Think Fish Keepers Daily News. [2016-2019]

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« Reply #1360 on: July 25, 2018, 06:28:46 PM »
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I've now decided that the larger of my two new snails may not necessarily be female after all. I noticed that the third of the white, thread-like strips (which I thought were eggs) was brown at one end, then investigated the jaycloth that they'd arrived wrapped in - as it transpired, a hole had been munched in it, so I think the snail was poo-ing out the remnants of that! No such white strips have been seen since. However, the snails are now known as Mr (my original orange one), Mrs (the larger of the two red ones) and Baby (the smaller of the two red ones). It's fascinating watching them. Today Mr has spent the entire time eating and burying himself under the Snail Stixx, Mrs has been munching algae on the wood and poo-ing non-stop, while Baby started off munching the algae on the tank glass but has been sleeping since.

The fish are now shoaling together as a group of 9, taking turns to swim in twos (single and mixed-species pairs) into and get buffeted in the current from the filter outlet, which must make them feel as though they are swimming upstream, before returning to the back of the queue and awaiting their next turn after everyone else.
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Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #1361 on: July 25, 2018, 06:45:50 PM »
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Nerite eggs are unmistakable. They look as though someone has stuck sesame seeds all over the decor, the glass, other snails.....

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« Reply #1362 on: July 26, 2018, 05:22:55 PM »
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I have just done a water change on both tanks. I had been thinking for a week or two that the hornwort was taking over, so this afternoon I removed all of it except the one or two stems still weighted down, and it filled a 12 litre bucker higher than the rim. I've thrown away (compost bin) all the bits of stem with virtually no leaves left, and was ruthless with some of the not too bad stems, then put the decent stuff back. I can now see the water sprite  :) I use hornwort as a floating plants and now the layer is just one stem thick instead of a tangle 6 inches thick.

The water felt very cold so I retrieved the thermometer from the pre-sorted thicket of hornwort and the tank temp was only 24.5 deg C. I did notice this morning that the heater in the betta's tank was on - I keep that at 26 deg. So I checked the kitchen thermometer and that was 24 deg. My husband's strategy for keeping the house cool seems to be working. The cavity insulation and K glass double gazing keep the heat out as well as in and we leave all the south facing curtains with thick thermal linings closed till mid afternoon, when they are opened and the north facing curtains are closed.

The Met Office is predicting thunderstorms for us between 5 and 8 am despite the national yellow warning for 2 pm to midnight tomorrow. Then the temp should fall after that, thank goodness.

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« Reply #1363 on: July 26, 2018, 07:38:15 PM »
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For a reliable weather forecast, use yr.no
A Norwegian site, you can put it into English. Then always go for the graph view... best way to view the weather and their predictions are more accurate than most.

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« Reply #1364 on: July 26, 2018, 10:23:27 PM »
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Need to get ruthless with some of my stem plants too at the mo...

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« Reply #1365 on: July 28, 2018, 11:13:30 AM »
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Slightly disconcertingly, I've been increasingly fascinated by my 3 nerites this week - unsure how much time has been spent watching their antics!

Mr (orange, 14 mths old) & Mrs (new, red) met one another on a piece of wood a few days ago. He slithered around her on contact, then departed. Mrs spent the following day indulging compulsively in Snail Stixx food, not moving more than 1cm from the bowl that I now feed this in; Mr came and joined in during the evening and there were soon pieces of Snail Stixx food being thrown up a few cms as a consequence of the rummaging, and which one of the harlequins availed of. Mr then moved up tightly alongside Mrs, both went motionless for a minute or so, before they resumed eating. Yesterday, I got rid of the Snail Stixx to allow them to earn their living by eating algae in the tank - Mrs seems to be enjoying working away on the two pieces of bogwood which I'm grateful for as Mr had never really touched them; at one stage, Mr (whose tentacles are now ~4cm in comparison with Mrs' <0.5cm) set off at speed and with purpose, then did a u-turn, stretched and hoisted himself up onto the branch and pushed himself up against Mrs for a minute or so, before departing the scene. Whether or not he's being territorial in what has been exclusively his tank from a snail point of view, or whether this is mating behaviour (as unclear which sex either is), I don't know. This morning, he has been perching majestically on top of the filter outlet at the water surface, as though surveying his territory - like a scene from The Lion King.

As for Baby, Mr located him a few days ago, pushed him up against the glass, then continued on his merry way. Unfortunately, I've had to rescue Baby twice in the past 12 hrs as he was found lying on his back, clearly having no idea what to do as his tentacles and innards are too small to be able to rectify his position. I had been considering corydoras habrosus as a possibility for the new fish but I would worry about them or indeed any bottom feeders inadvertently poking Baby if he were vulnerable on his back and so this has almost cemented my final decision as either microdevario kubotai (most likely) or ember tetra (second choice).

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« Reply #1366 on: July 28, 2018, 12:48:19 PM »
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Interesting... I have always taken the opposite view, in that something like cories (not known for eating snails) help get the snails the right way up again...

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« Reply #1367 on: July 28, 2018, 01:39:44 PM »
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Oooooh - I assumed they'd just clamber over the top of him, poke him to try to eat him, but cause more problems than good. If, however, they might actually help him, then that's an entirely different matter and they might go firing to the top of my "contenders" list. Anyone else have any experience of such situations?

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« Reply #1368 on: July 28, 2018, 06:55:39 PM »
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One of my betta tanks also contains panda cories and assassin snails. No problems between them at all.

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« Reply #1369 on: July 29, 2018, 07:26:44 AM »
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It never ceases to amaze me how quickly and how much fish will eat.
With the sunny weather I've had containers on the windowsill to grow algae on rocks. I will admit that I'd kind of forgotten about them, and the rocks had grown a thick coat of algae, along with some fairly large clumps of longer, fluffy algae. I put the rocks in the river tank yesterday evening, and they were very quickly located by the gobies, who ate until they looked as if they were fit to burst. The panda garras then had a go, quickly followed by the hillstream loaches and bulldog plecs. Within less than an hour I could see the original colour of the rocks in patches.
Came downstairs this morning to find both large rocks completely clean. Less than 12 hours to eat several weeks worth of algae...good job I've put more containers of rocks onto the windowsill.

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« Reply #1370 on: July 29, 2018, 11:56:13 AM »
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Wow - your river tank inhabitants have been busy, LF!

Sadly, I think Baby Snail is dead. :'( Yet again this morning, he was on his back. He was perfectly fine on Friday, clinging to the underside of a leaf throughout the weekly water change. However, he did fall off later for the first time that I'd noticed and was on his back. In hindsight, I realise that, on the several occasions I've seen him upside down since and have tried to rectify his position, he's been getting buffeted around in the water current rather than gripping to the ground - it's as though his innards are at least partially if not fully retracted inside. He has moved a few inches each day but only that, including onto the tank glass and onto the side of a stone, but has fallen off on each occasion. He was upside down again this morning and I've moved him into a separate container, the right way up, but he hasn't moved and he's not gripping onto the bottom. I've done the "sniff test" that I've read about but there is no smell - yet. I'll leave him in this separate container for now but I'm not hopeful of any Lazarus-type event.


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« Reply #1371 on: July 29, 2018, 12:24:06 PM »
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My snail that died recently didn't smell either. Like you I found it on its back and turned him over, then it didn't move for several days. I also put it in a separate container - at this point if I pulled the trapdoor with a finger nail it was pulled back in slightly. But after a few days of no movement in the tub, I tried the trapdoor again and it just stayed pulled out. But still no smell, which is most unusual.

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« Reply #1372 on: July 30, 2018, 10:14:07 PM »
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Thanks, Sue - that's very useful to know. Still no movement from the snail (despite putting in an algae wafer), still no resistance/gripping against the bottom of the container, and still no smell yet. I took him out of the water altogether to take a photo of his "undercarriage" but no sign of any life and the photo wasn't very focused - have attached the clearest one (taken yesterday). I'm 99.99% sure he's dead. If he doesn't actually develop a smell, I'd be tempted to keep him as his shell is so beautiful...

I'm wondering if there's any possibility one of the fish or even one of the snails has somehow poked him (causing him to retract irreparably) or sucked out his innards - would that be possible?

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« Reply #1373 on: July 31, 2018, 09:48:09 AM »
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I have no idea on your last question  :-[

I know that it is said that the way a shop handles the snail can affect it. If a snail is ripped off the side of the tank that can damage it. When I take a snail off the glass I gently slide it up and down till it lets go. Though if you got this snail from somewhere like Proshrimp, they should know how to handle snails.

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« Reply #1374 on: July 31, 2018, 02:46:32 PM »
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Contacted P-S; apparently snails can retract into their shells for prolonged periods so it's altogether possible he may resurrect himself in due course (but, personally, I can't see this happening). I did, however, put him / his remains (whichever is applicable) into nicer surroundings and manage to capture a pic of his beauty, though.

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« Reply #1375 on: July 31, 2018, 02:50:37 PM »
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Since you've reminded me, I've just looked at snails on ProShrimp, and then shrimps. It it usual for them to be out of stock of everything except assassin snails and snowball shrimps?

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« Reply #1376 on: July 31, 2018, 05:11:24 PM »
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Not sure about shrimps but, from recollection, ordinarily, about 5 or 6 of the 8 snail products are usually in stock including the orange, zebra and mixed nerites.

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« Reply #1377 on: July 31, 2018, 05:16:35 PM »
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Maybe it's just someone who usually gets the stock in is on holiday  :-\

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« Reply #1378 on: August 02, 2018, 11:20:21 AM »
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One of my Rabbit snails did this fcmf...  Stopped moving completely, but no smell...  After a fairly lengthy period, I took him out and popped him in a holding bucket - did the same thing and popped an algae wafer in there for him on the off chance he might spring back to life etc, but no such luck...  A further week passed and still nothing...  At this point, I had a closer look and his operculum fell off, but still no smell...  That sealed the deal and he was then disposed of.  Gutted though, as he was the only one from my collection of Rabbit snails that was yellow fleshed...  Having said that, he was a voracious eater and routinely had a go at live plants, often uprooting younger/more delicate plants...

On the Pro-Shrimp stocking thing, I can say that I monitor their stock a lot, especially the snails, with being interested in the more unusual varieties etc...  It is very typical that they get a batch of new stock in and that it flies out super fast - with the more unusual and/or desirable ones being the first to sell out...  This is the first time in a while though that I have seen the Black Helmet Nerites out of stock - and you might guess that this has happened just as I have been considering adding another one to the Cookie Crew...  :)

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« Reply #1379 on: August 02, 2018, 11:21:08 AM »
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A notice has just come through the door from the water company. They will be cleaning pipes between 7 August and 22 August.

I'll definitely do a water change on Monday 6th, but I can only hope that the following one on ~ 16 August isn't affected by cloudy water  :o I don't have enough buckets to run 85 litres water before I start removing the old water.

(Yes I know that's 10 days apart but my husband won't help me do them every week for the next 4 weeks, just every 10 days)

 


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