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Tropical Fish Keeping Help and Advice => General Fishkeeping advice => Topic started by: jesnon on July 09, 2013, 11:25:28 PM
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Right so... today has been interesting! :o Things are moving pretty fast here with my partner being offered a new job but basically I am now very likely to be moving to Portsmouth within the next month... and I have no idea what to do with my fishies :'( This is around a 2 hour drive away from my place in Bristol.
Is it actually feasible to take my fish that distance? :(
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Of course it is! There is an article in the Articles section about moving house (Where else would it be?)
By the way Bristol to Portsmouth doesn't really qualify as a "a long way"! ;)
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Glad to see this! And haha it doesn't seem a long way but I still havent got my head around being as far south as bristol yet :P
I remember reading that the easiest way to move is with a new tank.... Hmmmmmmm :-D
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Congrats to your partner on the job :D
With just the Edge it won't be difficult. You'll just need a smallish lidded bucket (for the tank water) and a couple of plastic bags (fish and filter media). You can start doing research now on the water in Portsmouth. The main thing to remember is if the water is very different you'll need to acclimate the fish carefully. The easiest would probably be to take as much tankwater as possible then you don't have to worry about drip acclimating the fish while sorting things out at the other end. Then just do several small water changes to gradually change from Bristol water to Portsmouth water.
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Hi Jesnon,
I transported 2 fish tanks and all the fish from Kent to the Isle of Wight and they had an overnight stop. I double bagged them in very large bags and were held upright in plant pots. I kept all of the water and kept the filters and plants all submersed in water too. They spent the night in the plant pots with the bags open for air. Topped them up a little with some spare water then moved to our house on the Island. We didnt feed them the night before to limit the amount of waste.
Just take it easy, ensure they are well supported and have extra water and bags just in case!
Good luck :)
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Also if you go to your lfs and ask they normally keep the large polystyrene boxes that the fish are transported to the shop in. They may charge you a small amount but it will help insulate and protect your fish during transit.
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Sorry I thought I'd said thank you for all the tips!
I just wanted to ask... Since I'm going to have to use a removal company for all my furniture and it won't be possible for us to move the stand after this, is it acceptable to put the tank onto the floor so I can properly dedicate a day to moving the tank? I'm not sure what else to do!
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The Edge has a built in stand doesn't it? That little square thing that's smaller then the actual tank? It should be OK to put the tank on that on the floor so long as the floor isn't to wonky.
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Ahh brilliant! That's a load off! Yeah it has the little black stand bit and my floor is flat since it's a new build. I think I'll do that then so that my proper stand can be taken to the new house before I move the tank the next day / a couple of days later
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It occurred to me while I was wallpapering and had the modem unplugged in case I caught the cable - be very careful moving the tank off the stand. They are not supposed to be moved with water in as it will slosh around and that can damage the corner seals or even the glass itself. You would be safest taking a lot of water out then refill it once it's on the floor.
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Ooh oki will do, thanks again Sue! Is it safe to leave fish and shrimp in during this process?
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Strictly speaking, you should completely empty the tank. But as it is so small, you should get away with leaving just enough water for to keep the fish covered, and lift it very carefully with 2 of you. If you have enough buckets, you can put the water back in when it's moved.
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Thanks for this Sue! Think I will go with this approach then. I'll probably need to buy more buckets anyway for when I'm actually moving the tank. Where do you get buckets with lids!? The only thing I could think of was buying some bottles of water and emptying the contents for my tank water, though that would be about 20 bottles!!
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You used to be able to get buckets with lids 30 years ago, I had some for soaking nappies in. Disposables were awful back then ;D Now that you mention it, I haven't seen any for a long time......
Wilkinsons sell 25 litre homebrew bins (http://www.wilko.com/home-brew/wilko-fermenting-bin-and-lid-25lt/invt/0022555) if those would be any good.
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Ooh that might be useful actually thanks Sue. Would also store the whole contents of my water in one go - bonus!
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And the advantage with a brewing bin is that it must be food safe so will be safe for fish. The danger with things not intended with food use is that might not be fish safe eg some things can be impregnated with anti-bac.
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Very true Sue!
So today popped to MA and they gave me some bags for fish and insulated box for free (great stuff!) and bought the fermenting bucket on you.found Sue, so might just be ready for the move. Well for my fish at least! we still haven't started packing, eek!
My boyfriend has been talking about oxygenating tablets but I'm assuming for around 3 hours they'll be ok?
Thinking 4 fish in one bag, 4 in another, and the 3 shrimp in another with moss ball and maybe another plant, then other plants and wood in the other bags.
The plant pot idea to keep them standing upright sounds great too.
We're moving next weekend from Friday to Sunday, I guess we'll move the fish last on Sunday.
Another other advice? I'm going to make a list as suggested by Chucklett so I don't end up in panic mode! Also if I move plants and would the day before will they be fine in bags overnight or would they be better in a bucket until I move everyone else? (going from chucklett's suggestion of avoiding churning the water up too much when trying to catch everyone!
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Can the filter be unhooked from the tank and run in the bucket? If it can, when you empty the tank to move the stand you could just leave everything running in the bucket till you're ready to bag the fish. But if you can't run the filter anywhere but the tank, you'll have to put the water ad fish back in the tank till you're ready to bag up.
For 3 hours in a bag they'll be OK - but make sure the bag has one third water and two thirds air, and tie the bag up tightly. That ratio of air:water should ensure the livestock has enough oxygen for 3 hours. The other consideration is - they will be excreting ammonia in the bag, and also carbon dioxide. The CO2 will dissolve in the water and make it slowly more acidic. Ammonia is les toxic the more acidic the water is. That's the reason for keeping the bag tied tight, so the CO2 doesn't gas off as ammonia builds up.
Have I mentioned not to feed them for at least one day before the move to reduce the amount of ammonia they make?
Don't forget you'll need another bag with water for the filter or at least the media - again a 2:1 air :water ratio.
Re the brewing bin - my husband used to make homebrew and had a brew bin like that. And I knew that Wilkos sell homebrew equipment as I've bought wine making stuff from there ;D
Fingers crossed for you next weekend!
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Good luck Jesnon. Not an easy task. I take it you found somewhere nice to live in the end.
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Can the filter be unhooked from the tank and run in the bucket? If it can, when you empty the tank to move the stand you could just leave everything running in the bucket till you're ready to bag the fish. But if you can't run the filter anywhere but the tank, you'll have to put the water ad fish back in the tank till you're ready to bag up.
I *think* that's possible though I'm not 100% sure. I think I can just slot it all out and thread the cable through the unit but my boyfriend was the one who set the whole tank up. That would make life a lot easier if it were possible. Would be funny watching my fish sitting in a bucket! If this were possible do you think the bucket would be OK with a heater stuck to the side?
For 3 hours in a bag they'll be OK - but make sure the bag has one third water and two thirds air, and tie the bag up tightly. That ratio of air:water should ensure the livestock has enough oxygen for 3 hours. The other consideration is - they will be excreting ammonia in the bag, and also carbon dioxide. The CO2 will dissolve in the water and make it slowly more acidic. Ammonia is les toxic the more acidic the water is. That's the reason for keeping the bag tied tight, so the CO2 doesn't gas off as ammonia builds up.
Have I mentioned not to feed them for at least one day before the move to reduce the amount of ammonia they make?
Don't forget you'll need another bag with water for the filter or at least the media - again a 2:1 air :water ratio.
Thanks again Sue, all great advice! Will remember not to feed the fishies too. I still haven't actually looked at what the water is like either.. Really need to get on that! I tell you, I wish I'd finished work about a week ago so I had time to sort everything out, it's been a little bit stressful considering how little we've actually done! Glad for your knowledge as always Sue - even of homebrewing!!
And thank you Ciders! I'm really not looking forward to this whole moving part, particularly the tank as I'm so clumsy and tend to lose my temper with inanimate objects quite easily so I can imagine the frustration already!!
Yeah we found a lovely flat in the centre of Southampton (we decided on Southampton in the end since we really liked it there). Unfortunately the flat is if anything slightly smaller though, so my dreams of a new tank may already be over!! Still... I went into MA earlier and drawled at the clown fish for a while... wish I could get a marine tank (http://www.thinkfish.co.uk/marines/cost)! They also had some gorgeous corys in that reminded me of Resa, I can see why she loves them so much!
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If this were possible do you think the bucket would be OK with a heater stuck to the side?
If you could arrange the heater so the end with the element doesn't come into contact with the plastic, that would be fine. The hot end might damage the plastic if it touched. You can use plastic storage boxes as emergency tanks (eg when the proper tank leaks) as they are cheap enough to rush out and buy just to have somewhere to put the fish, so keeping them in a plastic bin for a couple of days should present no problem. Just make sure the bin is thoroughly rinsed before use.
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I think that would be possible. Had a bit of a change of plan now and think we will be moving the tank with the first batch of stuff on Friday - so I guess we'll move it straight onto the floor in the new flat first and move it on top of the stand the next day. However if we could just add the heater and filter in the bucket and add the fish in before moving them into the tank the next day that would be a lot easier!
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Was also thinking of the possibility of changing my gravel to sand whilst this is all going on.... not sure if this is a terrible idea though!?
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Good luck Jesnon - Im sure it will all be fine, just try to stay calm ;)
With the plants, I just uprooted them the day before and left them floating in the tank. I didn't acutally take anything out until I was ready to strip the tank down next day (Sorry, I don't think I was clear in what I meant when I said about it to you). Though of course, its entirely up to you how you do it - Im sure you've got your plan well rehearsed in your mind.
With regards to your gravel, Im sure Sue will give you sound advice, as always! Im actually quite interested to hear what she says on that one. Im 50/50. Yes it sounds logical to change over to sand whilst you've got a great opportunity to do it, but on the other hand, I would think that's the last thing you want to do (losing all that biofilm on the gravel) during a move. Oh, by the way, I found that it was an ideal time to give all my gravel a good clean - I put the gravel in a bucket of dechlorinated water brought up to temp (as though for a water change) in order to save as many microthingamies as possible and gave it a good swirl-round. Wow, the amount of gunk that came out was amazing!
Hope you like your new home and settle quickly :)
EDIT: afterthought as usual - I used a small dustpan & SOFT brush (Tesco £1, bought specifically for the job - not one I brush the path with!) to get the gravel out. I'm not sure how big your tank is, so it may or may not be a worthy/practical tip.
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Ahh that makes perfect sense with the plants! I only have one planted plant anyway so that should be easy enough!
That's what I was wondering about the gravel - I didn't want to be killing off any more bacteria. It probably is better to keep it anyway, I've just regretted my gravel choice since I got it! Looking at my tank atm though it's not so bad, so if it is unwise I'll keep it! So did you move your gravel in water? I guess it would kill the bacteria if not but I hadn't thought that part through yet. I know what you mean about the gravrl clean, even during a normal water change I'm horrified by the muck!
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If you just had the endlers, I'd say take the risk of changing the gravel when you move. But you also have shrimps, so I'm going to say wait to change the gravel as a mini cycle could harm the shrimps.
If you are going to move the tank first this is the way I'd do it.
Bag the fish, shrimps, plants and filter/filter media as late as you can leave it. Put some water into another bag and leave it open for now. Put as much remaining tank water in the bin as you can without sucking up any muck from the gravel. Follow Chucklett's idea for washing the gravel, then put it into the last bag and tie it. Throw away the mucky water left in the tank and in the water change bucket. Move. When you get to the other end, put the gravel, fish, shrimps, plants and filter into the bin together with the heater. (If the water has cooled too much during the journey put the heater in first and wait till it's warmer before moving the fish). If you think it is possible, I think I would roll down the bag with the gravel so you expose as much as possible without it all spilling out and leave it like that in the bin as it'll make it much easier getting it out of the bin before the fish. Or even put the gravel in a plastic tub in the bottom of the bin. You need to allow the bacteria on the gravel assess to oxygen and ammonia/nitrite so you can't leave the gravel in a tied up bag for a couple of days. Once you've got the furniture sorted, put the tank where it's going, then put the gravel in the bottom. Part fill the tank from the water in the bin, move the fish, shrimps and plants into the tank, empty the bin and top up with new water. And the filter and heater.
Don't forget to unplug the heater half an hour before taking it out of the water.
You will lose some bacteria. The inside of the tank itself will have some, and if that dries, they will die. Similarly the filter casing if the whole thing won't fit in a bag and you have to take the media out. The tank has been cycled quite a few months now, so the biofilm, with the bacteria in it, should be well embedded into the filter media so they should come though with little damage.
Feed the fish very lightly for a few days after the move and keep an eye on your water.
I would also be inclined to do several very small frequent water changes (even if you don't need to because of a mini cycle) just to get your fish acclimated to Southampton water.
Once you know the bacteria have settled down completely and the fish are back up their normal feed, that's when I'd change the gravel. It is going to mean more messing about with the tank, but I'd rather do that than risk the shrimps.
When you do get around to changing to sand, the best advice I can give you is wash the sand very thoroughly. It usually had a huge amount of dust in it. At least with an Edge, you won't have too much to clean ;D
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Phew that is amazing advice Sue! Will definitely be doing all of this! I didnt even think about the gravel needing oxygen or anything like that. Fingers crossed my little bacteria survive in the most part!
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Good luck with your move, Jesnon....I will be keeping my fingers crossed for you ;)
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Thanks Resa! Now it's nearly moving day I'm getting increasingly worried about this!
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Hi Jesnon,
I have been a daft bat, and posted about your moving on the wrong thread....(I'll be back on Steve's list ::) )
Anyway, I've put it over on the 'I'm back' thread. Honestly, if I had a brain I'd be dangerous :D
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Ha you'll definitely be in trouble Resa!
Sue I have a dilemma for you....!!
So I've now established that the filter won't be able to be run in the bucket unfortunately. Instead what we were hoping to do is tomorrow move both the tank and stand in the same van load, and set the tank up again straight the way the other end. However the estate agent has put a bit of a spanner in the works so we need to go and sign our contract and collect keys at 4:30pm tomorrow.
So that would mean us loading up the van etc tomorrow (the fish would have to be done relatively early on as well so we can put the stand in the van before a lot of other stuff as it's quite large). We'd leave around 2ish, then be signing contracts etc which I have no idea how long it takes... then getting to our flat and unloading. Depending on how long everything takes that could be a very long time for my poor fish - maybe even 6 hours?
However, I can't move the tank on Saturday or Sunday because there won't be room in the van for me and I'll be in Southampton unpacking Saturday and Sunday....
My partner was saying we could put the fish in the big tub we have with all the water etc, and that way I can open up the tub to let more air in, but I'm not sure if that is feasible? I think the tub will fit in the polysterine box we got given as it's quite huge for my few fish etc, so that may help keep the water warmer. And I can keep them on my lap / in the front to try and stop them sloshing around too much in the process. I'm sure there's probably a reason this isn't recommended though!
The other option would be for me to empty most of the tank and then move it onto the floor in my current flat so that we can take the stand etc. Then I would have to make a day to come back and move the fish but this could mean leaving them alone for a little while since I'll be living in Southampton and them in Bristol...
I just don't know what to do now... I think my brain has started to shut down due to the stress of the move and I just can't work out a straight forward / sensible solution! Sorry to pile the pressure on you Sue for an answer!! You've essentially become my move planner - so grateful for this!!
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Hi Jesnon. This may, or may not, be of any use to you, but I am sort of mid way between you and Southampton. Do you come anywhere near Shrewton on your way, as I will be home on Friday and Sunday if you wanted to drop the fish off here, to save them doing a long journey in one go. Perhaps you could send me a pm if you think it would help and we can arrange something. Cinders.
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Hi Cinders - what a lovely and generous offer! I'll see if Sue comes back with any nuggets of wisdom and get back to you ASAP about that!
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You can move the tank and stand both tomorrow?
It shouldn't take long to sign the contrats. My younger son has done that recently - and the letting agent will want to go home on Friday evening.
You could bag the fish/shrimps tomorrow, put the media in a bag of water and the cleaned gravel in another bag of water. And put as much of the rest of the water as you can get out clean into the brew bin (do that before tackling the gravel.) All bags one third water and two thirds air. If your dechlorinator dectoxifies ammonia, add some of that to the fish and shrimp bags as well. Fish and shrimps both travel overnight in the post so as long as you can set the tank back up sometime tomorrow evenng, they should be OK. The bacteria on the media and gravel should be OK as well - remember it is now know that they can go a lot longer without food than we used to thnk. And they'll have oxygen from the air in the bag.
It is going to be extra hard work for you tomorrow evening as you must get the tank set back up on its stand before you go to bed.
The other option would be to take up Cinders' offer. Bag up the fish, shrimps, media etc, then set it back up at her house. Then go and collect it at a time to suit you both.
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I think I was panicking unnecessarily then by what you're saying Sue! So as long as I try and get the tank set back up again ASAP tomorrow it should all be fine? That would make life a lot easier!!
I think I'm just going to go for it tomorrow then so it's all sorted out in one day - but thanks so much for the offer Cinders! :-) I think I'm calm again now :-)
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I would probably panic in your situation. I haven't moved with a tank (yet). But I have moved my 125 litre from one side of the lounge to the other and the process is the same, just quicker. I used a 60 litre dustbin and put all my fish and decor-with-plants into that. Luckily for me, my filter fit in and could be run in the bin so I could take my time getting the stand perfectly level.
Something I have forgotten to mention - don't clean the filter media. Just bag it, goo and all. At the other end, you'll probably find the bottom of the bag full of muck. Lift the media out of the bag, put it back in the filter and then pour the water, muck and all, into the filter. Once it's attached to the tank of course. That muck probably contains bits of detatched biofilm complete with bacteria and you want to save as much as you can.
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OK Jesnon, if you change your mind its ok. I shall be here anyway, but not Saturday until evening. Good Luck, hope all goes well.
Cinders.
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Thanks Sue! And again Cinders for your offer! I'm not onroute to Southampton but during the moving chaos (long story) the stand is still back in Bristol. so unfortunately it's going to be a case of setting it up in southampton on the floor before moving it again tomorrow to put on the stand. Ugh!
Emptying the tank, moving the fish etc.... Traumatised! My poor fish and shrimp. Also I forgot how damn quick they are! It took me so long just to catch and bag them all!
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So I think things went better than I thought! Tank and inhabitants are temporarily on my kitchen counter and all seem happy, they were begging for food pretty much straight after going in the tank! Shrimps don't even seem too bothered, they were happily re-exploring and scuttering around. Fingers crossed! I'm probably going to wait until I've decided on definite places for all the furniture before moving the tank onto it's stand.
Thanks for all your help and good luck wishes everyone! Now after no sleep it's back to lugging furniture!
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It may be 22 years since we last moved, but in the first 15 years after we married, we moved 5 times. Most of the moves were job related and my husband's employer paid for a removal company but even then it was stressful. On 2 occassions I spent the first night in the new home sleeping on the sofa bed after huge rows with my husband just from sheer exhaustion.
I do feel for you. You will get sorted in the end.
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Definitely know where you're coming from! I hate moving! Hopefully with the week off i have between work and now everything will be unpacled and sorted and ill at least have some idea where I am! I'm really hoping the next time we move will be into a house we've bought meaning we won't have to do it again for a long time! I think.I'm being very optimistic though ha. Stress levels have definitely been high!
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Well done, Jesnon! ;D You've made it! I hope you and yours will be very happy in your new home :D :D :D
Moving is SO stressful, isn't it? I'm just glad I didn't have my tank when we moved to France! It was bad enough doing it with dog, cats and canary....plus all the contents of our house.....don't want to be repeating that ???
Have a lovely weekend...and don't forget to relax a bit ;)
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I can only imagine how stressful moving to a different country would be!
Fish and shrimps are all doing great, they seem to have decided they really like one end of the tank in its temporary place and are constantly swarming there begging for food. it's peas for them tonight!
I'm currently surrounded by boxes and have no idea where to start. To make matters worse there's an issue with the electrics in the kitchen and every time I try to boil a kettle or cook food the fuse flips. Not good at all as it means the tank.turns off every time. Luckily it's always been easy to notice and I switch the fuse back and give up using electricity... Just worrying for my fishies and soul destroying for lack of tea!
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As the flat is rented, I would be on to the letting agent asap just in case. My son rented a house off a friend and a previous tennant (when it had been a council house) had done some rather illegal rewiring. There were sockets connected to the light ring and all sorts. He had to turn the whole fuse box off to do anything, even something as simple as removing the ugly light fitting, as he had no idea what was wired into where. If you using something in the kitchen trips the fuse, maybe someone has done a bit of diy electrical work and not done it properly.
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Hi Jesnon,
What??? No TEA!! You can't have that...it's a basic human right ;D
I agree with Sue that it is something you should report to the letting agent, it's what they get paid for.
Have you checked it's not your kettle though? Have you tried plugging it in, in another room, that is on a different circuit? If it still blows...it's probably the kettle. Or it could be the problem we had, which was that everything was on the one circuit, so whenever we put the kettle on and something else came on like the microwave, the circuit would blow. Everything was all on one circuit instead of being spread around.
If you are unsure what circuit feeds what, you can remove the circuit breakers or fuses one by one, and see what stops working and what supplies what sockets etc.
None of that probably made any sense :-\ I know what I mean and I don't understand what I've written :-\ :-\
Well, good luck, Jesnon, have a lovely 1st Monday :)
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Thanks guys - first thing this morning I got onto the letting agent but from our dealings with them so far unfortunately they seem quite useless. when i reported it the only response I got waa 'ok. Is that it?'. And that someone from maintenance would call today. They didnt seem at all apologetic or bothered!
It's odd since it's a brand new building I thought something like this wouldnt be an issue at all. Originally we thought it was the kettle but it works fine plugged into the lounge! It's just everything in the kitchen - my tank (three plugs) runs ok and the fridge from what I can tell but as soon as I try to use anything else including the electric oven fitted in the kitchen the whole thing trips :/ it sounds like the situation you had Resa. Hopefully my letting agent are better than they seem and actually do something about it! I'll keep hassling until i hear an actual response e.g so and so is coming at this time though!
It's so hot in the bedroom - apparently 27 degrees it's too much to unpack a lot at a time especially after the weekend we had. Hoping after my cup of tea made in the lounge that I can power on!
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Anyway back to fishy related things!
So in the next couple of days I'll have sorted all the furniture to where I want it and need to move the tank. A few questions:
On the moving article it suggests removing most if the water and carefully moving the tank with fish still in for small tanks. Is that.actually ok to do or should I do what I did before but in smaller form?
I have several options for fish tank placement which all have downsides...
One putting the tank in front of our large windows to the balcony, which would mean a lot of sunshine and thus algae
Another is putting the tank in front of a radiator, unfortunately I can't turn that radiator individually off and so would either have to not heat the lounge or risk the fish getting too hot :/
The third option is probably the most sensible but the most disappointing visually - having the stand to the side of the radiator and the tank the furthest from it. This may still lead to heat problems but less so. Unfortunately the only downside to this is that my dining table would be on front of the stand so I wouldn't be able to fully see the tank :/ silly flat, it obviously wasn't designed with fish in mind!
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Since your tank is very small, you should be able to get away with leaving a tiny amount of water in the tank (just enough to keep the fish covered) bu be very careful carrying it. Do you have a board of some sort that you could put the tank onto, and handle the board rather than the glass itself? The danger comes with the water sloshing around inside the tank. Tanks are designed to cope with the pressure of the water on the glass and seams when stationary; it's when the tank twists or the water sloshes and puts pressure on the glass and seams in a way is not designed to cope with that does the damage. The safest way would be to empty it completely.
In front of the windows would also heat the tank up during weather like we've had this year, and in front of a radiator is not the best position either.The fish tank in our lounge (first the 60 litre, then the 125 litre) has been in 4 different places since I got fish, and none of the positions has been perfect including where it is now. You can only see it when sitting in my mother's recliner chair! Which is why I'm often found sitting on the floor in front of the tank.
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Hmm I might just empty the whole thing then if that's the safest approach - catching the fish will be a nightmare again!
It's hard work finding the perfect spot! Actually I was eyeing up the coffee table which is now in the corner as a perfect fishy spot, I don't think my partner would be too impressed though since we bought the stand especially for the tank! Still... The stand would look nice with some plants on :P
Unfortunately my partner thinks the last more sensible option isn't practical so I guess the tank will have to be next to the radiator unless I can come up with some creative furniture placements :/
Sitting on the floor in front of my tank was my place of choice too. now I just stand next to the tank in the kitchen :-)
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Mine was originally in front of the window in my study Jesnon but got waaay too hot - up to 29 degrees some afternoons (don't worry, that was pre-fish). I've now moved it to in front of the fireplace which is blocked off with hardboard as it's never used.
I hope you get sorted OK.
Cheers,
Ken
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Ouch! Yes I hadn't even thought about the window heat issue, but I was sat in the lounge area yesterday baking in the midday sun and thought how silly I'd been not to! I'm toying with the possibility of swapping the tv stand for the tank stand which might work well. It's so hard to tell without moving everything around - I already rearranged my bedroom this morning and our spare room still has everything plonked in the middle at the minute!
The fish are happy enough in the kitchen for now so there's no big rush to move them, it's not like we can even use the kitchen and they're in the way either as the electric issue still hasn't been sorted! ::)
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If it's any consolation, my daughter and her boyfriend moved from a 2 bed house to a 2 bed flat nearly 2 months ago and still have loads of boxes unpacked. So you are not alone Jesnon. ;)