass with seeming intention/direction, deserving the food from the foodpot as a reward) than the female (occasional grazing, mainly on the wood, but otherwise a lot of time consuming the food in the foodpot).

If one snail has occupied the foodpot for hours on end, then eventually decides to climb out for pastures new, it does a u-turn back into the foodpot only if it spots the other snail heading in the foodpot's direction - otherwise, it continues merrily on its way. Also, if one snail is heading in the direction of the foodpot, spots/detects the other snail in it, it will generally lie in wait nearby until the foodpot eventually becomes unoccupied, then makes a beeline for it.

Occasionally, they do occupy the foodpot together, which is generally a messy affair, with each covered in snailfood. Last week, both were lying upside down with their innards completely out - after numerous attempts to get them upright only for them to topple upside down, this only became achievable by emptying them onto the sand. I've no idea what caused/causes his, unless they had 'sucked' each others' insides to the extent that these couldn't be retracted.  :o


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« Reply #1767 on: June 13, 2019, 06:37:56 PM »
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Occasionally, they do occupy the foodpot together, which is generally a messy affair, with each covered in snailfood. Last week, both were lying upside down with their innards completely out - after numerous attempts to get them upright only for them to topple upside down, this only became achievable by emptying them onto the sand. I've no idea what caused/causes his, unless they had 'sucked' each others' insides to the extent that these couldn't be retracted.  :o
The snails were treated to a new foodpot yesterday, made from bamboo. They both spent the duration of yesterday evening in it, enjoying a banquet and manoeuvring all over one another, cleaning one another's shells with fervour and twisting and turning repeatedly in the process, to ensure that nothing was left unconsumed (or should that be unconsummated?!). I thought this was innocent behaviour, including them getting stuck to one another by accident, but an online video suggests that this is nerite snail mating behaviour - can any nerite owners confirm for me if this is correct? I had understood that it was just a case of the male snail gliding over the female's deposited eggs, not the type of behaviour I've described!  :-[

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« Reply #1768 on: June 13, 2019, 06:58:25 PM »
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I've not seen that type of behaviour, but then I usually have only one snail of any species at any given time. I did once have two of the same species and the tank was covered in eggs - the glass, filter, wood etc - but they must have mated where I couldn't see them. Once I discovered all those eggs, I separated them, one in the main tank and one in the betta's tank.

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« Reply #1769 on: June 14, 2019, 08:05:01 AM »
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I've not seen it with my nerite snails.
However, in the small tank I use for breeding pest snails (for dwarf puffers & assassin snails) that is exactly the sort of behaviour that is seen on a regular basis. In fact, sometimes there are multiple snails involved, and it seems to be quite an active event.  :o

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« Reply #1770 on: June 14, 2019, 02:17:32 PM »
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Looking back through previous posts, it seems that I got the female nerite in July 2018 and first noticed and became aware (thanks to Sue clarifying this) two months later that the sesame seeds which had been appearing over the wood, filter, stones and glass were not the white grains of sand which had coincidentally got stuck in numerous locations but were in fact snail eggs.

I'm beginning to think that, with all this activity going on, I might as well move some of the egg-covered stones into a container with some salt and see if I can have a go at breeding some mini nerites which will be an interesting mix of orang tiger and red vittina waigiensis. I wonder how much salt to put in...  ???


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« Reply #1771 on: June 14, 2019, 04:09:00 PM »
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There is very little info out there on breeding nerites. Try googling amano shrimps, there's more info on them and since they breed in a similar way I would imagine the salt concentration would be the same for both.




I been getting fed up with the betta's tank. The plants in there were really struggling. I resorted to silk plants as the live ones were visibly shrinking. I think I know the problem.
The plants were fine with the light that came with the tank (an Aqua One Aqua Space) but I had to replace the light when the plug/transformer came apart when I tried to unplug it. I think the problem was the replacement light. I have since learned about spectrum, and the fact that plants need blue and red light with some green. The replacement light has white and blue LEDs, with the option to have both on or just the blue on. I now know that this is not the correct spectrum for plants and these lights are more suited to marine tanks.
Today I received a parcel containing a new light. This one gave the spectrum - peaks in red and blue with a broad hump in green and yellow. It is now on the tank. I'll report on this new light when the remaining plants have had chance to grow (or not!)

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« Reply #1772 on: Yesterday at 08:26:55 PM »
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Water change day - and the betta's tank water felt cold. The thermometer said 22 deg C when it should be 26. The heater light was on but when I carefully felt the bottom of the heater (after unplugging it) it was not even warm. Luckily I have a spare heater in the cupboard - a 125w heater from when I had the 125 litre tank. It's enormous, it won't fit vertically, but at least it works while the replacement is in the post.

I'd wondered why the betta was behaving sluggishly.


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« Reply #1773 on: Yesterday at 08:41:58 PM »
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:yikes: - but, of some consolation, at least this happened in summer rather than in winter.

My thermometer suction cap isn't strong enough so it goes clinking around the tank water surface any time I attempt to attach it, and I never considered the stick-on strips accurate. Heater failure has never occurred to me, although I've read plenty of it happening. Think I ought to invest in some sort of alternative thermometer...

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Because this tank has an air powered sponge filter the water flow is from the middle outwards. The sucker on the thermometer stopped working ages ago so it floats freely and the water flow pushes it into a corner. Unfortunately, this time it ended up in the back corner with the scale facing the wall so i couldn't see it even if I'd thought to look at it. I currently have it wedged with a plant leaf so it's facing outwards to make sure that the heater is set right for such a small tank.


You could always try a digital thermometer, but I have no idea how the probe attaches to the inside of the tank. if it's with suckers, the same problem would arise after a while....

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I've heard you can revitalise suction cups by soaking in boiling water. You can also buy big bags of them e.g. on the rainforest related shopping site   :cheers:

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