Think Fish Keepers Daily News. [2016-2019]

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Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #1480 on: September 05, 2018, 07:44:56 PM »
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Thanks guys.  :)

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« Reply #1481 on: September 07, 2018, 03:07:40 PM »
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Home after some time away and pleased to report that all inhabitants of the main and quarantine tanks are alive and looking exactly as I left them.  ;D

5 weeks' quarantine of the neon green rasboras is now complete. Now to work out the logistics of transferring these QT inhabitants into the main tank without adversely impacting on occupants of either... It's 3.25+ years since the addition of any new fish to the main tank and this article's https://www.fishkeeper.co.uk/about/faqs/do-i-need-to-quarantine-my-new-fish-and-if-so-how-do-i-do-it 3rd para is making me somewhat nervous:
If you have had a tank established without addition of livestock for an extended period of time (years or more), then it is definitely a good idea to quarantine any new animals. Your tank will have been isolated from many pathogens and your pets' immunity will have been shaped by the tank conditions. The addition of new fish brings new microbial challenges and your native initial population could suffer.
I'm wondering if I may have to acclimatise each tank to the presence of the other by swapping some water from each over the course of a week or so before actually physically moving the QT fish into the main tank.



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« Reply #1482 on: September 07, 2018, 03:43:56 PM »
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As far as water goes, if you do regular large weekly water changes on both tanks there will be little difference in the water - unless you do something in one tank to change the water such as adding calcareous rocks to one of the tanks. In this case, then yes, add some main tank water to the QT for a few days.
But as far as 'bugs' are concerned, swapping water will do the same as moving the new fish over without doing that.

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« Reply #1483 on: September 07, 2018, 05:04:42 PM »
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Thanks, @Sue - that's very helpful. I have limestone rock pieces in each tank. The only differences are wood and live plants in the main tank, while the QT has no wood and only silk plants. On that basis, could I transfer them straight across? Edited to add: it occurred to me that the QT fish have not experienced aquarium lights since being in the LFS, so I think it may be best to transfer them in the morning so that they have several hours to get used to their new tank before having to get used to lights too. In the interim, a water change has been done on both tanks, with the new water in the QT being 50% new dechlorinated water, 50% main tank water (which will have some plant fertiliser in it).

Hmmm - just realised I'll have to add the QT filter to the main tank, so it'll have 3 filters on the go as each is jampacked with filter media!


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Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #1484 on: September 07, 2018, 07:25:32 PM »
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Good to hear that your gang were all fine during your absence.
I hope that your rasboras acclimatise quickly tomorrow morning, and enjoy the main tank.  :)

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Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #1485 on: September 07, 2018, 07:35:54 PM »
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@fcmf how much are you increasing you stocking % by?  From stocking up my 220litre I know that I could add a third extra stocking to my tank without any bother..

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« Reply #1486 on: September 07, 2018, 07:48:47 PM »
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Thanks, @Littlefish.

@Matt, if I work out my stocking based on eye judgement on size, I have:
* 3 tetras at 4cm each = 12cm
* 6 harlequins, 4 at 4cm each, 2 at 3cm each = 22cm
* 6 neon greens, 4 at 3cm each, 2 at 2cm each = 16cm
Therefore, I'm increasing my stocking by 47% (or less, if we count the snails, one of which poos its weight daily due to spending its time grazing on the bogwood).

I am keeping my eye on the two smallest neon greens - although all came to greet me and all eat, one seems to be spending a lot of time on the bottom rather than swimming with the other 5, and the other small neon green occasionally drifts off to spend time on its own at the side. There's also the cloudy-eyed male tetra whose cloudy eye looks as though it may benefit from treatment. Depending on what the situation is in the morning, It might be that I keep some media in the QT and treat 2 or 3 of these 3.

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« Reply #1487 on: September 08, 2018, 09:26:55 AM »
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The Move from QT to established tank, plus that of the 3rd filter, has taken place. Suffice to say that there's been a lot of bickering going on for the past half hour since it happened - harlies pecking at neon greens in the top of the tank. This has put a stop to the 4-5 neon greens' non-stop swimming as they're being pulled into line by the harlies, while the 1-2 others are doing their own thing elsewhere in the tank. Aside from a momentary pause to observe what was happening, the x-rays are going about their usual business in the bottom half of the tank which they have all to themselves. I would take a pic/video footage but one of the silk plants is a rather bright colour and I wouldn't want anyone to wince at the sight!

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« Reply #1488 on: September 08, 2018, 05:16:25 PM »
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Now down to just 1 of the harlies harassing the green neons - Alpha Harley seems to have spent the entire day chasing one after the other of the green neons (except for no.6 who has spent the entire day down on the substrate - not convinced about the welfare of this little one, and the one with the missing portions of caudal fin who was understandably hiding in plants but seems to have vanished altogether).

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Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #1489 on: September 08, 2018, 05:32:28 PM »
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This all sounds like normal "getting used to each oher" type stuff to me.

Number 6 may well be improved in the morning.  He/she has been through a lot today! Fingers crossed :)

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Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #1490 on: September 08, 2018, 05:59:46 PM »
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I like watching a tank when different species are getting used to each other.
I hope that the neons are settling, and that the ones that are hiding come out tomorrow.  :)

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« Reply #1491 on: September 09, 2018, 12:21:30 PM »
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The two rasbora species are tolerating one another more now, although the usual shuffling/re-positioning at "lights off" went on for about 3x as long as usual yesterday evening! There's more bickering going on between the neon greens than between the two rasbora species - just the occasional "showing who's / which species is boss" from Alpha Harley.

No.5 neon green with missing upper and lower caudal fin sections spends half her time cocooned in hornwort and quivering, and the other half swimming around with the others, especially when food appears! No.6 remains on the substrate, quivering; I don't have much hopes for him as his belly is concave and he's not eating, even when food does drop down near him, but there's no clear sign of anything specifically wrong as such.



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Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #1492 on: September 09, 2018, 12:36:36 PM »
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Hopefully number 5 will gain some confidence, and spend more time out in the open with the others.
Things don't seem so positive with number 6 though, which is a massive shame.

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« Reply #1493 on: September 09, 2018, 02:25:36 PM »
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...and then there were 5. :'(  For his sake, I think it's for the best.  As for no.5, she got herself entangled between the filter cable and the wall, and had to be released, so I'm not convinced that her constitution is that strong either.  Now can't get the song "Ten Green Bottles" out of my head, albeit I did start with 8 (rather than 10).

Not convinced about replacing the 3 that have died - thoughts welcome, though.

As for the filter, I'm assuming that I'll just remove a portion on a weekly basis (starting with the portion of media that's the newest and was installed only ten days ago into the QT filter upgrade), while ongoing monitoring of water quality, until filter no.3 can be removed from the main tank. Again, views welcome; thanks.






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Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #1494 on: September 09, 2018, 02:32:10 PM »
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I agree with your filter process. I would do a third or half of the media at a time, and wait for a week of positive test results.

To be honest I would replace them from a numbers point of view, but I also wouldn't add them in after the others get settled because they would have to establish hierarchies all over again. If it was me I would add more now without quarantine... especially given you know they have been ok in the shop, but I understand you/others may be more hesitant to do this than me...  :yikes:

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« Reply #1495 on: September 09, 2018, 03:05:50 PM »
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Hmmm - there's just no way that I could take a risk on my longstanding stock... I'd probably be up all night doing vigils for at least a month, shining the torch in to ensure that there wasn't an outbreak of import whitespot which required treating ASAP.  I would feel awful about moving the neon greens back out and into their QT, though, but think this would be preferable for my own peace of mind for the month or so that the new neon greens would require quarantining for.

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« Reply #1496 on: September 09, 2018, 03:58:21 PM »
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That wasn't pleasant. Went to retrieve the fish from the bottom of the tank - he started moving slightly but willingly went into the net. Breathing was rapid and he was lying on his side while in a small container.  Having almost done the deed before nature took its course while I was plucking up the courage last month, I did it this time for the first time in my life. He moved slightly with the first few drops of emulsified clove oil, then death was instantaneous with the next few drops. Vodka has been administered to complete the process once certain that he was well-and-truly gone. Quite shaken, really, but at least it avoided any more of a prolonged suffering for him.
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« Reply #1497 on: September 09, 2018, 04:23:52 PM »
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It's never nice but you must take comfort that you have done the right thing...

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« Reply #1498 on: September 09, 2018, 04:48:34 PM »
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There are times when it is more cruel to let a fish live in obvious pain. You did the right thing.

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« Reply #1499 on: September 09, 2018, 06:55:32 PM »
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Sorry to hear that the day has been so awful, with a neon passing and having to euthanise the other one.
Dealing with a fish like that is always a traumatic experience, but I think it was the right thing to do under the circumstances.
You might be needing to drink some of that vodka yourself.

 


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