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Moving house
« on: December 28, 2017, 09:39:58 PM »
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Hi all

Not been around much lately but am moving house in January. Have managed to re-home fish as not moving into new house straight away. But have some questions.

1. Tank will be in storage for a couple of weeks, what is best way to clean it?

2. Should I leave the sand in the tank, and if not, what should I do with it?

3. As the filter sponges will go dry, will the bacteria go dormant or will I need to do a cycle?

4. Anything else I need to consider?

Any advice much appreciated.

David

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Re: Moving house
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2017, 10:01:20 PM »
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Do you intend setting the tank up again once you are in the new house? if you do, keep the filter media wet - float them in a container of dechlorinated water open to the air. The bacteria will go dormant rather than die straight away. They will wake up again once there is a source of food, but the longer they are dormant, the longer it takes them to wake up. I would test the tank with a dose of ammonia before risking any new fish. Even if it takes them several days to wake up it will be faster than starting afresh.
I would be inclined to follow the fishless cycling method which will go much faster.

However, if you intend lots of live plants, that's a different matter. Still keep the filter media wet, but when you set up the tank, put the plants in and wait until you know they are growing well, then add fish a few at a time - monitoring both ammonia and nitrite for several days after each addition.



To clean the tank, I use those plastic kitchen scourers that look like a ball of knitted brightly coloured plastic. They scrape the surface clean without scratching. Any limescale can be scraped away very carefully with some thing hard, or if it's really bad use white vinegar. But don't do this if you leave the sand in.

I would put the sand in a bucket and rinse it with dechlorinated water. Then store it in some container with some dechlorinated water. There is a whole host of micro-organsism in the substrate so it is best to preserve as many as you can.

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Re: Moving house
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2017, 10:06:07 PM »
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Thanks Sue

Unfortunately i won't be able to set tank back up for two to three weeks and will have no way to keep filter media or sand wet.

Will that make a difference?

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Re: Moving house
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2017, 06:19:20 AM »
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If you can't keep them set you will be starting your cycle again from scratch once you have moved. Can you give them to the same place you gave your fish for safe keeping for the next few weeks?  If the filter could be run on a not her tank that would be brilliant for keeping the bacteria alive, then you could probably just set things back up as they were almost instantly.

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Re: Moving house
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2017, 09:19:31 AM »
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Keeping the filter media in one bucket and the sand in another, both in enough water to cover them, would be enough. The only thing the buckets need is to be kept warm - they can't be kept outdoors or in a garage/shed. Do you know anyone with a spare room who would mind 2 buckets for you?

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Re: Moving house
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2017, 12:47:00 PM »
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@Sue if a small frozen prawn were added to the bucket with the filter do you think this would provide some ammonia to keep the filter bacteria from going dormant or would there need to be flow in there to supply the ammonia to the bacteria in enough quantity for it to make a difference??

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Re: Moving house
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2017, 01:44:30 PM »
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By keeping it warm, do you mean room temperature? I have access to my new house, it is just the downstairs is having work done but could put buckets upstairs? Also would a lock and lock like container work for the filter media or does it need to be an open bucket.

Other thing to think about is I am moving from a soft to moderately hard water area, so guess this will change what fish I can have.

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Re: Moving house
« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2017, 01:52:27 PM »
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Room temperature will work just fine, as will a locking container, though I think a bucket would work better as it will have more oxygen available to the bacteria. I'm not sure it will matter much as they will be going dormant anyway.

RE fish: I think you currently have harlequin rasboras, glowlight tetras and black phantom tetras. They will all be fine in harder water so should work fine.

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Re: Moving house
« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2017, 02:07:16 PM »
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I wouldn't bother feeding the bacteria; they won't die from lack of food for a few months, they'll just go dormant. Once the tank is set up again, add ammonia as per the fishless cycle instructions and you should whizz through the whole thing in a few days, if that.
I would put the media in a bucket without the filter casing, that way they'll have better access to oxygen. You can have a loose lid, but not one that makes the bucket air tight.
The bacteria can't take being frozen or baked but anything between is fine. Keeping the buckets of sand and filter media upstairs is perfect.

I forgot to mention before that every surface in a tank will have bacteria on it, so if you can keep any decor wet as well, that would help. You will lose some bacteria - eg on the walls of the tank itself - which is why I suggest doing a fishless cycle once it is set up again. That way you'll replace the lost bacteria before any fish go in the tank.

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Re: Moving house
« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2017, 02:17:11 PM »
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Ok, that sounds like a plan. Maybe the harder water will open different fish up to me, as will be starting with a empty tank.

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Re: Moving house
« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2017, 02:25:20 PM »
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The first thing to do once you have time is take a trip round all your new LFS to see what they stock. Then look up the fish that catch your eye on Seriously Fish.

Have you checked with your new water company's website to see just how hard your new tap water is?

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Re: Moving house
« Reply #11 on: December 29, 2017, 02:29:18 PM »
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Yes, it says hardness Clarke is 7.14, supposedly slightly hard. Any other reading of any use?

mg CaCO3/l is average of 102

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Re: Moving house
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2017, 02:57:56 PM »
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Those are the right numbers, they are the same thing ie. 7.14 Clarke converts to 102 CaCO3/l.

You can use this alongside www.seriouslyfish.com to ascertain which fish are suitable for your water.

Not all of the fish profiles use these units however so you should use a converter such as the one below to get the right units for the profile in question.
http://users.tinyonline.co.uk/chrisshort/waterhard.htm

Think Fish also has good fish profiles with a quick reference guide to water suitability - its probably easier to start here first then cross check with seriously fish to confirm suitability.

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Re: Moving house
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2017, 03:21:55 PM »
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The two figures you give are the same thing in different units.

The units used in fish profiles are ppm (which is the same as mg/l CaCO3) and German degrees or dH.

The two numbers you need for looking at fish profiles are:
102 ppm
5.7 dH.


I don't call that hard at all. Hard for fish is 10+ dH, or 180+ ppm
Your new water is too soft for all hard water fish, and the only other fish that you need to avoid are those that need very soft water. The vast majority of soft water fish are fine in that hardness.


My water company has 6 classes of hardness - soft, moderately soft, slightly hard, moderately hard, hard, very hard. Your new water is right on the moderately soft/slightly hard boundary.
This is why we don't like words for hardness, numbers are much clearer. Despite having the word hard as part of yuor hardness, it isn't really hard at all for fishkeeping.

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Re: Moving house
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2017, 03:31:33 PM »
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Will check the water when I move in anyway, just to confirm the figures are right.

Would that level be ok for Guppies?

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Re: Moving house
« Reply #15 on: December 29, 2017, 03:37:46 PM »
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No, sorry. Guppies' hardness range is 143 to 536 ppm, and 102 ppm is too low.

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Re: Moving house
« Reply #16 on: December 29, 2017, 03:57:27 PM »
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ok, just spoke to a shop in Carlisle who said PH is 7.0 and neutral hardness so gives me a start.

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Re: Moving house
« Reply #17 on: December 29, 2017, 04:19:51 PM »
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There is no such thing as neutral hardness. There is only soft, hard and between.
Neutral applies to pH and not hardness. pH range is 6.9 and below = acidic, pH 7.0 = neutral, pH 7.1 and above = basic.
I would not take any shop's word for anything.


I googled Carlisle's water company, and it said United Utilities. Then I googled Spar shops in Carlisle, found one in Fusehill St, then typed their postcode (CA1 2HL) into United Utilities. They say the hardness for that postcode is 7.14 degrees Clarke, the same as you gave.

Your hardness converts to 102 ppm and 5.7 dH. This is fine for most soft water fish but not for hard water fish.


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Re: Moving house
« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2017, 07:29:25 PM »
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Thanks everyone, all good advice.

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Re: Moving house
« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2017, 09:47:24 PM »
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Well that's the fish revoked today. I am not moving for another week so was wondering if I should put in a drop of ammonia in to make up for no fish until I prepare the tank for storage?

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