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Offline daveyng

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Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #1300 on: June 30, 2018, 12:46:43 PM »
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Sorry for your loss Sue. He was a lovely looking fish.

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Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #1301 on: June 30, 2018, 04:36:22 PM »
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Just got back from an aquascaping demo with Filipe Oliveira at Aquarium Gardens.
https://www.facebook.com/pg/AquariumGardens/videos/?ref=page_internal

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Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #1302 on: June 30, 2018, 10:44:55 PM »
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Very sorry to hear your news @Sue. At least a quick demise minimises any potential for extended suffering... My condolences.

@Littlefish I'll be watching that later! I wish I was nearnearer aquarium gardens or any true aquascaping shop for that matter...

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« Reply #1303 on: July 01, 2018, 05:49:26 AM »
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@Matt I consider myself very lucky to live within a short/reasonable driving distance to several great shops.  :)

The demonstration lasted longer than I expected. I will admit that my favourite part was when the tank was far from finished, and someone mentioned that there was football on that afternoon. Someone else asked if anyone knew who was playing, people started to look around, and it wasn't until it became obvious that nobody knew the answer that the phrase "that's what google is for" was heard.
Aquascaping 1 - football 0   :raspberries
For those who are not keen on football, I would recommend spending the hottest part of the day in a perfectly air conditioned shop (where they were serving free tea, coffee, and bottled water), and watching someone create a stunning tank.  ;D

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Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #1304 on: July 01, 2018, 07:43:44 AM »
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So sorry to hear of your loss @Sue

I guess that's one of the things we hope experience can help us avoid. It goes to show that sometimes there's nothing we can do.  :(

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Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #1305 on: July 01, 2018, 09:37:24 AM »
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Mr FCMF has been using the Vax carpet cleaner in the bedrooms this morning and has just commented on how much sand was picked up - can only have come from one place ie trodden from the fishtank room!

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« Reply #1306 on: July 01, 2018, 10:22:19 AM »
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 :o oops!

About 6 years ago we replaced the laminate in our lounge for carpet. Except around the fishtank! The room is L shaped and the tank is in the short bit, so it was relatively easy to put down a rectangle and leave a decent space around the tank that is slightly more water resistant.

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« Reply #1307 on: July 01, 2018, 11:38:00 AM »
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We had a new lounge carpet a couple of weeks ago. The first 60 litre tank, then the 125 litre tank were both on the old carpet and I was very surprised that there were no water stains on the underlay. I do remember dropping a bucket of old water next to the 125 litre tank but no stain.
For the last few years I have used an old curtain in front of the tank during a water change. It is one of those with a thermal backing, which is like a sort of rubber bonded to the fabric and works very well to contain any spillages, and bits dropped on the floor. I just pick it up by the corners and shake any spillages into the garden.

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Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #1308 on: July 02, 2018, 03:29:16 PM »
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I read something over the weekend that makes me think I may have killed my betta  :'(
Blood worms apparently have a large head, one reason why we should not feed them very often. The abdominal swelling started a couple of days after I fed him bloodworm. He was a young betta, and quite small. Did the bloodworms cause a blockage?


eSHa 2000 is a 3 day treatment, with a large dose added on day 1, followed by 2 days at half this dose. So I've been adding the day 1 dose every day since he died. This morning I did a 100% water change, and washed the filter sponge, sand and decor in dechlorinated water. Then we went to my favourite shop and bought a standard blue veiltail, with red undertones.

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« Reply #1309 on: July 02, 2018, 06:03:17 PM »
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Compared to a betta my dwarf puffers are much smaller, and their diet is mainly bloodworms.
Should the mood take you, have a close look and you'll see that the head isn't that large compared to the rest of the worm.
I also find it quite difficult to believe that a carnivore doesn't have the appropriate mouth parts to deal with a bloodworm, let alone once it gets to the stomach.
My plakat betta loves bloodworms, and always has.
@Sue I really do think that you were very unlucky with your recent bettas health. Please don't blame yourself.

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« Reply #1310 on: July 02, 2018, 07:14:27 PM »
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I'll try not to  :)

Bettas are such pigs and the one that just died crammed every worm he could find into his mouth at once. I was trying to drop them in one at a time but lost control of the pipette  :-[

I'll stick to daphnia and brine shrimp with my newest betta until he grows a bit bigger.

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« Reply #1311 on: July 02, 2018, 07:23:48 PM »
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I use forceps to feed a worm or two to that betta, and he takes them from the forceps. Much easier to control than a pipette for food. They are pigs, and he goes crazy if I try to give worms to any of the other fish or assassin snails in the tank, swimming around trying to get all of them.

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« Reply #1312 on: July 02, 2018, 07:37:48 PM »
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Glad to read that you have a new betta, Sue. I know only too well how easy it is to keep questioning recent actions and wondering what it may have been which led to the fish's demise, then berating oneself repeatedly. I can't really add to Littlefish's excellent advice other than to testify how easy it is for fish to go bonkers in the presence of bloodworm. My remaining female tetra has all sorts of antics to reach and devour ~80% of the fishtank food, which explains the size she is and the health problems she now has, but I suspect at the end of the day, it comes down to the fish's constitution as to whether they can cope with it or not - or, very possibly in the case of your betta, the cause of death may be completely unrelated.

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« Reply #1313 on: July 02, 2018, 07:52:47 PM »
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So far so good with the new betta. He finally found the 2 pellets I put in at dinner time. He could obviously smell/taste them in the water and was swimming round looking for them. They were stuck at the edge so I just tapped on the tank next to them till he found them.

I felt really sorry for the chap at the shop. He is really the reptile person, but Monday is Mark's day off and the owner was due back from holiday yesterday so they hadn't arranged for anyone else to go in. She didn't arrive this morning so the reptile chap was on his own.
I went into the fish room to find no ceiling lights, and only a few tank lights on. The betta tanks were in darkness - I couldn't even see if there were any fish in the tanks. After he finished with the previous customer, I asked him about bettas and he said 'but I turned the lights on', went to look and came back muttering about fuses. A couple of minutes later, all the lights came on but I didn't want to buy a fish that had only just woken up. So I let him serve the next few customers while I watched the bettas. Very quickly the betta I bought and the one in the next tank started flaring at each other so I knew it was now OK to take him out of his tank.
This shop has a rank of small tanks, maybe 10 to 15 litres. Each one has an air powered sponge filter. They keep the bettas, shrimps, snails and very tiny fish in these tanks (one species per tank). I had no idea rabbit snails grew so big. They were bigger than the bettas  :o

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« Reply #1314 on: July 03, 2018, 08:26:02 PM »
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Plants not doing at all well recently, disintegrating, melting, thinning and dying, despite ensuring they weren't in the shadow of others and despite adding fertiliser more frequently and replenishing the root tabs. As the tank was looking rather sparse and I can't keep spending a fortune on plants, I resurrected some silk plants this evening which has given the tank quite a boost - beginning to think I might just stick to anubias, java fern, moss balls and hornwort, in conjunction with silk plants, from now on.

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« Reply #1315 on: July 03, 2018, 08:30:55 PM »
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That sounds like my aquatic green fingers, which is why I stick to the same plants. Though I do seem to be able to manage Bolbitis as well.

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« Reply #1316 on: July 03, 2018, 11:29:51 PM »
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They can be a real enigma some of these plants, eh...  My abject failure with one of the supposedly easy-peasy, lemon squeezy plants (H.Costata) is proof enough of that for me, lol...  :)

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Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #1317 on: July 03, 2018, 11:34:51 PM »
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It might be worth us revisiting if some plants tend to do better in hard or soft water...

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« Reply #1318 on: July 04, 2018, 07:22:31 AM »
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@TopCookie I have managed to kill several java ferns over the past couple of years, so I think I can trump you on killing easy plants.  ::)

@Matt did you have a look at that Filipe Oliviera demo? The sound quality wasn't great, there was quite a lot of background noise because the shop was still open to customers that day. I found Filipe to be a fascinating chap and he put together a lovely tank. I'm trying to hold off going back to buy plants for a few weeks so I can see the tank a bit more grown out.

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Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #1319 on: July 04, 2018, 09:33:18 AM »
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I've killed duckweed in the past  :o

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« Reply #1320 on: July 04, 2018, 10:40:43 AM »
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I've killed duckweed in the past  :o

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Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #1321 on: July 04, 2018, 06:46:08 PM »
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I watched bits... its 5 hours long!

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« Reply #1322 on: July 04, 2018, 07:24:12 PM »
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Yes, things did go on for a bit longer than I expected.  :)

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« Reply #1323 on: July 04, 2018, 09:27:58 PM »
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My experience and research suggests that faster growing plants, particularly stem plants, need calcium as well as lots of nitrogen.

That might also correlate with why the nymphoid is quite so fragile. It is a slower growing stem plant, that's found in softwater areas, so perhaps has less calcium in its structure. It makes sense to me that calcium adds strength.

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« Reply #1324 on: July 06, 2018, 09:30:13 AM »
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After taking 50+ photos of a betta that wouldn't keep still, these are the best I could manage of my new betta. Sorry they're a bit on the blurry side  ;D

As I said a few posts ago, this one is a standard veiltail, a 'typical pet shop betta'. After the last two very fancy, probably highly in bred bettas not living long, I decided I'd go for personality rather than looks. Not that the last two didn't have quirky personalities but it was their looks that was the deciding factor.

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Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #1325 on: July 06, 2018, 10:07:01 AM »
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Lovely looking fish.

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« Reply #1326 on: July 06, 2018, 12:25:31 PM »
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Great colouring.  8)

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« Reply #1327 on: July 06, 2018, 05:23:06 PM »
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I've got Betta jealousy!  :fishy1:

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« Reply #1328 on: July 06, 2018, 06:57:25 PM »
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Oooh, lovely.  8)

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« Reply #1329 on: July 08, 2018, 10:09:51 AM »
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Currently procrastinating rather than doing a water change on the mudskipper tanks.
Due to the set up it is more complicated than maintenance on any other tank, and an experience that the 'skippers are not overly keen on.  :-[

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« Reply #1330 on: July 08, 2018, 01:12:02 PM »
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Just cleaned the filter on the 220litre... that achieved a 10% water change in the process. Dry weather is a great excuse not to do more than that!...

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« Reply #1331 on: July 08, 2018, 01:49:16 PM »
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I completed the maintenance on both mudskipper tanks, so now settling down in front of the tv to watch the F1.  :)

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« Reply #1332 on: July 08, 2018, 05:57:15 PM »
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The eco-system is functioning well today. Snail has found his way onto what's left of the giant echinodorus plant which floats in the tank and has been hang-gliding from it for most of the day. A few harlies are watching, as though goading him to jump or going to have a laugh at his expense when he falls, while the remaining fish are (purposefully, I suspect) positioned underneath, catching and eating his poo as it drops - a welcome extra food source for them. 
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« Reply #1333 on: July 08, 2018, 07:52:01 PM »
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Entertaining and slightly gross.  :rotfl:

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« Reply #1334 on: July 09, 2018, 08:19:11 AM »
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I thought I'd make an early start on tank cleaning, so I could get something done before the day gets too hot for anything but hunting for shade and a breeze.
I was syphoning one of the South American tanks, when I noticed something odd on one of the branches of wood. It was a patch that looked dark with small, pale patches, and I thought perhaps it could be algae. I decided to try to gently syphon it off into the bucket without it breaking up, then get the forceps to pick it out and put it onto a piece of tissue for a closer look. I guessed that if I couldn't identify it I could at least take a picture and see if you guys had seen anything like it, or could identify it. As I was trying to syphon it the end seemed to be lifting, but I just couldn't get it to shift.
It turns out I was attempting to syphon up Hari the bristlenose plecs tail while she was resting up-side-down in the tangle of wood.  :-[
Not my proudest moment, and it has left me wondering how I manage to get up and dress myself each morning, without the help of a responsible adult.  ???

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« Reply #1335 on: July 09, 2018, 07:26:02 PM »
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Lol this tickled me... it won't look more daft than the time I tried to catch a goby... then tried again the next day... then again the next day... and so on!

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« Reply #1336 on: July 09, 2018, 08:14:14 PM »
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it has left me wondering how I manage to get up and dress myself each morning, without the help of a responsible adult.  ???
Hmmm - I know that feeling only too well and, if I had the number of tanks you had, I'd almost certainly have done something like this long before now! ;D

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« Reply #1337 on: July 11, 2018, 05:16:57 PM »
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Is it terribly bad of me that, when on an outing with Mr FCMF today, I accidentally-on-purpose googled the postcode of an MA I'd identified in the area and just happened to plug it into the satnav so that we ended up on a detour..?! Worth the journey, though - saw all sorts of interesting fish I don't normally see in my LFS eg scarlet badis, loreto tetras, reed tetras, blackfin cories, corydoras duplicareus, corydoras punctatus... Drool.

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« Reply #1338 on: July 11, 2018, 07:03:05 PM »
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It's not bad of you @fcmf , it seems very sensible to combine an outing with a trip to a fish store.
Whenever I go on a relatively long drive I have a look to see if there are any fish store en route, you know, just in case I need to stop and stretch my legs for a bit during the drive.  ;)

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« Reply #1339 on: July 11, 2018, 09:28:12 PM »
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It's a fine old plan!

My only concern would be going to an independent fish shop, miles away, and finding something incredible there, with no sensible way of getting it home!

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« Reply #1340 on: July 12, 2018, 08:06:51 AM »
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It's a fine old plan!

My only concern would be going to an independent fish shop, miles away, and finding something incredible there, with no sensible way of getting it home!

There are 4 (probably more) ways to respond in this situation:-
1) "That is an amazing fish, but there is no way I can get it home safely from here. I guess that's just fate" - feels a bit sad for a while, then possibly gets home and realises that the amazing fish wouldn't work well with the fish already in the tank/doesn't have a tank suitable for the fish, and is comforted by the thought that the impulse purchase could have harmed the fish and left the fishkeeper in an emergency situation of trying to create a suitable environment for a new fish at short notice.

2) "That is an amazing fish, but there is no way I can get it home safely from here right now" -
feels interested in finding out more, takes pic of fish with label containing latin name, goes home and researches the requirements of the fish. Spends a couple of weeks on the research, decides they they can't keep the fish in a current community/can't buy a new tank/can't keep the fish correctly...(remaining actions follow those of option 1)

3) "That is an amazing fish, but there is no way I can get it home safely from here right now" -
feels interested in finding out more, takes pic of fish with label containing latin name, goes home and researches the requirements of the fish. Spends a couple of weeks on the research, decides they they can set up a suitable environment. Goes to LFS with information and asks if they can order it. Or decides to order the fish online for delivery.


4) "That is an amazing fish, but there is no way I can get it home safely from here right now" -
feels interested in finding out more, takes pic of fish with label containing latin name, goes home and researches the requirements of the fish. Spends a couple of weeks on the research, decides they they can set up a suitable environment, and that they do want the fish. Several weeks/months are spent doing further research and setting up a suitable environment prior to a long trip back to the store, with a fishy travel kit (battery operated air pump with some mature filter media in a small amount of tank water, polybox large enough to contain the fish in a bag, and anything else that could help). Travels back to the shop, gets the fish, returns home with everyone doing well, acclimatises new fish to new set up, everyone lives happily ever after.

Hope that helps - the general message is "don't buy fish from a distant store you've never visited before on the spur of the moment, as it results in the sort of chaos that we can all do without".  :)

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« Reply #1341 on: July 12, 2018, 10:12:23 PM »
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Mine was a combo of 2 and 1, with 3 likely to happen in the future ie took the pics and pics of labels containing the name and Latin name, did the research quite quickly (ie checked against SF), then slotted in what could/would go where in the general algorithms in my mind re the various scenarios which might play out as time evolves.

Today turned into quite an amazing day - went on an outing and, by sheer luck and completely unbeknown to us, it turned out that there was a public aquarium at the site of our outing! En route home, the SatNav (untouched by me - honestly) took us a different, more rural route; just as we came over the brow of a hill, I recognised some colours in a row of buildings in a business park and a massive smile broke out on my face... yep, it was a well-known pet shop chain, this branch of which I just happened to have to check out "for quality assurance / research purposes".  ;D


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« Reply #1342 on: July 13, 2018, 07:07:04 AM »
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A public aquarium and visiting a fish shop, sounds like a great day @fcmf

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« Reply #1343 on: July 13, 2018, 01:41:45 PM »
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What a mixed week fish-wise. Actually been away for a few days, hence the outings and fish shop discoveries. Left on Tues morn and everyone was in great form, including the very obese female tetra who seemed to have learned how to swim despite the lopsidedness caused by her obesity - one side swollen/large, the other side with what looked like an internal protrusion as though a piece of cardboard were wedged in her side, as well as the anal opening being unusually forced round to that side with what had become a distorted body shape. Just arrived home to the discovery of her very decomposed body, so I suspect she died on the day we left. :'( Absolutely not entirely unexpected but, where I'd suspected she might live on for between a few weeks and a few months, I was fairly confident on Tues morn that it might be for a few months as she seemed to be in such great form, colouring, chasing down food, and there seemed to be a lot of mating-like behaviour between her and her male partner. Snail under water so ammonia levels can't be too high yet - but obviously I'll check, and plan to do the scheduled water change today anyway.



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« Reply #1344 on: July 13, 2018, 02:08:39 PM »
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I'm sorry to hear that. Even though it is expected, it is always sad to lose a fish.

They can go from seeming to cope to at death's door in less than a day.
One of my rice fish (a female) developed a very swollen abdomen though with no pine coning, so I left her alone. Like your tetra she had trouble swimming (with her body vertical, tail upwards) but fed quite happily and bred - with rice fish the eggs hang from the vent till they get knocked off so it's obvious when they spawn. Then one day she was suddenly floating upside down at the surface so I decided the time had come to put her down.

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« Reply #1345 on: July 13, 2018, 02:49:14 PM »
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Sorry the old girl didn't make it fcmf... 

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« Reply #1346 on: July 13, 2018, 03:17:33 PM »
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Sorry to hear the sad news about your tetra.

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Sorry to hear about your tetra's passing, fcmf.

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Sorry to hear this fcmf

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« Reply #1349 on: July 13, 2018, 07:46:47 PM »
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Thanks, all, for your kind words. Ammonia and nitrite were still at 0 and nitrates perhaps just a little higher than usual. I think I thought the state of decomposition was further than it was because one eye seemed very badly affected - but I realise that that was due to her being caught in the hornwort under the hottest part of the light and obviously lying on her side. Any plants near the water surface get and smell singed, while I've been burnt from the light while undertaking tank maintenance and inadvertently touched the light. For that reason, I think her eye gave the impression she'd died several days ago, when it might not necessarily have been the case.

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