See less of these, become a Super Subscriber today!

Think Fish Keepers Daily News.

Author Topic: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.  (Read 56473 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Sue

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Think Fishy Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7213
  • Likes: 115
Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #850 on: September 13, 2017, 05:01:59 PM »
  • Likes On This Users Post 0
My peach coloured betta passed away on Sunday evening. He had spent the previous few days just lying on his side on the bottom of the tank and after we'd washed up the evening meal I noticed he was no longer breathing. I'd had him 29 and a half months, a good age for a betta.

Because the betta was so weak I had been only scooping water out and replacing it with new instead of doing a proper water change so I cleaned it properly yesterday. I knew I could only wait a week-ish so this morning we caught the bus to the Maidenhead Aquatics I got the peach betta from.
I narrowed it down to 4 quite quickly, then it took ages to finally decide. I finally decided that the black and white betta had the marble gene so would change colour; the pale orange with see through fins was a bit lethargic; and the bright red with blue edges was a double tail, so a lot of fin to carry round. That left the little orange chap with pale blue iridescence. I think he's a veiltail, I'll find out when he's grown a bit more.
He has been swimming round the tank since lunchtime, generally exploring his new territory. This MA keeps the bettas in a rack of individual tiny tanks - bigger than the cups a lot of shops use, but not in a tank with other fish - so my 26 litre tank must seem enormous. The chap in the shop said that the bettas are delivered in plastic bags the size of a teabag  :o so even those tiny tanks must seem huge to the fish when they first arrive.


Photos when he's settled in  :)

Offline Littlefish

  • Super Subscriber!
  • Hero Think Fishy Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2135
  • Likes: 92
  • aka Donna
Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #851 on: September 13, 2017, 06:24:59 PM »
  • Likes On This Users Post 0
@Sue sorry to hear that your betta finally passed, though at least it was peaceful at the end.

I hope that your new chap settles in quickly, and I'm looking forward to seeing pics.

Offline Matt

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Think Fishy Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 705
  • Likes: 28
Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #852 on: September 13, 2017, 06:31:11 PM »
  • Likes On This Users Post 0
 Sorry to hear about your Betta Sue, but equally excited to see your new addition! I hope he settles in well to his spacious abode overnight.
 :fishy1:

I saw some wild type Bettas on a recent trip to MA. The wild type can be kept together I believe as they were in the shop.  They dont have the colour or finnage of the splendens type but retain the personality.  They were clearly tired at the end of the day and had nearly all settled into a suitable resting place on the plant in the tank for the night.  Looked like a betta Christmas tree  :o

I was very tempted... but also under strict instructions!!...

Offline Sue

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Think Fishy Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7213
  • Likes: 115
Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #853 on: September 13, 2017, 06:47:25 PM »
  • Likes On This Users Post 0
I've always liked the non-splendens species of betta. If I ever get another tank of 50 to 60 litres I too would be very tempted  :)

Offline MarquisMirage

  • Super Subscriber!
  • Rocking Fishy Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 321
  • Likes: 17
  • aka Mark
Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #854 on: September 13, 2017, 10:04:14 PM »
  • Likes On This Users Post 0
If you do go for some wild types remember they require very different water than the splendens.  I would like some betta foerschi.

Offline Sue

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Think Fishy Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7213
  • Likes: 115
Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #855 on: September 14, 2017, 09:21:42 AM »
  • Likes On This Users Post 0
I would choose a species that does suit my tap water, something like B. imbellis or B. smaragdina. B. foerschi are lovely, but my hardness is right at the top edge of their range and my pH is too high. Though had my tap water been right for them, I would have gone for B. channoides  :)

Offline Sue

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Think Fishy Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7213
  • Likes: 115
Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #856 on: September 14, 2017, 07:26:16 PM »
  • Likes On This Users Post 0
Here are a couple of photos of my new betta. He won't keep still! When the light catches him, the tail half of his body also has a blue sheen to it.
He is still small, and I think his fins will grow some more. His tail is a bit split, probably damage during transit as he hadn't been in the shop long.

Offline Littlefish

  • Super Subscriber!
  • Hero Think Fishy Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2135
  • Likes: 92
  • aka Donna
Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #857 on: September 14, 2017, 09:04:52 PM »
  • Likes On This Users Post 0
Lovely looking betta.  ;D
I like the colouring.

Offline Sue

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Think Fishy Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7213
  • Likes: 115
Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #858 on: September 14, 2017, 09:59:33 PM »
  • Likes On This Users Post 0
I'm hoping he doesn't lose the blue as he gets older. My last betta did have green iridescent streaks in his tail, and they didn't fade, so I'm optimistic  :)

Offline Matt

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Think Fishy Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 705
  • Likes: 28
Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #859 on: September 15, 2017, 06:42:55 AM »
  • Likes On This Users Post 0
Wow I've not seen a Betts with iridescent blue on it  like that before. He's a stunner!  :fishy1:

Offline fcmf

  • Global Moderator Subscriber
  • Hero Think Fishy Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1679
  • Likes: 78
Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #860 on: September 16, 2017, 11:14:03 AM »
  • Likes On This Users Post 0
Sorry to read about your peach-coloured betta; I had been wondering about him. Lovely to read and see pics of your handsome new betta - wow, he really is gorgeous.

Not much news from here - fish are very active which is a joy to watch (and the x-ray tetra's longstanding wound is much more sealed and unexposed than it used to be, thanks to the recent treatment). The snail has been underground for most of the past week but surfaced yesterday and spent most of it sitting on the heater - he may be in for a surprise when it switches on more frequently now that we're into the autumn or perhaps that's what he likes.


Offline MarquisMirage

  • Super Subscriber!
  • Rocking Fishy Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 321
  • Likes: 17
  • aka Mark
Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #861 on: September 16, 2017, 12:25:48 PM »
  • Likes On This Users Post 0
Now I want a new betta!  :D  Stop showing me nice fishies (no don't stop!).

Offline Sue

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Think Fishy Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7213
  • Likes: 115
Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #862 on: September 16, 2017, 03:24:35 PM »
  • Likes On This Users Post 0
My 26 litre tank came with a silly lid. The idea is a nice one - a glass lid with a clip on the side LED light. But in reality, the glass is 2 inches narrower than the tank so there is either a big gap at one side or two smaller gaps, one at each side. It is held in place with two supports, one at each end.
This is my betta tank and bettas are notorious jumpers. Even males with those big tails are quite capable of jumping out of a tank. And the water evaporates quite quickly through the opening. So ever since I got it, I've had the glass at one side and a strip of condensation sheet over the gap. This stopped the betta jumping out but still allowed evaporation.

I decided enough was enough so I bought a piece of perspex. I spent an hour or so this morning cutting it to shape with a stanley knife - I'm glad I got 1.5 mm thick because that was hard enough. I had already bought more of the supports to hold the condensation sheet in the 50 litre tank I closed last year. So now instead of one support on each short end there are two supports on each long end. The tank is completely covered except for a small rectangle around the light clip. The perspex is in two pieces, a 1/3 piece and a 2/3 piece, and all I have to do to feed the betta is lift the 1/3 piece out of the way.


I should have done this years ago  ;D

Offline Matt

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Think Fishy Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 705
  • Likes: 28
Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #863 on: September 17, 2017, 09:19:02 AM »
  • Likes On This Users Post 0
Sounds like a great DIY Fishkeeping moment Sue... Any chance of a photo!?!?  ::)

Offline Sue

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Think Fishy Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7213
  • Likes: 115
Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #864 on: September 17, 2017, 10:42:39 AM »
  • Likes On This Users Post 0
I was going to take a photo but then I noticed that the perspex was sagging in the middle  :( I think 1.5 mm might be a bit too thin. I used a sheet of 2 mm perspex as a lid for my quarantine tank which doesn't sag, but that sits on top of the tank with just a corner cut off for cables. I can't do that with the betta's tank. It has sort of handles at the sides so it has to sit inside the glass walls, and I had to cut a rectangle out of one edge for the light clip, and I didn't think I could manage to do this on anything thicker than 1.5 mm.
This morning I have cut some lengths of old catenary wires as supports while i think of something else. (The catenary wires are from husband's old model railway, they are very useful for moving things such as upside down nerite snails without getting my hands wet)

This is the tank Aqua One AquaSpace The photo of the white tank shows the support clips and you can see the glass lid sitting just below the level of the top of the walls.

Offline Matt

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Think Fishy Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 705
  • Likes: 28
Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #865 on: September 17, 2017, 11:47:44 AM »
  • Likes On This Users Post 0
Hmmm... do you have enough spare perspex to do a strip spanning the width of the tank?

Offline Sue

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Think Fishy Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7213
  • Likes: 115
Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #866 on: September 17, 2017, 12:05:34 PM »
  • Likes On This Users Post 0
I have a few bits of perspex left over. But the supports are along the longest edges so any strengthening has to be on these supports as well.


Question for those who know more about these things than me - would thicker perspex still sag in the middle or would it be more rigid? My elder son has his own one man handyman company and he might have some equipment that will cut perspex better than a stanley knife. I'll have to ask him  :)

Offline Matt

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Think Fishy Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 705
  • Likes: 28
Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #867 on: September 17, 2017, 01:38:38 PM »
  • Likes On This Users Post 0
It would Sue... but...

Could you not put three strips on? One across the tank at the back, one at the front, and one where the two pieces join? Then it would all be supported and level.  Does that make sense?

Offline Sue

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Think Fishy Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7213
  • Likes: 115
Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #868 on: September 17, 2017, 02:58:25 PM »
  • Likes On This Users Post 0
I've attached some photos to show what I mean. The tanks is sideways on because there are no cupboards under the kitchen worktop so it sits longways over the end panel supporting this end of the worktop. There is a wall cupboard above the tank so the top view is not taken from straight over which is why the tanks looks mis-shaped  :) Please ignore the junk on the rest of the worktop  :-[

The light has to clip on to one of the long sides as those 'handles' over the short ends are in the way. So the original glass lid ran from short side to short side with supporting clips under the 'handles'. The gap between the glass and the tank walls allowed room for the light clip.
But this gap was just too small to feed the fish properly. I think my last betta was going blind and if the food drifted away he couldn't find it - and with just that thin strip of non-glass, I couldn't rescue it either.

I had already got some more supporting brackets from when I had my 50 litre tank and I kept them when I sold the tank. So I relocated the support strips on this tank from the sides to the front, and put 2 more at the back, then cut the perspex so I had a much wider feeding hole. But I don't have any more brackets to put at the sides of the tank.

In the side view photo you can see the sag in the middle of the perspex. At least the condensation does collect at the lowest point and drip back into the tank.
The front view photo shows the 'handles' on the side, and the position of the supporting brackets.
The top view shows the join to the right of the light and also the strips of catenary wire under the perspex (which are also sagging in the middle, but not as badly as the perspex would without them).


I think some metal strips or even rigid plastic ones under the two pieces would be better than catenary wire.

Offline Matt

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Think Fishy Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 705
  • Likes: 28
Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #869 on: September 17, 2017, 04:31:05 PM »
  • Likes On This Users Post 0

Offline Sue

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Think Fishy Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7213
  • Likes: 115
Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #870 on: September 17, 2017, 04:42:26 PM »
  • Likes On This Users Post 0
The link doesn't work  ???

This tank has thin glass. I did buy some other cover glass supports but they are for thicker glass and just wobble around. The only ones I could find that were for the right thickness glass were the very expensive ones that came with the tank. I bought a second pair to use with the original pair on the 50 litre tank to hold the condensation sheet, and I used the ones for the thicker glass on this one for a while but I did not like them.

To be honest, if the perspex doesn't bend so much that it falls in the tank I'll put up with it. The curve does mean the condensation drips back in the tank in the middle. I probably wouldn't even have noticed if the tank was the right way round  ;D

Offline Andy The Minion

  • Super Subscriber!
  • Rocking Fishy Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 332
  • Likes: 17
  • Tropical Fish Forum User
Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #871 on: September 17, 2017, 10:14:51 PM »
  • Likes On This Users Post 0
@Sue Perspex sheet does have a tendency to bend, but it will be very related to the unsupported span, increased thickness will also mean increased weight and could cancel out the advantage. I use 8 and 10mm perspex as tank top and evaporation covers and even with a central support the corners bow up slightly at the end of a week. I invert them every week and this is sufficient to keep them flat.
Greenhouse plastic sheet might be a better option, they are made of double layers and the linking web is at right angles to the surfaces so it adds considerable strength, plus they are much lighter to start with. The down side is the common sheets are 5-6mm thick plus water can enter the hollow channels and could be unsightly.

Offline Sue

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Think Fishy Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7213
  • Likes: 115
Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #872 on: September 18, 2017, 09:33:02 AM »
  • Likes On This Users Post 0
Andy, I did make the cover for my quarantine tank from a perspex greenhouse pane, but it doesn't sound the same as you describe. The one I bought was a single layer 2 mm thick. That one never sagged in the middle, possibly because it overhangs the tank on all four sides.


I don't really mind the sagging as long as it doesn't sag so much that it falls off the the supports. And at least all the condensation drips back into the tank unlike the QT where some runs under the perspex and down the outside of the tank.

Offline Andy The Minion

  • Super Subscriber!
  • Rocking Fishy Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 332
  • Likes: 17
  • Tropical Fish Forum User
Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #873 on: September 19, 2017, 08:08:40 PM »
  • Likes On This Users Post 0
This is odd, I posted a reply this thread yesterday but it's not shown.
Okay try again, @Sue  The sheet I use is polycarbonate. It did occur that you could cut a sheet and trim the edge so the underside of the top surface rests on the rim while the bottom surface will be below the tank top and prevent dripping. The lip formed should also centre the lid in the tank and not require any support. I did a sketch, it took all of 5 seconds so don't laugh.

Offline Sue

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Think Fishy Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7213
  • Likes: 115
Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #874 on: September 19, 2017, 09:44:34 PM »
  • Likes On This Users Post 0
Thanks Andy. If my plan B fails I'll have a go at that.

Plan B - I had a rummage in my box of bits, and found the four small glass supports that are a bit wide that I thought I'd thrown away. I also found two glass strips. These were in my very first tank which sprung a leak a few years ago. They were the bracer bars along the front and back edge and for some reason I kept them when I dismantled the tank to take it to the flat glass skip. So if I can lay my hands on a glass cutter (hmm, does my son have one?) I can trim one of the glass strips then superglue the cut edge to one of the plastic supports. Maybe glue the other end to another one as well. Then place this from short side to short side under the perspex.

The only thing I'm not sure about is will superglue attach glass to plastic?

Offline Matt

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Think Fishy Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 705
  • Likes: 28
Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #875 on: September 19, 2017, 09:55:43 PM »
  • Likes On This Users Post 0
Not sure... you do seem to be able to purchase glass glue which is so that you get a clear joint when it dries... probably doable but messy.  Could you try it 'offline' first?

Aquarium silicone would do it if you have any?

Offline Sue

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Think Fishy Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7213
  • Likes: 115
Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #876 on: September 19, 2017, 10:05:42 PM »
  • Likes On This Users Post 0
I have tried using silicone on plastic before and it didn't stick  :( Would glass adhesive work on plastic? I have used that before to glue glass together when I broke half the base off a wine glass, and you can hardly see the join.

These are the kind of cover glass supports I found in the box. I was going to try gluing one to each end of the glass strip to support the perspex. Or just glue one end and leave the other loose.

Offline Matt

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Think Fishy Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 705
  • Likes: 28
Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #877 on: Today at 06:14:22 AM »
  • Likes On This Users Post 0
Gut feeling is yes it would do glass to plastic, especially if you sanded the surface of the plastic BUT I'm completely guessing at all of this  :(  Does it not say on the packet what it can be used for?

Offline Sue

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero Think Fishy Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7213
  • Likes: 115
Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #878 on: Today at 09:08:28 AM »
  • Likes On This Users Post 0
I'll have to wait a while to look at the pack. It's in a kitchen drawer and the kitchen is currently full of plumbers fitting a new boiler  ;D


But I still need to cut the end off the glass trip to make it fit and I'm reluctant to buy a tool I'll probably never use again. Once the plumbers have finished, I'll ring my son. He drives a van and with the van already on the drive it would get a bit congested if he came over now  :)

See less of these, become a Super Subscriber today!

See less of these, become a Super Subscriber today (see below)

** Become a ThinkFish Super Subscriber **

It takes time and money to keep ThinkFish going, if you'd like to help, then a one off Donation or a Subscription of your choice would be fantastic. Starting from less than 2p per day; your subscription will help fund new articles, pay for server costs and help fund development and promotion initiatives, helping us bring you more of the good stuff you love! You'll also see less ads. Why not become a Super Subscriber today!?
 

Sitemap 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 

Think Fish © 2004-2018 | Keeping Tropical Fish Forum - Everything you need for your Tropical Fish hobby

Tropical Fish Help and Advice
Tropical Fish Keeping Community
General Non-Fishkeeping Chat
Legal | Contact
SEO Services in Kent
Follow Think Fish on: