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Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #1750 on: May 05, 2019, 11:13:53 AM »
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I've been cleaning tanks this morning, and it hasn't gone well.

I'm only 4 tanks in and I've already decided to take a break.

So far this morning I've flooded the carpet in front of the forest tank because I didn't close the drain port completely, and I've just syphoned Brianne (largest female dwarf puffer) out of the tank by accident. I mean, completely out of the tank, through the tube, and into the waste bucket. She's back in the tank now, and doesn't seem to have suffered any injuries. She also doesn't seem to be particularly bothered by her brief adventure, and is currently pottering around the roots of the frogbit. I am still shaking and feel sick.

I hope that she continues to be ok.

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« Reply #1751 on: May 05, 2019, 11:18:35 AM »
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I have done that before. Fish that fit through the tube without getting stuck will be OK. But puffers release a toxin when stressed. That can kill all the fish in the tank. Put some carbon in the tank asap - either in the tank's filter or a separate one. Better safe than sorry.

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« Reply #1752 on: May 05, 2019, 11:36:03 AM »
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I've just put some carbon in.
Thanks Sue, that was a great suggestion, and I hadn't even thought about it.
The pic is a bit blurry, but I just wanted to prove that she was still alive.

What is the equivalent to carbon for humans? I feel as if I'm releasing quite a few toxins due to stress myself!

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« Reply #1753 on: May 05, 2019, 11:48:02 AM »
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I have sucked up Microdevarios and rescued them from the bucket more than once. I've sucked up pygmy cories - and freed some that got wedged in the tube. They were all fine once back in the tank.
Not to mention countless shrimps that have made the trip.

Caution - people of a nervous disposition should stop reading now.








I use a wine making siphon tube with a narrow rigid plastic tube on the tank end, and the only disaster was the apisto that got stuck in the tube opening and was severely wounded, so badly I stopped doing the water change to put him down.

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« Reply #1754 on: May 05, 2019, 12:05:38 PM »
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That is quite comforting to know that you have had this issue and that the fish were fine when they were back in the tank.

This is the first time I've completely syphoned something into the waste bucket. Most of my fish are relatively large (compared to the tube), and up until recently I've only had amano shrimp.

The next tank I'd normally clean is the one with the salt & pepper corys, as well as the tiny crystal bee shrimp. I think I might leave that until later, and move on to cleaning a tank with larger fish, just to be on the safe side. 

 

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« Reply #1755 on: May 05, 2019, 02:58:35 PM »
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I've just finished cleaning the tank with the tiny corys & shrimp.
Although I didn't notice when I sucked up a shrimp, at least I could see it in the orange waste bucket.  ::)

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« Reply #1756 on: May 05, 2019, 09:59:22 PM »
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I did something silly today. We went out to my son's this afternoon, and I fed the fish just before we left. The food is in the kitchen next to the betta's tank. I measured out the betta's pellets and put them in his tank, followed by the tiny pinch of crushed algae wafers for the shrimps. Then I measured out the food for the main tank - sinking pellets, flake and crushed algae wafers - into a small pot. And then emptied the pot into the betta's tank  :yikes:

I scooped as much out as I could with a fine mesh net, but we were already running late so had to leave the rest. I did a water change as soon as we got back, there was a lot of uneaten food in the bucket so at least it didn't have chance to decompose to ammonia.

And the betta didn't get his meal this evening, just in case he'd been stuffing himself while we were out.

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« Reply #1757 on: May 06, 2019, 09:55:00 AM »
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Well, it sounds as I wasn't the only one having an off day yesterday @Sue   :)

I'm guessing that your betta managed to grab a bit of food while you were out, even though you scooped a lot out with the net. Saying that, if he didn't recognise it as his food, he may have ignored most of it.

I felt very  :yikes: with the puffer incident yesterday, but I'm pleased to report that they are all ok this morning. Many thanks for suggesting I put carbon in the tank. I'd have been gutted if Brianne had survived her trip into the waste bucket, but then everyone had been wiped out by stress toxins. I'm sure all the dwarf puffers are also very grateful to you.  :cheers:

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« Reply #1758 on: May 06, 2019, 10:23:59 AM »
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I recently read a thread on another forum where someone was asking if it was OK to keep Amazon puffers in this tank with these fish. The thread goes on for a few pages with the original chap coming up with all sorts of different combinations and the two forum experts telling they won't work (tank too small, incompatible water requirements, incompatible fish species etc) There was a comment in the thread from one of the experts about puffer toxins wiping out a whole tank, and that carbon should be used full time in a puffer tank. The chap also commented that puffers should be in species only tanks to reduce stress from other fish, and that even poor water quality can stress puffers enough to produce the toxin. (I know that your puffers have excellent water quality from all the water changes you do  :) )

I have the sort of brain that remembers all sorts of tiny bits of info but forgets big things like turning the oven on to cook dinner  ;D And your post about the puffer and her fairground ride brought the comments to mind.





Bettas are well known for stuffing themselves till they make themselves ill. I knew he would eat the flake which is why I scooped as much as I could out. If we hadn't been half way out of the door when I fed them I'd have cleaned the tank immediately. We went out just before 2 and I did the water change as soon as we got home at 4.30. The betta is swimming around as usual this morning and the shrimps are all fine, so I got the food out in time.

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« Reply #1759 on: May 06, 2019, 09:08:41 PM »
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Glad to hear that your betta & shrimp are all doing well.  :)

I'll make sure that I always have carbon in the dwarf puffer tank now. You never know, Brianne might release toxins at the sight of the syphon tube after her recent adventure.  ;D

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« Reply #1760 on: May 08, 2019, 06:18:36 PM »
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"Enjoyed" reading these last few posts - thought it was just me like this. Glad all inhabitants seemed to be unscathed.  :cheers:

I did something silly today. Then I measured out the food for the main tank - sinking pellets, flake and crushed algae wafers - into a small pot. And then emptied the pot into the betta's tank  :yikes:
These things always happen when in a rush too.

I have the sort of brain that remembers all sorts of tiny bits of info but forgets big things like turning the oven on to cook dinner
Ditto!


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« Reply #1761 on: May 20, 2019, 08:25:14 PM »
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Well after 4 years and nearly 4 months, the last of my 4 Harlequin rasboras (first fish I ever bought) are soon to pass. The last one has developed an ulcer wound thing which also has a secondary fungus growth. The fish also has fungus growth elsewhere on its body.  It was swimming upside down for short periods after eating earlier too... so I have taken the call that things are too far gone to stress the fish with further treatment and so it's time looks unfortunately like it is nearly up... as soon as the point comes when the fish no longer evades capture, I will do the humane thing.

Sad but I am happy the fish has had a good life and taught me a lot about being a good fishkeeper too. It went through fish-in cycling unfortunately along with its long deceased friends, but after that point it's life has been good.

Feels like the end of an era... I look forward to what the next period might bring.

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« Reply #1762 on: May 20, 2019, 09:14:27 PM »
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I do empathise with you, @Matt - your harlequins are the same age as my own and my x-ray tetras, give or take a few months on either side, so a similar stage in life.  The ulcer wound with secondary fungus growth is something that one of my female x-ray tetras had and one of my harlequins has intermittently, but, in your case, it's more widespread/extensive and the fish has additional difficulties post-eating. All the very best for when the inevitable happens, whether that's through nature taking its course or you providing a helping hand when the time dictates.


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