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Offline Sue

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Re: Bought a tank!
« Reply #80 on: June 05, 2014, 06:41:53 PM »
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I know the dilution test is only very rough but keep an eye on the nitrite level. If it appears to be over 15ppm, do a water change. That's the level that stalls the cycle.

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Re: Bought a tank!
« Reply #81 on: June 06, 2014, 08:05:47 AM »
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Ok. Thanks Sue.
Good news this morning the nitrites are on the move, 0.5 this am. So have added more ammonia.

Taking one of the snails back to MA. It was quite clearly dead when I bought it, not moved in the 24 hours after putting it in the tank. Now it's got to the stage where it's come out of its shell, completely.
Feel a bit silly for buying them from there in the first place, it's cos they were cheaper than pets at home.

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Re: Bought a tank!
« Reply #82 on: June 06, 2014, 10:26:19 AM »
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Congrats on the nitrite  :cheers: Not long to go now.

MA is usually better than P@H, though as they are both franchises it does depend on the branch manager.

Snails do come out of the shell when dead and they stink. If a snail stops moving, taking it out of the tank and sniffing it is the way to check if it's dead or not. But only a tiny sniff. That smell is horrible and lingers in the nose for hours.

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Re: Bought a tank!
« Reply #83 on: June 06, 2014, 11:23:57 AM »
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Lol!
They were very nice in the shop and replaced snail with live one without question.

So now I've been browsing!!
New thoughts, re fish:
Green neon rasbora?? With ember tetra, so say nine of each.?? And some cories.
Need to look into temperature and other requirements of the rasbora.
Also saw black harlequin rasbora. Quite big though, much bigger than the harlequin rasbora also for sale. Prob too big for my tank?

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Re: Bought a tank!
« Reply #84 on: June 06, 2014, 11:50:31 AM »
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Oh dear, I already feel the need for a bigger tank coming on!

It turns out that not only are black harlequin rasbora rather beautiful, they are also from Selangor in Malaysia, where I did my masters research project for three months.

But they are too big for my tank!!

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Re: Bought a tank!
« Reply #85 on: June 06, 2014, 11:54:43 AM »
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Oh dear, I already feel the need for a bigger tank coming on!

It turns out that not only are black harlequin rasbora rather beautiful, they are also from Selangor in Malaysia, where I did my masters research project for three months.

But they are too big for my current tank!!

There, fixed it for you!  ;)

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Re: Bought a tank!
« Reply #86 on: June 06, 2014, 12:20:32 PM »
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Do you mean neon green rasboras? I have some of those. They don't look much in the shop tanks but are much nicer when settled in your tank. They aren't bright green in the way that ember tetra are bright red, but they are definitely green particularly when the light catches them.
And I also have ember tetras. They are similar sized fish and I do like the way the orange-red and green go together. They also have the same water requirements.

When it comes to the community creator you won't be able to add the rasboras as they aren't in the database. Just pretend they are ember tetras or galaxy rasboras.



However, I have also seen some fish labelled as neon green rasboras that were not Microdevarios as they had black in their dorsal fins. I haven't worked out what they were.

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Re: Bought a tank!
« Reply #87 on: June 06, 2014, 01:32:38 PM »
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Thanks Colin, that was surprisingly painless!

Thanks Sue, yes those are the ones. They are already beautiful, even in the shop. (Unlike the CPDs which are pretty dull) Will need to make sure my pH is suitable.

After initial disappointment that I can't have several different shapes and sizes I'm really warming to the idea of 'small tank, small fish' as I think the whole thing will look better that way.

So for my next project "Telok Penyamon" a variety of South East Asian species.
Telok Penyamon means valley of theives  (I think!!) and was the name of one of the villages we stayed in in Selangor.
So it will have to be valley shaped. And big!

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Re: Bought a tank!
« Reply #88 on: June 08, 2014, 01:05:00 PM »
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Have been messing about with the tank again.
Or I should say, trying to sort out the pump issues. Decided it was quieter on its side, so took out the heater and relocated to the compartment containing the filter media, so had to relocate them to the compartment with sponge, so had to chop a chunk off the sponge for both to fit.
So far so good.

Then realised the tank was getting fuller and fuller.
Nearly but not quite overflowing. The pump was pushing out water quicker than it was being replaced... Much quicker.
So I thought it was the filter floss I put straight behind the inlet, getting too clogged to let water through. Changed that.
Still happening.
Finally realised that the filter cartridge supplied with the tank was clogged and not letting water through that. Lifted it slightly off the bottom so now water is getting under it. But not through it. So one filter type is effectively out of action.
So that's the double whammy of smaller sponge and less filter media. I still have the stuff I got from MA ready seeded.

During all this the small piece of sponge I wedged into the outlet to prevent fish entering, has been spat out.

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Re: Bought a tank!
« Reply #89 on: June 10, 2014, 07:46:50 PM »
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Just noticed a minor explosion of invertebrates in the tank this evening. Not done anything with the tank today except test the water. Yesterday I made a few changes, as detailed above. I also vacuumed the substrate.
I've suddenly got loads of snails (tiny babies, but not ramshorns) on the walls of the tank, and on the black glass at the back I've got some tiny white worms. About half cm long and thread thin. Any ideas what they are? Are they bad news? What could have caused them to suddenly appear? I have no livestock in the tank, just plants.
I'm not sure if they are swimming in the water column too as they are easy to see on the black surface.
Ammonia is clearing nicely, getting to zero in 24 hours after increasing to 2ppm, nitrites are taking longer, nitrates are high 160 I think.

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Re: Bought a tank!
« Reply #90 on: June 11, 2014, 04:44:13 PM »
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I think we are getting somewhere with this tank... Ammonia and nitrites 0, 24 hours after dosing to 1ppm.
Now dosed to 2ppm, retesting tomorrow afternoon.

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Re: Bought a tank!
« Reply #91 on: June 11, 2014, 04:51:40 PM »
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Sounds good to me. As the ammonia ends up as nitrates, what are your nitrates doing? They should be going up as the nitrites go down. You could always do a comparison between the nitrates in the water you put in the tank compared to what you take out. It's always good to do that now and again anyway as a matter of course, especially as you build up your community of fish.

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Re: Bought a tank!
« Reply #92 on: June 11, 2014, 07:01:45 PM »
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Really high, Colin.
Last time I measured, yesterday I think they were ~160 which is as high as my test will measure.




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Re: Bought a tank!
« Reply #93 on: June 11, 2014, 07:06:18 PM »
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If you find the cycle stalls, do a water change to get rid of some nitrate. When the cycle finishes, make sure you do a really big water change before getting fish to get the nitrate level right down.

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Re: Bought a tank!
« Reply #94 on: June 12, 2014, 06:43:32 PM »
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Ok will do. Thanks Sue.
Ammonia was 0 this afternoon, 24hrs after topping up to 2ppm.
Nitrite was five.
Am I waiting for double zero before topping up again? Or keeping it topped up until nitrite gone in 24hrs?
Thanks.

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Re: Bought a tank!
« Reply #95 on: June 12, 2014, 07:13:12 PM »
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Wait for 48 hours after adding ammonia and test again. If the nitrite reading is still high, wait another day. If it is still 5 or more, do a big water change and add another 2ppm ammonia as the nitrite eaters could be inhibited by the nitrate level.

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Re: Bought a tank!
« Reply #96 on: June 12, 2014, 07:53:23 PM »
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Thanks Sue, but I have a confession, soon after writing I tested again, and nitrite was zero!
So have added more ammonia.
Can I ask about the nitrates? I'm going to re read the new cycling method so it'll probably answer me, don't worry if you know it does.
But is it usual to have to change the water because of high nitrates? Is this one of the reasons for cycles stalling, as well as overly high nitrites? Will I need to do a dilution test to see how high it is?

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Re: Bought a tank!
« Reply #97 on: June 12, 2014, 07:58:25 PM »
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Ok, so now I've read it again I realise I've not been following the method properly at all!
But I guess I'll get there, I think it's nearly finished anyway!

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Re: Bought a tank!
« Reply #98 on: June 13, 2014, 10:37:12 AM »
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The old method of fishless cycling, which used 5ppm doses of ammonia every time that dropped to zero, resulted in very high nitrite in the middle of the cycle and nitrate at the end of the cycle. This was the main reason the chap who devised the new method lowered the amount of ammonia added. This stops the nitrite level ever getting high enough to inhibit the nitrite eating bacteria and stops nitrate getting extremely high towards the end. With the new method, you still get high nitrate, but not nearly so high as with the old method. But I don't know high high nitrate has to be before it affects the cycle's progress.
The problem with a dilution test is that the nitrate tester is only ball park at best and diluting it will introduce further inaccuracy.

The main thing to aim for is double zeros 24 hours after adding a 3ppm dose of ammonia; and a big (100% if possible) water change just before you get fish if the nitrate is very high.

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Re: Bought a tank!
« Reply #99 on: June 13, 2014, 02:14:39 PM »
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Thanks Sue, I don't think the nitrates will be excessively high, as I did a water change earlier in the month, and have only been adding ammonia to 2ppm so far. I won't bother with the dilution test. (Also I do have a few plants)
Ammonia is now disappearing after less than twelve hours, but nitrite is taking more than 24.

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