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« Reply #50 on: April 25, 2018, 12:40:47 PM »
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My NDRs were most definitely silver in the shop. It was possible to tell the gender of most of them, because the males had red on the fins and females yellow. Having said that, when I got home, there was one I wasn't sure about for a while. They coloured up pretty quickly and after several months in my tank they have a fabulous blue iridescence but are still not fully grown (about 3-4cm as opposed to 6cm). I'm wondering if the colour will get more spectacular as they get bigger.

But if you're not feeling it when in the shop, you've probably done the right thing. You never know, you might be able to go back in a few months when everything is sorted and get the same fish. I understand that they're not a great seller because you have to know that they will change colour dramatically and be patient.

I think one of the dry fertilisers is potassium nitrate powder.

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« Reply #51 on: April 25, 2018, 01:19:59 PM »
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It's a funny old sensation, eh...  :)   But I also think it can be deceptive and misleading too, sometimes putting you off something that would actually be ideal and other times turning you on to something that's just not right for you (in my case, the Red Phantom Tetras are an example of that)...

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« Reply #52 on: April 25, 2018, 06:26:18 PM »
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I'm a bit of a super planner. I go into the fish shop with a short list of options.   :yikes:

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Re: The Cookie Crew
« Reply #53 on: April 25, 2018, 11:27:55 PM »
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Nice looking Platy.   :afro

Adams advice fits nicely with my most recent thinking on your situation, the only thing I would add would be to dose your ferts daily if at all possible as this will further alleviate any feast or famine issues.  I also probably wouldn't be continuing to use the phosguard personally. I would always advise slightly overdosing a complete fertiliser and doing a big water change to reset levels in the tank weekly.  That was any excess phos or even a micro element such as iron can be prevented from getting too high. 

Now this might sound obvious but... It sounds like you have had good growth in the past so... just go back to what you were doing before

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« Reply #54 on: April 25, 2018, 11:50:04 PM »
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Thanks Matt...  :) 

He's growing on me more and more the lad...  Earlier this evening, he was just chillin' under the roots of some A.Frogbit - something the Tetras never do...  But then you also see him doing what looks to me like he's playing, but obviously by himself...  a sorta game of almost hide & seek, lol...  Yeah, definitely got some character, and gentle as you like too...!!!  He bothers nobody and nobody bothers him...  Talking of the hide & seek, there was a short period where he was doing exactly that, but with some of the Pristella Tetras...  Great addition to the tank and super pleased right now...

With the plants, the trouble is that there is a classic shifting sands type deal, where I am adding more plants every now and again as an ongoing thing, plus most are root feeders but I have been recently adding more water column feeders...  Then of course some plants are growing quite fast etc...  so that notion of sticking to what always used to work might actually be where I've gone off the rails a little, where perhaps I should have changed (or increased, more appropriately) the fertiliser routine to match up to the expanding & literally growing plant collection...? 

I like your thoughts on more regular dosing of subsequently smaller amounts, to iron out the feast & famine even further...  That would essentially equate to 3ml per day for roughly the same weekly total amount...  I might well in fact implement that tout suite...!!!  Then there is the question of what to do next once I have managed to kick start healthy plant growth again...?  I would guess that the best plan would be to slowly reduce the ferts to a less intense level, although keeping them higher than I had been doing that allowed the plants to stutter & stall...?

Point also noted Matt about keeping on top of regular water changes while dosing at this higher than recommended level...  :)

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« Reply #55 on: April 26, 2018, 12:00:21 AM »
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I agree with your thoughts @TopCookie

Also nice to know the platy seems to be 'playing' with his tank mates.. I find that comforting and amusing in equal measure!!

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« Reply #56 on: April 26, 2018, 09:33:57 AM »
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Great to hear that your platy has settled in so well.  :)

I also dose ferts daily, which was recommended by the owner of Aquarium Gardens.
I also agree that sticking with what used to work would be a good idea. Sometimes it's easy to get distracted by an apparent problem and getting into a right tizzy. It's worth going back and seeing how your normal routine works out now.

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« Reply #57 on: April 26, 2018, 10:32:22 AM »
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I hear that...!!!  The trap of getting caught up and "distracted by an apparent problem and getting into a right tizzy..." 

Funnily enough, one thing that I have been learning in my short fishkeeping career so far is that quite a lot of apparent problems seem to sort themselves out if left alone to their own devices...  I had a spell of excess micro-critters at one point and that really did throw me into a major tizzy...  There were a bunch of what I think may have been detritus worms, plus the tiny little white swimmy/darty critters etc...  That really got to me, but then in a blink of an eye, I stopped seeing them...!!!  I do still have a slight issue with limpets, but the worms and darty little tinkers have all vanished now...!!!  There have been other things along the way too, which have had a similar tizzy inducing affect, but seemed to iron themselves out when given time...

I guess the lesson both there and with what you guys, @Matt & @Littlefish, are saying is not to make kneejerk reactions to such problems...  :) 

I will stick with Adam's advice, fine tuned to daily dosing rather than twice weekly, after what you guys have suggested...  Will do some water changes along the way of course, but will essentially look to be going "back to normal" other than a revised fertiliser routine to allow for the greater number and diversity of plants...  :)

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« Reply #58 on: April 26, 2018, 02:51:47 PM »
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... Adams advice fits nicely with my most recent thinking on your situation, the only thing I would add would be to dose your ferts daily if at all possible as this will further alleviate any feast or famine issues. 

Daily ferts started today @ 3ml TNC Complete   :D

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« Reply #59 on: April 26, 2018, 06:05:24 PM »
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I agree - the platy is lovely 8) (so much so that I even checked the water parameters to see whether even a remote possibility for me - unfortunately definitely not), and it's good to hear about what he's been up to - keep us posted on how he's doing.

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« Reply #60 on: April 26, 2018, 06:24:37 PM »
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I am still sorely tempted by another one, but an entirely different colour this time just for the variety of it, as he is a little charmer for sure...   :)

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« Reply #61 on: April 26, 2018, 09:35:13 PM »
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If you've got the stocking space, why not!  I don't believe males are aggressive to each other?

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« Reply #62 on: April 27, 2018, 01:06:55 AM »
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Do you know what has been most surprising thing about getting this Platy, is that it is the more experienced and advanced fish keepers who are the ones that openly say how nice the new Platy is and are complimentary about him...  I kinda assumed that it would be the more novice/new fish keepers who would comment so positively...  That has been really refreshing and lovely actually...  :)

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« Reply #63 on: April 27, 2018, 01:13:11 PM »
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Day 4 of Operation Kickstart report... 

Today is the fourth day since implementing Adam's advice for dealing with what appears to be a combined/linked, problem set... 

I've gotta say, the monster dose of TNC Complete and subsequent booster shots, for want of a better expression, looks to be making a difference already to the Hygrophila Costata plants, which just look that little bit greener and happier...  The Ludwigia repens Rubin looks slower to react and I may have actually lost one (hard to tell at the mo), but conversely, they also look just a little bit happier on new growth... 

I would go so far as to say that a little optimism is returning, after the initial sense of dread and woe....!!!

The Black Helmet Nerite is a distinct part of the green algae plan and as for the filamentous algae, I have pulled off some of the larger tufts with some leaves and cut out any leaves that looked a bit too accommodating of that stuff...!!!

The surface skimmer filter is being run almost all of the time at the moment too, partly for additional flow in the tank and partly because I do still want to try and keep on top of the excessive phosphates for now - at least until the "loadsa ferts" plan gets a bit further down the line... 

Definitely a happier looking tank and happier feeling Cookie today...   :D

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« Reply #64 on: April 28, 2018, 01:22:42 AM »
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I agree - the platy is lovely 8) (so much so that I even checked the water parameters to see whether even a remote possibility for me - unfortunately definitely not), and it's good to hear about what he's been up to - keep us posted on how he's doing.

I gotta say, this posting really made my day btw fcmf...  :)   Often times, it's far more esoteric species that impress the more advanced/experienced fishkeepers, so it has been a pleasant surprise that you guys have pretty much all said nice things about the new member of the Crew...  :)

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« Reply #65 on: April 28, 2018, 12:30:51 PM »
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There are a lot of under-rated fish around, and I think that the platy is one of them. They have lovely colouring and a quite placid fish.

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« Reply #66 on: April 28, 2018, 01:18:39 PM »
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Well, temptation truly got the better of me...!!!  After be so instantly charmed by my lone Platy, I just had to get another one...  So far, so good...  But, on the grounds that I am partially colour blind, I took Mrs Cookie with me to Wharf, to help choose...  Needless to say, she took such a shine to some sorta light blue Platys, that she decided (before I could blink...!!!) that we were having two...!!! 

Just acclimating at the mo...  Pics to follow later today at some point...  But again, they are lovely looking fish, the pair of them (and both also males)...   :)

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« Reply #67 on: April 28, 2018, 01:34:26 PM »
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I have to confess to keeping slightly unusual fish. In 20 years, I've already kept most of the 'common' fish suitable for my water - and lot that weren't  :-[ - so I have moved on to something a bit different. But nothing exotic or I'd probably kill them all  ;D
But I can still admire a good looking fish from one of the 'bread and butter' species, platies included.

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« Reply #68 on: April 28, 2018, 02:32:07 PM »
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Looking forward to seeing the pics.  :)

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« Reply #69 on: April 28, 2018, 04:35:59 PM »
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Well, here they are...   :D 

Fun and games when first introduced though - they immediately started chasing all the other fish, particularly the Pristella Tetras, who for me are the royalty in the tank...  Then we had to go out for a spell and by the time we came back, things have settled down and significantly less chasing going on now...  Will be watching them closely though, because if they do fin nip at my Pristellas, they will be going straight back to whence they came, double pronto...!!!  Oddly, that first one never did that at all... :o

Good looking little bighters though and I certainly hope they do settle into community life well... 

At the mo, they are all over the place, so pics are a tad motion blurred, but here we go...



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« Reply #70 on: April 28, 2018, 04:38:00 PM »
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They are pretty  :)

When you said blue, i imagined the type with pale blue bodies and a red tail like I once had (in soft water  :-[ )

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« Reply #71 on: April 28, 2018, 04:42:05 PM »
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They do look darker already now...  like their colour has become richer...  and, they do seem to change shade of colour a lot depending on the viewing angle etc... 

I fed them immediately, once the chasing started...  that definitely seemed to calm things a little, as if the poor things were just plain starving and hadn't worked out yet what is food and what is other fish etc...  Really hope they stop that malarkey quickly though...!!!

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« Reply #72 on: April 28, 2018, 04:48:16 PM »
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They look like neon blue tuxedos (says she after a quick google  ;D )

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« Reply #73 on: April 28, 2018, 04:52:37 PM »
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Is that good, or bad...?  I'm entirely unfamiliar with the various types of Platys...  I did see the name, but looked at every variety and was a bit overwhelmed by the amount of choices etc... 

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« Reply #74 on: April 28, 2018, 04:57:48 PM »
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Lovely! I do hope they calm down a bit. If they don't, I'll send my female x-ray tetra or the territorial harlequin on a "holiday" to you and either one of them will put them in their place!

I fed them immediately, once the chasing started... 
Just be careful they don't learn that chasing results in food being produced.  ;)

I particularly like fish with whom it's possible to have meaningful eye contact - that's why I'm not certain about cardinals and cherry barbs which have markings that "interrupt" that eye contact, whereas a platy is definitely one that enables it. There's also something about a platy's caudal fin that's different to any fish I have and that I particularly like.

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« Reply #75 on: April 28, 2018, 04:58:41 PM »
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There are not really any good or bad varieties with the caveat that they more extreme patterns/colours will be more inbred, and probably weaker fish because of that.

The fish that catch your eye are the good fish  ;D

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« Reply #76 on: April 28, 2018, 05:36:49 PM »
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All still looking calm now and the original Platy spending some time with the two new ones in a sort of mini shoal type deal...  I bet that won't last long, but it's nice to see at the mo...  :)

I know I've said this before, since getting the first Platy four days ago, but I'm so impressed by how lovely looking these humble fish are...  I was potentially in danger of slowly becoming a species snob, but it is these more "common" varieties that end up as my faves, especially the Pristella Tetras, but now Platys too...  :) 

NB:  should the plural of Platy be Platys or Platies...?

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« Reply #77 on: April 28, 2018, 06:36:09 PM »
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Seriously Fish spells it platies in the Notes section of Xiphophorus variatus.

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« Reply #78 on: April 28, 2018, 07:17:54 PM »
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I have long wanted to have a platy tank.  I found the behaviour of endlers offputting though. Sounds like these behave differently though.  I must admit you have sparked my interest again... those are some very good looking fish!

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« Reply #79 on: April 28, 2018, 07:46:17 PM »
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Congratulations on your new arrivals. Great colours.  :cheers:

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« Reply #80 on: April 28, 2018, 11:34:38 PM »
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Thanks guys...  :)

By late this evening, the behaviour has changed again; now the three Platies (noted) are hanging out but there is obviously a pecking order dispute going on, in that they are kinda chasing each other now - but each one of the three of them seems to have a turn at being the chaser, lol...  I don't doubt that this will become established at some point and probably quite soon too, but for now I am just glad that they're not chasing my beloved Tetras any more...!!!

Certainly a species that is very interesting and abundantly colourful in both appearance and character  :)

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« Reply #81 on: April 29, 2018, 09:32:07 AM »
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I used to have endlers (again hard water fish in soft water  :-[ ) and they always behaved like that. They would all chase one, then they'd change direction and all chase another. It was like a game of tag in reverse. They never made contact with each other, just this constant swimming round. Female endlers were different - they just swam quietly round scouring the substrate for specks of food.

Keep an eye on them though, you never know what's going on in a fish's mind   :)

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« Reply #82 on: April 29, 2018, 12:33:52 PM »
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All calm and quiet on the Western Front so far today...  The three Platies swimming around together, mostly higher up in the water column, but no chasing or bickering seen this morning...  :)

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« Reply #83 on: April 29, 2018, 12:59:49 PM »
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Managed to get a shot of all three in the same frame...  A bit much motion blur, but not too bad...


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« Reply #84 on: April 29, 2018, 01:23:03 PM »
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Well done for pre-empting what I (and others, no doubt) were thinking ie "let's see a photo of all 3". Thanks - they look so lovely.  :cheers:

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« Reply #85 on: April 29, 2018, 01:28:26 PM »
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This has got me thinking now ! I could put some Variatus Platies in my pond instead of the Odessa Barbs. These three look lovely.

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« Reply #86 on: April 29, 2018, 01:58:19 PM »
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I did my Platy buying fairly quickly - well, very quickly really - but I would wager that with a little more time & patience, there will easily be even nicer looking ones around...  :)

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« Reply #87 on: April 29, 2018, 06:22:57 PM »
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Great to see all 3 of them together. Glad that they are settling quickly.  ;D   :cheers:

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« Reply #88 on: April 29, 2018, 08:54:20 PM »
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They do look lovely fish. I briefly considered livebearers for my tank until I read the water parameters. My water is way too soft.  :(

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« Reply #89 on: April 29, 2018, 10:26:47 PM »
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I briefly considered livebearers for my tank until I read the water parameters. My water is way too soft.  :(
When I converted from goldfish- to tropical-keeping and had a look round the LFS, it was all the livebearers which attracted me. Thanks to using this website to do my research, I realised it was not going to be possible. I couldn't recall the exact requirements, though, so double-checked the other day when I saw how lovely TC's first platy was, but realised it's definitely way off the radar for me too.  :(

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« Reply #90 on: April 29, 2018, 10:50:51 PM »
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At the moment, I am sorry to say that my initial enthusiasm has waned a little right now...  :(   The two new additions have spent the majority of their time squabbling and of course the original one joins in too...  I fear that some damage may occur soon, particularly to the smallest of the three, who seems to want to swim with the two slightly larger ones, while they are both hell bent on bullying him...  There are moments when things look peaceful, but after spending much more time watching them today, I'm starting to think that the two new ones might well have to be returned - possibly all three, if the original one then turns his attentions to the Tetras etc... 

I have, as you guys know, no real experience to fall back on and would be delighted if somebody were to pop up and tell me:  "don't worry about that Pierre, it's normal for Platies to squabble for a day or two...", but somehow, I can't believe that is likely to happen now...  Frustrating on a mammoth scale though, as all the info suggests that Platies are great community fish - but they are worse than the Red Phantom Tetras in fact...   :(

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« Reply #91 on: April 30, 2018, 08:52:22 AM »
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Sorry to hear that the squabbling is a problem.

Before I say anything else I just want to point out that I have not kept a group of male platies, but I have kept the v. platies, but in a mixed group, with only 1 male, as my first fish. The original fish have all passed, but I still have 2 females which are the offspring of the original fish. I will say that the behaviour of the male towards the female he decide to breed with was a tad disturbing as it seemed quite violent and unrelenting. This may just be the "language" that they use.

Squabbling - I would expect a group of males to squabble to establish some sort of pecking order. Keep an eye on them to check for any damage to the fish, or to see if there is any increase in the squabbling. The only thing I can relate it to is the group of panda garras in my river tank. They bicker like siblings, sometimes they will happily share a rock, and feed together, other times they fight, barge into each other, and case each other around the tank. The rest of the fish species don't tend to take much notice.

The other thing is that as well as individual fish having their own personalities, different platy varieties may also have slightly different personalities. Is the smaller one also the one that is a different colour?

Obviously returning the fish is the final solution to the problem, and I can't say if the squabbling is temporary or not, but do they ever seem to get along any more? Are they all ok together at feeding time? Are the other fish species ok with the platy behaviour? Lot's to discuss before any final decisions are made.



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« Reply #92 on: April 30, 2018, 09:52:53 AM »
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I've had a bit of a rummage around on t'internet to see if there is any more information that would help.

Several people have mentioned keeping all male groups of platies and seeing aggressive behaviour. Some say it calms down once a pecking order is established, some have returned fish, or added females.
Others say that the males will attempt to mate with any other platy. I have seen this previously when I had a mixed group, and they are not stylish with their advances, opting for more of a "surprise attack" rather than a long term seduction technique.

As for your smaller fish - has it lost colour? Does it hide away? Has it gone off its food? Is it showing signs of stress? If it does not look stressed then I'd suggest that the group behaviour is just establishing order. You've mentioned that your little one keeps trying to join the gang, which is not the sort of behaviour I'd expect from a stressed fish, so perhaps there is hope for your group.

Don't panic yet, they've not been together long, things may calm down over the next few days. Monitor the situation closely and please keep us updated.  :)

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« Reply #93 on: April 30, 2018, 10:19:54 AM »
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Some good, pertinent, questions there guys...  This morning's report:

Today, most notably with the tank lights off, they are all three swimming together still, in a little shoal type affair...  There doesn't appear to be any nipping, but the original fella is still swimming after, or closely following, the smaller one of the two newer blue ones...  This original one is the more persistent in harassing the others, but the larger of the two newer blue ones is not at all far behind...  Not seen any of the sharper/faster movements this morning, it's more like constantly following the smaller one... 

The smaller one hasn't lost colour and is still looking like he wants to swim with the other two - which is sorta odd considering he is the main victim of this behaviour...  Certainly not hiding away...  Feeding time is fine, they all concentrate on eating as much as they can, as fast as they can...!!!  I would at this point say that they don't look especially stressed - I do though, lol...!!!

One thing I have noticed and have noticed before actually, which is that in the presence of squabbling fish, the Cardinals and Pristellas tend to copy the behaviour a little...  They have done this for a while now, originally copying the Red Phantom Tetras, but as the RPTs have slowly calmed a bit that too spread to the other Tetras...  With the new Platies bickering such a lot more than the RPTs, it has set all the Tetras off that little bit again...

I did choose all males deliberately, on the grounds that I was told that it's not unusual to buy females and find that one or more of them already be pregnant and finish up with a bunch of newborns in the tank even with no adult males present... 

I desperately hope they do settle down into a peaceful groove as they are so lovely looking...  They steal the show, visually, even more so than the Cardinals - and that's not easy to do of course...   So, fingers crossed that this situation is temporary... 

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The situation sounds quite promising.
I can understand the original one being the instigator of the behaviour. He was there first, so perhaps he's just making that known to the new arrivals.
It's great to hear that the little one hasn't lost colour, and doesn't look stressed.
Sometimes a community tank is more stressful for the owner than the fish.
I can also understand wanting to keep a single sex group, they are prolific breeders.
Fingers crossed that the whole gang settles in together.  :)

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My harlies fight when I made new additions. In fact I have had a death within a week  of the last two times I've added new fish. At the last addition, I'd hoped that adding a lot of fish, smaller fish and different species might reduce the hierarchy fights. But I still found a body a few days later. I'm not sure what it was because the snails had been snacking, but there was enough orange red colour for me think it was a harlie or espeii rasbora. Harlequin makes more sense from the fighting, but I think it was too small and I can account for all the harlies. But it makes less sense for it to be an older espeii (the new ones were a lot smaller, so I know it wasn't one of them).

I'm pretty sure it wasn't a fiveband barb.

Edit: my point is that even good community fish can change their normal behaviour when they get new tank mates - until things settle down. I don't think your platies sound like they're fighting enough for you to find a body!! :yikes:

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I was going to go over to Stockport today, family visiting, but think I'm gonna stick around instead, go tomorrow probably...  Feeling less panicked now (thanks you guys :))) but still a little anxious...

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Through the course of the day and especially since the lights came on @ 2:00pm, the Platies have been hard at it again, constantly squabbling and looking increasingly more aggressive actually...  Then to top it off, one of them had an exploratory nip at one of my Amano shrimp...!!! 

That sealed their fate and they have to go...!!!  Gutted to be honest right now, but I definitely can't accept newcomers to the tank having a go at established residents like that...  Only question is, whether or not to keep the original orange one and just return the other two newer ones - or write this off as a failed experiment...?

One factor that points to writing them off is that my water is in that "moderately hard" bracket @ 8.77dGH and the Platies are Variatus if I'm not mistaken, and they like water a little harder than mine really... 

Definitely gutted, but I just can't handle fighting fish in the tank, especially once they start pecking at my Amanos...!!!

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Personally, I think you're making the right decision. Although behaviour can/does change among tank inhabitants over time, it sounds as though this is only going to get worse such as a fatality and others learning that bad behaviour. Do you have a separate tank/container, heater and filter that you can move the two newbies into and see how the existing platy fares, and indeed if the tank settles down once again, once "normality" is restored? I think this first one deserves to be given a chance as all was fine when he was the sole platy, and he was a good addition to the tank.

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« Reply #99 on: April 30, 2018, 07:22:25 PM »
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In fishkeeping terms, I would say your water is not even moderately hard maybe just slightly hard. Your 'moderately hard' sounds like what a water company would say, and their definitions are not the same as in fish keeping.

Personally I would say moderately hard starts at 10 dH, with hard starting at 12 or 13.


I would use this as the excuse to take all the platies back. Getting some females - at least 2 females for every male - would probably calm them down, but 6 females would have an awful lot of fry, every month.

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