Stocking A 240l

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Stocking a 240l
« on: June 15, 2017, 08:25:26 AM »
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Hiya guys! I'm looking for a larger fish which aren't discus or angels to to in a 240l. The only thing I'm 100% sure on stocking is German blue rams. Whatever I gets needs to work with them. The tank is heavily planted with wood and rock.

Tank perams;
ph being 6.5 gh being >7 and kh being about 5

Local water: hard, ph 7.5, 113.1mg/l calcium


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Re: Stocking a 240l
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2017, 11:25:49 AM »
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Your local water hardness converts to almost 16 dH,which fits in with your tank parameters being over 7. It's a lot over 7.
But your KH is low, unusual though not impossible with high GH, and your pH is a lot lower than the local water level.

Are you doing anything to your tap water such as mixing it with RO?



We need to know exactly how hard the tank water is before suggesting fish, over 7 could be anything between 7 and the 16 dH given by your water company.

But I would not risk rams in a hardness of over 7.




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Re: Stocking a 240l
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2017, 11:33:01 AM »
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I use tropica soil powder which lowers ph, kh, and gh. I'm already keeping and spawning rams in a smaller tank with the same peramaters.

Filtration wise I have an aps 2000 with UV.

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Re: Stocking a 240l
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2017, 11:56:38 AM »
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I would be very interested to know how that soil powder can reduce hardness. As far as I'm aware the only way to do that is by removing calcium and magnesium from the water or diluting them with pure water  ???


The rams you already have may well have had tank bred ancestors for generations. It is wild caught rams and those tank bred rams with recent wild caught ancestors that suffer in anything other than very soft water. Tank-bred-for-generations rams can also cope with 'normal' temperatures while wild caught need water at around 28 deg C.


Small shoaling fish are easy - anything for the Amazon region will go with rams. Larger fish are more difficult if you don't want angels or discus (which do need higher temps).
The larger gouramis - pearl, three spot colour varieties, snakeskin etc - would fit the bill size-wise but I am not sure about mixing their temperaments.
if you don't mind a larger shoaling fish, some of the tetras and barbs could work.

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Re: Stocking a 240l
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2017, 12:02:36 PM »
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I have no clue how it works, I just know my water tests read totally different now I use tge stuff haha.

I keep my tanks at 28 for the rams :)

I would actually have liked angels, but apparently they're liable to turn highly aggressive as they mature? I love them but I'd like more fish in the tank than just a mated pair of angels  :(

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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2017, 01:48:43 PM »
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Do you intend having the 240 litre tank at 28 C as well? That will reduce the options quite a lot as there are few fish that can cope with that temp long term. In fact the only large fish I can think of that likes that temp is discus. And there are only a few species of smaller shoaling fish that are happy at that temp  :-\

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Re: Stocking a 240l
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2017, 04:32:30 PM »
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I was going to have it at 27 so I had more flexibility, unless you feel I should go lower? I'll be keeping gold faced blue rams, so a line bred strain.

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Re: Stocking a 240l
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2017, 04:55:45 PM »
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I'll have to see what I can come up with.

Anyone else got any suggestions?

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Re: Stocking a 240l
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2017, 05:04:51 PM »
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Cheers sue!

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Re: Stocking a 240l
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2017, 10:10:06 PM »
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There's quite a few fish in the profiles on here that look to be ok at 27°C... am I missing something?

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Re: Stocking a 240l
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2017, 10:46:23 PM »
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I think sue just means larger fish? I'm looking at a shoal of emperor tetra (kirri) for dithers, but I'd still like something larger to go with them.

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Re: Stocking a 240l
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2017, 09:47:18 AM »
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Yes I am thinking of larger fish, there are several smaller fish.

But just because a fish has 27 deg right at the top end of its range does not mean it should be kept at that temp. We should aim to keep fish in the middle of its range.




The reason I'm having problems with larger tankmates is because of the comments on Seriously Fish saying that particularly recommended tankmates are "open water-dwelling characids or similar" (tetras and such like that swim higher up in the tank) and to avoid "territorial and aggressive fish such as most other cichlids".

From Tropical Fish Hobbyist magazine - rams need peaceful, docile, slow moving, tranquil tank mates.

PFK says rams (and other dwarf south American cichlids) are best as a single pair in a tank of non-cichlids.





You can why I'm having trouble with ideas  :(

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Re: Stocking a 240l
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2017, 01:47:43 PM »
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That's the issue I've been having, Sue :-\

I don't mind larger schooling fish if that helps.

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Re: Stocking a 240l
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2017, 03:00:11 PM »
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Shoaling fish I've seen recommended for rams (though most will be too small):
Bleeding heart tetra
Cardinal tetra
Rummy nose tetra

You might get away with dwarf rainbowfish (Melanotaenia praecox) if you don't mind mixing continents.

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Re: Stocking a 240l
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2017, 03:09:23 PM »
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I don't mind mixing continents; I hadn't considered dwarf rainbows because I always thought they were bland, but having looked at videos of them they seem quite colourful?

I've also considered diamond tetra and congo tetra

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Re: Stocking a 240l
« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2017, 03:13:17 PM »
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Most fish in shops are pale and washed out because they are stressed. Dwarf rainbowfish have lovely pale blue metallic bodies with coloured fins. And the same applies to diamond and congo tetras, they will look a lot prettier once they settle into a tank.

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Re: Stocking a 240l
« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2017, 03:19:27 PM »
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That's what I've been thinking. I'm also considering threadfin rainbows for my smaller fish, which probably would rule out congos who can be nippy?

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Re: Stocking a 240l
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2017, 03:29:40 PM »
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I've never kept diamond or congo tetras, but Seriously Fish comments that it is diamond tetras that can be nippy and that congo tetras should not be kept with nippy fish as their tails can get nipped.
But SF also says that congo tetras might scare timid fish fish with their fast swimming, and so many sites recommend tranquil (ie slow swimming) tank mates for rams.


It took me about three months to decide what to restock my 180 litre tank with last year......

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Re: Stocking a 240l
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2017, 03:45:05 PM »
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Yeah, I'm seriously struggling 😖

The only bigger fish I can think of are;
Diamond tetra
Congo Tetra
Pearl Gourami
Angelfish
Boesmani Rainbows
Dwarf Rainbows
Discus

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« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2017, 03:59:05 PM »
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I would leave gouramis and angelfish off the list because of compatibility. But I had not considered boeseman rainbows because I know they are harder water fish. Checking on SF I see that they are OK down to 10 German deg. Their lower end is right at the top of rams hardness range so they don't really overlap. Boesemanis also need a 48 inch long tank - I know your tank is big, but is it long or tall?

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