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Re: please help with my fish tank community question
« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2016, 10:33:47 PM »
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and what fish shoal the best and are the tightest shoalers as i have one male harlequin to 5 females and the male keeps wondering off on his own

Harlequins shoal well but you'll find that, as they become more familiar with their environment, fish will disperse in the tank rather than shoal closely together. I do love the way my harlequins shoal up late in the evening just before "lights out", with the tetras slightly more dispersed just below them.

What you'll also find is that fishes' behaviour changes over time. I had a loner tetra in his first few months but now he spends his time equally with the others, on his own, and cosying up with one of the females. Similarly, there's currently a gang of 3 harlequins that hang out together but I don't necessarily see that as being a permanent arrangement.

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Re: please help with my fish tank community question
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2016, 10:36:03 PM »
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thats not that bad then i just can't understand with he would go with all them ladies  ???

A Selection of Fish in my Fish Community Creator Tanks
Siamese Fighting Fish (male) (1) - Angelfish (2) - Ram / Butterfly Cichlid (2) - Golden Nugget Plec (1) - Rainbow Shark (1) - Rummy Nose Tetra (3) - Dwarf Gourami (4) - Cherry Barb (10) - Bristlenose Plec (3) - Japonica Shrimp (15) - Marbled Hatchetfish (3) - Otocinclus (6) - Rosy Tetra (5) - Bleeding Heart Tetra (5) - Black Neon Tetra (6) - Assassin Snail (1) - Ram / Butterfly Cichlid (3) - Peacock Goby (3) - Kuhli Loach (aka Coolie) (5) - Panda Cory (8) - Rainbow Shark (2) - Siamese Fighting Fish (male) (1) -
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Re: please help with my fish tank community question
« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2016, 10:39:40 PM »
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and what i was asking before about how many fish i could put in my tank now... ive just spoke to the woman who had my tank before me said she had 6 swordtails in there before she gave it me so what does that  mean

A Selection of Fish in my Fish Community Creator Tanks
Siamese Fighting Fish (male) (1) - Angelfish (2) - Ram / Butterfly Cichlid (2) - Golden Nugget Plec (1) - Rainbow Shark (1) - Rummy Nose Tetra (3) - Dwarf Gourami (4) - Cherry Barb (10) - Bristlenose Plec (3) - Japonica Shrimp (15) - Marbled Hatchetfish (3) - Otocinclus (6) - Rosy Tetra (5) - Bleeding Heart Tetra (5) - Black Neon Tetra (6) - Assassin Snail (1) - Ram / Butterfly Cichlid (3) - Peacock Goby (3) - Kuhli Loach (aka Coolie) (5) - Panda Cory (8) - Rainbow Shark (2) - Siamese Fighting Fish (male) (1) -
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Re: please help with my fish tank community question
« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2016, 05:25:29 AM »
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It should mean that you have an active bacteria Colony that supports approximately 66cm of stock. I have worked that out based on 3 male and 3 female swords, since the females are larger than the lads.

With 6 harlequins at the moment you have 30cm of stock so I think you're good to get another 30cm of stock right away before the bacteria colonies go dormant from not having as much ammonia to deal with as before. Please allow Sue or one of the other more experienced members to confirm this as I'm quite new to this myself.

Once you have your initial stock of fish, it's recommended to allow the community to settle for a month to 6 weeks before increasing stock. And even then, only add one third of current stock ie. If you're at 60cm stock, add up to 20cm.

I recently had my first top-up stock and added just over a third of my stock at the time. This was an impulse buy since I spotted a tiny bristlenose plec that I wanted and couldn't resist (you'll find this yourself)  and my ammonia and nitrite levels never rose from zero. I also have an external filter with up to 1250l/hr flow rate.

Hope this helps you  :cheers:

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Re: please help with my fish tank community question
« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2016, 07:54:38 AM »
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Shoaling is a response to danger so fish in a tank don't tend to shoal very much 'cos they're not in danger. On the odd occasion where I've bumped in to the tank thare's a sudden clumping of fish as they shoal up, only to disperse a few seconds later.

From your list of fish you'll get better shoaling and more natural behavior from larger numbers of the same species. I've seen some lovely shoals of Rummynose Tetras when there were around 15. Same with Harlequins and Panda cories.

Check the temperature requirements of your chosen fish. You'll notice Rams like a minimum of 25ºC while Panda cories like a maximum of 25ºC. Bolivian Rams might be a better choice, they're tougher and like cooler temperatures.

One fish I would strongly advise you to remove from your list is the Hillstream Loach. They live in hill streams, so the water is very fast flowing and highly oxygenated, and they need a set-up to imitate this. I think they're great, but they are totally unsuitable for a community tank. Have a read of this for lots of hillstream lovelyness.

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Re: please help with my fish tank community question
« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2016, 08:34:46 AM »
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Hi Jack. Welcome aboard.  :wave:

There's a good article on shoaling here: http://www.thinkfish.co.uk/article/why-fish-shoal-or-group-in-a-fish-tank

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Tiger Barb (1) - Cardinal Tetra (17) - Otocinclus (1) - Agassiz's Dwarf Cichlid (2) - Ornamental Snails (50) - Assassin Snail (2) -
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Re: please help with my fish tank community question
« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2016, 09:54:00 AM »
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Rummynose tetras even when they've settled in shoal quite a lot, it's one of the reasons I have them. If you like the shoaling effect the best way to achieve it is get a lot of one species rather than lots of small shoals of different types. As i said somewhere recently 20+ cardinal tetras in a tank look amazing.

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Re: please help with my fish tank community question
« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2016, 01:47:23 PM »
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Please help this morning I had 6 harlequins and now I have 5 I've check the external filter not there I've checked every where under all ornaments/plants he's not floating at the top and not sunk to the bottom just vanished? Please help

A Selection of Fish in my Fish Community Creator Tanks
Siamese Fighting Fish (male) (1) - Angelfish (2) - Ram / Butterfly Cichlid (2) - Golden Nugget Plec (1) - Rainbow Shark (1) - Rummy Nose Tetra (3) - Dwarf Gourami (4) - Cherry Barb (10) - Bristlenose Plec (3) - Japonica Shrimp (15) - Marbled Hatchetfish (3) - Otocinclus (6) - Rosy Tetra (5) - Bleeding Heart Tetra (5) - Black Neon Tetra (6) - Assassin Snail (1) - Ram / Butterfly Cichlid (3) - Peacock Goby (3) - Kuhli Loach (aka Coolie) (5) - Panda Cory (8) - Rainbow Shark (2) - Siamese Fighting Fish (male) (1) -
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Re: please help with my fish tank community question
« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2016, 01:49:34 PM »
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Please help this morning I had 6 harlequins and now I have 5 I've check the external filter not there I've checked every where under all ornaments/plants he's not floating at the top and not sunk to the bottom just vanished? Please help

Oh no! That's never something you want! Is the tank open topped ie could the fish jump out of the tank??

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Re: please help with my fish tank community question
« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2016, 01:53:36 PM »
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There little gaps where the inlet and the outlet are that's it?

A Selection of Fish in my Fish Community Creator Tanks
Siamese Fighting Fish (male) (1) - Angelfish (2) - Ram / Butterfly Cichlid (2) - Golden Nugget Plec (1) - Rainbow Shark (1) - Rummy Nose Tetra (3) - Dwarf Gourami (4) - Cherry Barb (10) - Bristlenose Plec (3) - Japonica Shrimp (15) - Marbled Hatchetfish (3) - Otocinclus (6) - Rosy Tetra (5) - Bleeding Heart Tetra (5) - Black Neon Tetra (6) - Assassin Snail (1) - Ram / Butterfly Cichlid (3) - Peacock Goby (3) - Kuhli Loach (aka Coolie) (5) - Panda Cory (8) - Rainbow Shark (2) - Siamese Fighting Fish (male) (1) -
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Re: please help with my fish tank community question
« Reply #30 on: May 26, 2016, 02:17:34 PM »
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Highly unlikely it would be so unlucky as to jump through a small hole... If one has definitely gone missing it has to be somewhere... Have you definitely looked in every nook and cranny in the tank?

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Re: please help with my fish tank community question
« Reply #31 on: May 26, 2016, 03:21:10 PM »
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Fish have been known to get through small holes, so besides checking in/under everything in the tank, check the floor as well. Though if you have a cat or dog any fish that gets out of the tank might well end up inside the other pet.
It is unfortunately quite common to lose a fish shortly after purchase. They've been through a lot in the last few weeks on their journey from the breeder to your tank - wholesalers, retailers, transport between them, being chased on a regular basis whenever someone buys a fish from that tank etc etc.

I agree about the rams. These fish do like water a tad warmer than other species. But Bolivian rams, Apistogrammas (look at cockatoo dwarf and agassizi dwarf in the fish profiles) or nannacaras (which aren't in the profiles, just substitute flag cichlid instead in the community creator).

And yes, hillstream loaches need specialist hillstream tanks - cooler, fast flowing water.

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Re: please help with my fish tank community question
« Reply #32 on: May 26, 2016, 08:38:33 PM »
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i checked the floor and i mean i check absolutely every where but he was under warranty so he was replaced and 6 cherry barbs were added.

and i also have a 22 litre tank and have been told a Siamese Fighting Fish and 6 Cardinal Tetra but the community creator keeps saying my tanks to small for the Siamese Fighter?

A Selection of Fish in my Fish Community Creator Tanks
Siamese Fighting Fish (male) (1) - Angelfish (2) - Ram / Butterfly Cichlid (2) - Golden Nugget Plec (1) - Rainbow Shark (1) - Rummy Nose Tetra (3) - Dwarf Gourami (4) - Cherry Barb (10) - Bristlenose Plec (3) - Japonica Shrimp (15) - Marbled Hatchetfish (3) - Otocinclus (6) - Rosy Tetra (5) - Bleeding Heart Tetra (5) - Black Neon Tetra (6) - Assassin Snail (1) - Ram / Butterfly Cichlid (3) - Peacock Goby (3) - Kuhli Loach (aka Coolie) (5) - Panda Cory (8) - Rainbow Shark (2) - Siamese Fighting Fish (male) (1) -
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Re: please help with my fish tank community question
« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2016, 09:17:27 PM »
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That tank is fine for a siamese fighter but it is too small for cardinal tetras. My siamese fighter (betta) is in a 26 litre tank, and was in a 24 litre before I got a new tank (the old one had a crushed corner and I was worried it might leak). And I just checked with the CC and that too says it is too small for cardinals.


Bettas (siamese fighters are usually called bettas nowadays as people of a certain mentality say 'oooh fighting fish, lets get some and fight them') are not good community fish; they are best kept alone. Anything above 5 American gallons is fine for them, that's 19 litres. These fish like slow moving water because of their big fins so make sure the filter in the tank has adjustable flow or use a sponge filter powered by an air pump. They need 'things' in the tank to swim through so lots of plants, either real or silk but not plastic as sharp edges can cut their fins.
To give you an idea (and to show off  ;D ) I've attached a photo of my betta's tank. It does have more plants now. And you can see the sponge filter at the back.


22 litres sounds as though it should be fine for half a dozen cardinal tetras because of their size. But fish need swimming room and cardinals need a tank at least 60 cm long.

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Re: please help with my fish tank community question
« Reply #34 on: May 26, 2016, 09:23:46 PM »
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so can i not have anything in with him?

A Selection of Fish in my Fish Community Creator Tanks
Siamese Fighting Fish (male) (1) - Angelfish (2) - Ram / Butterfly Cichlid (2) - Golden Nugget Plec (1) - Rainbow Shark (1) - Rummy Nose Tetra (3) - Dwarf Gourami (4) - Cherry Barb (10) - Bristlenose Plec (3) - Japonica Shrimp (15) - Marbled Hatchetfish (3) - Otocinclus (6) - Rosy Tetra (5) - Bleeding Heart Tetra (5) - Black Neon Tetra (6) - Assassin Snail (1) - Ram / Butterfly Cichlid (3) - Peacock Goby (3) - Kuhli Loach (aka Coolie) (5) - Panda Cory (8) - Rainbow Shark (2) - Siamese Fighting Fish (male) (1) -
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Re: please help with my fish tank community question
« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2016, 09:31:12 PM »
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like shrimp

A Selection of Fish in my Fish Community Creator Tanks
Siamese Fighting Fish (male) (1) - Angelfish (2) - Ram / Butterfly Cichlid (2) - Golden Nugget Plec (1) - Rainbow Shark (1) - Rummy Nose Tetra (3) - Dwarf Gourami (4) - Cherry Barb (10) - Bristlenose Plec (3) - Japonica Shrimp (15) - Marbled Hatchetfish (3) - Otocinclus (6) - Rosy Tetra (5) - Bleeding Heart Tetra (5) - Black Neon Tetra (6) - Assassin Snail (1) - Ram / Butterfly Cichlid (3) - Peacock Goby (3) - Kuhli Loach (aka Coolie) (5) - Panda Cory (8) - Rainbow Shark (2) - Siamese Fighting Fish (male) (1) -
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Re: please help with my fish tank community question
« Reply #36 on: May 26, 2016, 09:48:49 PM »
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I have panda cory in with my betta, if that's any help.

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Re: please help with my fish tank community question
« Reply #37 on: May 26, 2016, 10:02:30 PM »
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I have panda cory in with my betta, if that's any help.
But not in 22 litres.


I have a nerite snail in with mine.

The problem with shrimps and bettas is that the shrimps can end up as very expensive fish food. I managed to get a woodlouse in the tank with my last betta and he went mad trying to dismantle it. He only stopped when it played dead. I wouldn't have trusted him anywhere near a shrimp.

22 litres is too small for the vast majority of fish except the so called micro fish - but a betta would either eat those or chase them and they'd get so stressed they'd probably die.



Bettas are tricky fish to find tank mates for. Some are so aggressive they attack anything that moves - including biting the feelers off snails. Others are so laid back they get bullied by their tank mates. Fish that are not known for nipping often just can't help themselves when faced with those big fins. It is much safe to keep them alone or with snails - once the tank has grown enough algae to feed snails.

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Re: please help with my fish tank community question
« Reply #38 on: May 26, 2016, 10:09:42 PM »
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Fair point, my tank is 34L.
Doh.  ::)

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Re: please help with my fish tank community question
« Reply #39 on: May 27, 2016, 04:15:25 PM »
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Not liking this is have a dead harlequin and can't work out why I've done all my test and here's the results please help

A Selection of Fish in my Fish Community Creator Tanks
Siamese Fighting Fish (male) (1) - Angelfish (2) - Ram / Butterfly Cichlid (2) - Golden Nugget Plec (1) - Rainbow Shark (1) - Rummy Nose Tetra (3) - Dwarf Gourami (4) - Cherry Barb (10) - Bristlenose Plec (3) - Japonica Shrimp (15) - Marbled Hatchetfish (3) - Otocinclus (6) - Rosy Tetra (5) - Bleeding Heart Tetra (5) - Black Neon Tetra (6) - Assassin Snail (1) - Ram / Butterfly Cichlid (3) - Peacock Goby (3) - Kuhli Loach (aka Coolie) (5) - Panda Cory (8) - Rainbow Shark (2) - Siamese Fighting Fish (male) (1) -
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