Think Fish Keepers Daily News. [2016-2019]

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« Reply #340 on: September 17, 2016, 12:14:39 PM »
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Having had to remove about 75% of the plants, all of which had died, all I can say is thank goodness my fishkeeping skills are vastly superior to my plantkeeping skills. Not giving up, though!

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« Reply #341 on: September 17, 2016, 12:31:06 PM »
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My son just phoned me, he went to visit the famous 'Pier Aquatics' today and came away feeling less than impressed. He said they had some interesting big fish but that Crews Hill has more variety

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« Reply #342 on: September 17, 2016, 01:57:56 PM »
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Interesting. It is a few years since I went there - at least 5 as that's how long since my mother came to live with us. Back 5+ years ago they had a bigger variety of fish than I'd ever seen elsewhere. Either Crews Hill is unusually large or Pier Aq have gone downhill.

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« Reply #343 on: September 18, 2016, 02:49:53 PM »
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I think it's more to do with the fact that there are a lot of fish shops there, they all stock the usual but they also all have 'unusual' stock. Unless my son was just sayig it to make me feel better  ::)

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« Reply #344 on: September 20, 2016, 05:07:14 PM »
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I finally gave in. My husband has been nagging me for years about too many tanks. I now no longer have a 50 litre tank  :'(

We are have having some alterations done to the kitchen and I will admit where he can't see it that the tank will be in the way. I have spent this afternoon emptying the tank bucket by bucket and searching for shrimps in every one. I counted everything and I have moved 7 pygmy cories, 5 Boraras brigittae, 2 Boraras maculatus and.....93 red cherry shrimps into the 180 litre tank.
I've also had a plant reshuffle. The bolbitis in the main tank tank was looking very sorry for itself after 3 months with no fish, so the wood with bolbitis from the 50 has gone into the 180. The tatty bolbitis has been removed from its wood and the best bits attached to another piece of wood. The large anubias, which refused to attach to its piece of wood, has now been fastened to the wood the bolbitis was on. And I threw away the bits of hornwort in the betta's tank and moved the wood with some hornwort in from the 50 litre.




I now have rather a lot of unwanted hornwort sitting in a bucket of water. If anyone wants some, send me a message. It is shrimp safe but cannot be guaranteed snail free.

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Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #345 on: September 20, 2016, 07:08:43 PM »
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Time for some photos methinks Sue!!  :raspberries

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« Reply #346 on: September 20, 2016, 07:12:54 PM »
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Oh goodness - that is some news but I understand your rationale. Glad you have managed to locate everyone (and 93 red cherry shrimps - wow!) and that they're all safely in the larger tank. Looking forward to seeing some pics once the 180-litre is finally complete.

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« Reply #347 on: September 20, 2016, 07:20:32 PM »
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I had been debating what else I could put in the 180, at least this has solved that dilemma  ;D The Boraras and shrimps fit in with the Asian theme but the south American cories don't. Oh well, can't always get everything 100% right. I am fully expecting the baby shrimps will be a light snack for the peacock gudgeons, if no other fish.
The shrimps ranged in size from a couple of mm to about 2 cm adults. I hate to think of how many babies I didn't find  :-\

I was in the middle of emptying the tank when the fish shop phoned to say they had just got more stiphodons and peacock gudgeons, so we'll go and collect those tomorrow. I bought the last two stiphs in the shop and needed more of the same species which is why I waited for this shop rather than going elsewhere. And the three remaining gudgeons (out of 4) are all female so I need a couple of males.


The betta is swimming round exploring all the new hornwort. He seems happy enough even if I have removed his plant pot cave. He does have more bits of wood to hide under.

I'll take some photos once the tanks have settled down a bit.

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« Reply #348 on: September 20, 2016, 08:03:29 PM »
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I had been debating what else I could put in the 180, at least this has solved that dilemma  ;D The Boraras and shrimps fit in with the Asian theme but the south American cories don't.
It can be good when the decision is taken out of your hands sometimes. As for the Asian and South American fish, I'm all "for" the promotion of good international relations, and my tetra and harlies are getting on very well - increasingly, I see them inter-shoaling (eg little harlies and little tetras playing together, while the two female tetras swim laps in synchronised fashion and the bachelor gang of harlies plot or create mischief elsewhere).

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« Reply #349 on: September 20, 2016, 09:01:31 PM »
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@Sue  first it was like a physical pain when I heard that you were getting rid of a tank, but then I read the part about the 93 red cherry shrimp and couldn't help chuckling. That is quite some number of shrimp.
I agree with fcmf, and as nice as it is to have everything regionally correct in your tank, sometimes you just have to mix things up and see how they get on.
Great to hear that your betta is enjoying his hornwort.
I'm looking forward to seeing some pictures.  ;D

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Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #350 on: September 20, 2016, 10:08:00 PM »
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I managed to rescue 3 rcs babies at my last water change but I'm not sure they escaped from my pesky rams when they were reintroduced to the tank... I must think more about doing an unfiltered unheated bowl for them, but worry that they might not survive.  It would definitely be me to blame as such if they didn't...

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« Reply #351 on: September 21, 2016, 08:49:33 AM »
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It is very easy to suck up baby shrimps during a water change. I don't suck up nearly as many adults as they are strong enough to swim away from the water current, but I usually manage to suck up at least one

When I emptied the 50 litre, I removed 2 x 10 litre buckets and rescued mainly baby shrimps from those. Then I netted all the fish and the shrimps that I could see and put them into another bucket containing a few inches of tank water. Then two more buckets of water with close hoovering of the sand, and rescuing a lot more baby shrimps. I was now down to the last inch of water and finally caught the last few adults that wouldn't be sucked up, then hoovered the sand out of the tank. I then emptied the bucket with the fish and shrimps into the 180 litre and then scooped out some water back into the bucket. Finally I turned to the other two buckets, one with the filter and heater in, the other with all the plants in. I used the water from the 180 litre to rinse the sock that was over the filter, the filter itself and then I dunked and swished all the plants - and found 15 more baby shrimps.
I kept count by writing down the number of shrimps found in each bucket, and the number I caught with the net otherwise I'd have lost count.

Baby shrimps get everywhere.  ;D

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« Reply #352 on: September 21, 2016, 12:15:31 PM »
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I'm very impressed you gave in Sue but can see the sense in it. My supposed QT ended up with substrate and plants but as soon as I can move my 200l I'm stripping it right down. I don't think I'll have the time for all the maintenance of so many tanks when I start uni next week.

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« Reply #353 on: September 21, 2016, 08:03:48 PM »
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Have got some more fish   :)

Two peacock gudgeons, one I'm 100% certain is male, the other I'm 90% sure; four more "indie blue" stiphodons, and the last two pygmy cories in the shop bringing the number up to nine.


Hmm, I need to check with the CC.......

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« Reply #354 on: September 21, 2016, 09:26:54 PM »
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Excellent and very exciting news!   :cheers:

Let us know what the CC says...

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« Reply #355 on: September 21, 2016, 09:28:53 PM »
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@Sue yeah, more fish. Such lovely ones too.  ;D
I'm looking forward to seeing some pictures of your tank.  8)

I'm quite pleased this evening as my platy in the quarantine tank is looking better already. She was still at the back of the tank, hiding behind some decor, so I was a little worried. I admit to talking to my fish, and after a few "how's my Mummy fish", and "there's a good girl", she came out of hiding and swam to the front of the tank. She's looking clearer than on Monday, and she's had some dinner, so I'm looking forward to giving her the last dose tomorrow.

If all spots are gone is it ok to move her back to the main tank on the weekend?

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« Reply #356 on: September 22, 2016, 08:56:22 AM »
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I would wait for a few days after the last spot has gone just in case one 'bug' escaped being poisoned.
How are the fish in the tank she was in doing re spots? There are differing opinions on whitespot. Some say that just one bug getting into a tank will result in all the fish becoming infected; others say there are bugs in the tank at all times and it's only fish that are unable to fight them off that get infected; and a third opinion says the bugs are on the fish where we can't see them - in the gills. I haven't yet read any statement that research has conclusively proved one of these, but it may be I just haven't found it yet.


The CC is a bit awkward as only pygmy cories and peacock gudgeons are in the profiles so I've had to substitute fish. And as I'm running two filters, I've classed it as 'oversized internal'. According to the CC I have:
15 slender harlequins (for 15 hengel's rasboras)
18 glowlight tetras (for 18 ricefish)
5 peacock gudgeons
6 otocinclus (for 6 stiphodons)
9 pygmy cories
5 axelrod's rasboras (for 5 very small Boraras brigitae and 2 slightly larger B maculatus)
80 japonica shrimps (instead of 93 cherry shrimps, and they count zero towards my stocking level, thank goodness)
5 snails (apple snails instead of nerites, but they also count as zero)

This makes me 81% stocked. If I switch to internal instead of oversized, that makes 97%. I'll just do bigger or more frequent water changes  :)

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Re: Think Fish Keepers Daily News.
« Reply #357 on: September 22, 2016, 05:02:43 PM »
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Thanks Sue  perhaps I'll keep her in there until next week just to be on the safe side. Currently I don't need the tank for anything else, so no need to rush her out. As for the main tank, nothing noticed yet, but keeping a close eye on all. I noticed on the esha2000 instructions it said that it can be used at a one off dose as a disinfectant for the whole tank, and that it is "well tolerated by...shrimps". Really? Has anyone ( @Sue  and @Fiona  I know I've heard you mention using esha2000 to treat) had any experience of using it on a whole tank? and especially a tank containing shrimp? Would it be a good idea to use the disinfectant dose on the temperate tanks this week, then move Mummy fish from the quarantine tank next week? Would the disinfectant dose help or could it cause any problems? Would it also be of any use in the other tanks, especially the dwarf puffer tank, would it help the fluffy growth on the wood? Any suggestions welcome, thanks.

As for your CC calculations Sue, I've always classed tanks where I'm running 2 filters as overfiltered. Often at least one of the filters is oversized even on it's own. I have no doubt that your tank will flourish whatever calculation you go with, and I'm looking forward to seeing your pics.  8)

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« Reply #358 on: September 22, 2016, 05:03:39 PM »
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I'm beginning to think that moving the fish from the 50 litre to the 180 litre wasn't a bad move. I have done a water change on the 180 this afternoon and the fish behaviour was quite interesting.

The hengel's rasboras clustered together in the corner as usual
The ricefish swam all over the tank, including dangerously near the siphon tube, as usual.

In the 50 litre, the cories and Boraras all hid in the hornwort tangle. Today they swam round the tank in their shoals (all Boraras as one shoal) and ignored what I was doing. Their behaviour was totally different in the big tank.
I keep reading that even 60 litres is small to fish, and I'm beginning to think they are right.

And the 100% sure male I got yesterday spent the entire water change displaying to a female, and pushing her into his cave with his body :o

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« Reply #359 on: September 22, 2016, 05:08:21 PM »
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Fantastic news Sue. Glad to hear that the fish are enjoying the larger tank, and to hear that the male is displaying is pretty awesome, even though his tactics are less than subtle.  :rotfl:

 


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