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Setting Up A 'Temperate' Pond

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Re: Setting up a 'Temperate' Pond
« Reply #50 on: April 19, 2018, 05:36:56 PM »
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I’m considering buying an in-line fan for hydroponics use. They are high output and I could probably work out a way of putting a hose above the surface of the pond to blow air over the surface. I can mount the fan in a waterproof enclosure.

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Re: Setting up a 'Temperate' Pond
« Reply #51 on: April 20, 2018, 08:23:57 AM »
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That sounds interesting. Let me know how that goes as I may need something for my river tank that is cheaper than a chiller. Obviously as my tank is indoors things are a lot easier for me, so I'm going with fans & water changes at the moment.  :)

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Re: Setting up a 'Temperate' Pond
« Reply #52 on: April 20, 2018, 10:31:43 AM »
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That looks alright Dave...  :)   Definitely the sort of thing I'd consider...  I have seen some purpose built fans on one of the websites, geared up for tank cooling, but for much smaller tanks though... 

I like the look of those in Donna's link too...  :) 

Not too bad, temperature wise, at the moment, but obviously things are gonna be warming up from now...

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Re: Setting up a 'Temperate' Pond
« Reply #53 on: April 20, 2018, 10:55:31 AM »
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Latest Readings from the Seneye in the Pond (attached). You can see the temperature is creeping up. The pH had been fluctuating a bit but I managed to curb that by covering the Pond with a sheet of the mirrored insulation during the peak sunlight hours (13:00 - 17:00). Today its gone up because I ran the water feature. Probably drove the O2 level up.
There are also a few more pics of the setup (bit Heath Robinson) but it works. There are 2 showing the cover. I place a couple of rocks on it to stop it blowing away !!. There is another of the filter with the insulation wrapped around it and 1 of the working water pump feature.
I am going to construct a rustic looking box to cover the filter although its tucked away and not really noticeable. I will also do something more permanent for the cover.

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Re: Setting up a 'Temperate' Pond
« Reply #54 on: April 20, 2018, 12:36:46 PM »
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I have used fans previously to cool my axolotl tank, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tropical-Freshwater-Aquarium-Cooling-FS-604/dp/B00DGR5RQ6  and I found that it worked well if you only need to drop the temperature slightly, perhaps a degree or two. Combined with shade, and regular water changes this may be enough in all but the warmest of summers.
I've also floated ice packs in the tank to help.
Eventually I purchased a chiller, which was quite expensive.

Sorry about being off topic here for a mo Dave... 

The Amazon fans there, looking at the feedback, one person had a simple but brilliant idea: 

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3 of the fans stopped working after approximately 6 weeks cheap rubbish You better off putting a household fan in front of the tank works much better"

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Re: Setting up a 'Temperate' Pond
« Reply #55 on: April 20, 2018, 12:37:38 PM »
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Back on topic now:  love that vintage water pump set up - that looks fantastic...!!!   :D

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Re: Setting up a 'Temperate' Pond
« Reply #56 on: April 20, 2018, 12:53:10 PM »
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Great set up.  :)
Glad to hear that your insulation is helping to keep the pond cool.

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Re: Setting up a 'Temperate' Pond
« Reply #57 on: April 20, 2018, 03:08:59 PM »
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I did consider the standard "PC" fans in a case, which I have on top of my tank (see pic). However, I think the Hydroponic / Bathroom inline one would be ideal, there much more powerful. I could simply cut a hole in the cover attach a 100mm hose to it via a standard fitting and then attach this to the fan.

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Re: Setting up a 'Temperate' Pond
« Reply #58 on: April 23, 2018, 11:07:58 PM »
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Update on the Golden Barbs. They have settled in nicely and are now swimming around with the Shiners and the WCMM. I assumed they’d pretty much keep to themselves but this isn’t the case. They are there with the rest of them at feeding time.
I also now have 4 Hillstream loaches. I didn’t get the Sewellia’s in the end. There was, however, a mixture of Gastromyzon Loaches under the general moniker of Hillstream Loaches. I noticed one of them has blue veined fins and looked quite attractive. There is plenty of algae on the pond liner for them, and the pebbles are starting to go green in places.
I have had them a few days and can see them occasionally attached to pebbles on the bottom.
Shrimp are also doing well, they are practically full size now and I can see them on the Java Moss and wandering over the pebbles.
I’ll see if I can take some pictures using the waterproof camera I used for the Video.

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Re: Setting up a 'Temperate' Pond
« Reply #59 on: April 24, 2018, 08:27:42 AM »
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Great to hear that all your fish have settled in and are doing well.  8)


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Re: Setting up a 'Temperate' Pond
« Reply #60 on: April 24, 2018, 06:59:14 PM »
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All sounds great  :))

Can wait to see those photos!  :fishy1:

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Re: Setting up a 'Temperate' Pond
« Reply #61 on: May 03, 2018, 11:39:52 AM »
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Latest video of the pond inhabitants https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgcp9Cjsdro
Barbs are coming along nicely.
As you can see the Hornwort is growing well and to the right of the picture is the Aponogeton henkelianus.

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Re: Setting up a 'Temperate' Pond
« Reply #62 on: May 03, 2018, 12:06:47 PM »
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Pond residents looking good there Dave...  :)

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Re: Setting up a 'Temperate' Pond
« Reply #63 on: May 03, 2018, 02:23:55 PM »
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Fantastic.  8)

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Re: Setting up a 'Temperate' Pond
« Reply #64 on: May 03, 2018, 07:00:07 PM »
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I love the video and especially the rainbow shiners which I've never actually seen in real life / the LFS.  8)

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Re: Setting up a 'Temperate' Pond
« Reply #65 on: May 04, 2018, 07:53:33 AM »
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Nice one @daveyng, im going to have to give this a go myself!

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Re: Setting up a 'Temperate' Pond
« Reply #66 on: May 10, 2018, 12:29:49 PM »
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Latest Pond Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa4BJNUVGRk
This one shows how the plants are coming along. The Hornwort is certainly growing well in the background. The  Aponogeton's are also coming along nicely.
The fish are visible towards the bottom of the screen. You can see the neon blue on the Shiners quite well and the Golden Barbs are also looking good.
Temperature got up to 26 C at one stage but I managed to bring it down by having the pump running.
I am currently more concerned with the pH at the moment it got up to 8.08 at one point.
I have taken to shading the pond for most of the afternoon now which stabilises the pH and keeps the temperature at a reasonable level.
The fish seem to be Ok but I don't want the pH climbing to these extremes.
The only explanation for the pH swings I have currently is Photosynthesis of the plants and algae. This is based on Pond Forums and other literature regarding aquaculture.
It seems that a Ponds normal pH range is usually between 7.5 and 8.5.
I would prefer mine not to go much above 7.5.

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« Reply #67 on: May 10, 2018, 02:50:16 PM »
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Looking better & better Dave... 

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« Reply #68 on: May 10, 2018, 04:06:04 PM »
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I keep wondering, @daveyng how do you film your temperate pond? Do you have a waterproof camera?

Looking good btw.

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« Reply #69 on: May 10, 2018, 04:50:04 PM »
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Yes, I do have a waterproof camera. It’s one of those budget sports cameras (Campark ACT74) from an online retailer. It’s perfectly OK for this sort of job. You can also use it as a dashcam.

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Re: Setting up a 'Temperate' Pond
« Reply #70 on: May 10, 2018, 07:20:31 PM »
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Your plants are flourishing  8)
Great to see you pond doing well.

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« Reply #71 on: May 10, 2018, 10:39:19 PM »
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I agree - pond and inhabitants (plants and fish) seem to be doing very well.  :cheers:

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Re: Setting up a 'Temperate' Pond
« Reply #72 on: May 18, 2018, 10:00:26 AM »
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I have just finished my DIY cooler (see attached). Now I'm just waiting for the hot weather to come back !!
I did test it yesterday and it appears to do it's job. If it works OK on a hot day I will get a temperature/cooler controller to run it.
The cooler is just a standard bathroom fan sealed in a weatherproof box. Inlet/outlet were sealed with aquarium sealant and also around the power lead inlet.

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Re: Setting up a 'Temperate' Pond
« Reply #73 on: May 19, 2018, 06:39:14 AM »
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That's a fantastic DIY project @daveyng  :vcross:

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Re: Setting up a 'Temperate' Pond
« Reply #74 on: May 19, 2018, 07:20:52 AM »
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By any chance Dave, do you follow the young Paul Cuffaro on YouTube...?  He's a tremendously confident young pup who is heavily into both aquariums and outdoor ponds - especially ponds - and is great fun to watch... 

www.youtube.com/channel/UCKFtfFitaK83yBc0rlg9m1A/videos

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Re: Setting up a 'Temperate' Pond
« Reply #75 on: May 20, 2018, 07:31:09 PM »
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Run the cooler for a day to see how it fared. It seems to be performing well. I will post some graphs showing the reduction in temperature over the last few days.
@Matt I hope I may of ‘fueled’ your interest in having a go at a ‘minipond’. It’ll be good to compare notes.
Had a brief look at the link posted by @TopCookie, looks very interesting. I will have more of a perusal later.

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« Reply #76 on: May 30, 2018, 12:22:40 PM »
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I've been running the cooler now for about a week and it sort of coped with this latest hot spell OK (see attached readings).
I'm using an Inkbird Temperature Controller to manage the DIY cooler. The temperature is set to 22 C with the cooler set to cut in at +1C above this. I have nothing currently attached to the heating circuit although I might plug one of the 300 watt heaters into this one to allow for failures. I can change the temperature to match the other controller in this case.
As an aside I will probably do a review of the Inkbird controllers as I now have 3 of them (2 different models).
I am still covering the pond during peak sunlight periods to prevent the pH from soaring. This also has the added benefit of stemming algae growth.
All pond inhabitants are doing well. The Amano's are now almost full size. I will probably get another 6 to boost the numbers to 18.
I will also look at purchasing the Odessa Barbs I mentioned previously.

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Re: Setting up a 'Temperate' Pond
« Reply #77 on: May 30, 2018, 07:12:22 PM »
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Genius  :cheers:

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« Reply #78 on: June 08, 2018, 11:14:54 PM »
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Couple of videos of the fish and plants.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpP8GykchXc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6_AKLM5Y-0
I purchased a small lily and planted it with the hornwort, which I had to seriously thin out as it had completely covered the water surface.
The Aponogeton are growing nicely. I am hoping they might attempt to flower soon.
As you can see the Red Shiners are quite a bit larger than the Rainbow Shiners. The Golden Barbs and WCMM are also doing well.

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« Reply #79 on: June 09, 2018, 06:42:04 AM »
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Your plants are doing very well, and your fish are looking active & perky.
Great stuff.  ;D

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« Reply #80 on: June 09, 2018, 01:39:44 PM »
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I agree - both fish and plants look great.  8)

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« Reply #81 on: June 09, 2018, 03:59:57 PM »
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It does look lovely. And inspiring.

I really like that it is a bit different to the usual aquarium set up. And it is really nice to see the fish from a different perspective.

Is the aponogeton the lacy leaves? They are pretty.

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« Reply #82 on: June 10, 2018, 12:20:22 AM »
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Yes Helen it’s a lacy leaf version Aponogeton Henkelianus. I think the leaves are slightly smaller than the Aponogeton Madagascariensis.

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« Reply #83 on: June 30, 2018, 01:20:21 PM »
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The Aponogetons I have the Pond have started to flower. I have attached a couple of pictures. The flowerheads look quite attractive.
I have managed to keep the water temperature below 25 C by using the home made fan and shielding the surface during the hottest parts of the day. Its averaging out at about 23 C at the moment.
Fish seem happy enough though.

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« Reply #84 on: June 30, 2018, 04:39:05 PM »
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Glad to hear that your pond fish are doing well, and those flowers are stunning.  :cheers:

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« Reply #85 on: June 30, 2018, 10:47:32 PM »
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That flower is going to be quite something when it's in full bloom... keep us posted!

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Latest video of the Pond inhabitants https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itRP2z_wWEQ. The Aponogeton are doing well and the stemof the flowering plant can be clearly seen. I have also attached the latest pics of the flowerhead itself.  I have removed a lot of Java Moss as it was taking over the bottom of the Pond.
You will also be able to make out the form of one of the Hillstream Loaches clinging to the liner at the rear on the left.
I have also included a graph of the long term temperature of the Pond from its inception last October to the beginning of June. As you can see the temperature was pretty stable until the weather started to warm up.

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Re: Setting up a 'Temperate' Pond
« Reply #87 on: July 04, 2018, 11:11:36 AM »
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Pond is looking really good now Dave...  Great job dude...!!!   :D

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« Reply #88 on: July 04, 2018, 01:18:00 PM »
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Stunning.  :afro
I had to give a cheer when I spotted the loach.  ;D
Your fish and plants are looking great, well done.  :cheers:

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« Reply #89 on: August 01, 2018, 10:49:43 PM »
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Latest video of the pond https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F91Y5TWODO0 taken at feeding time.
You’ll be able to catch a few glimpses of my latest additions (8 Odessa Barbs) which I recently acquired. Pond is now complete in terms of fish. I will be putting more Amano’s in, when I can obtain them.
Plants are still growing well and I removed quite a bit of Hornwort and Elodea prior to shooting the video.

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« Reply #90 on: August 02, 2018, 07:33:02 AM »
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 ;D

Lovely  :cheers:

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« Reply #91 on: August 02, 2018, 11:24:34 AM »
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Pond is looking super vibrant and colourful Dave...  Always manages to look even better with each newly uploaded video clip...  Great job sir...!!!   :D

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« Reply #92 on: August 02, 2018, 02:48:34 PM »
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Absolutely great - I love the different colours of the fish as they move.  :cheers:

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« Reply #93 on: October 03, 2018, 05:15:06 PM »
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Hi All
        Latest update for the Pond which is coming up to a year old.
Firstly the sad news I lost a couple of the fish recently (1 Odessa Barb and 1 Red Shiner). Others are fine though as you can see in my latest video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba3drVdXEto.
I have also included a few pics of the latest apontogen flower and the lily which has recently bloomed.
The few cold nights recently has "fired" up the heater on occasions.
I will be posting some of the recent data from the Seneye so you can see how the Pond has fared recently.

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« Reply #94 on: October 03, 2018, 06:18:49 PM »
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Thanks for sharing. I love your pond and fish, and the pond flowers are beautiful too.
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« Reply #95 on: October 03, 2018, 06:43:36 PM »
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Sorry to hear that you lost a barb and a shiner from your pond.

The rest of the fish and plants are amazing.  :afro

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« Reply #96 on: October 03, 2018, 08:10:50 PM »
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I couldn't believe the photos... then I remembered about the heater!  Great looking plants.  :cheers:

Sorry to hear about the fish losses... glad the rest of your crew are doing well  :D

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« Reply #97 on: October 07, 2018, 10:39:56 PM »
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Gave the filter a flush through using the inbuilt “cleaning” mode. A plate compresses the sponges using water pressure through a separate outlet. I’ve always wondered where this idea came from. I have never seen this option on external canister filters for aquariums (too messy for indoor use I suppose).
The filter can also be easily dismantled if a thorough clean is required.

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« Reply #98 on: October 08, 2018, 08:32:14 AM »
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That's quite an awesome function on your filter. Very useful.  8)

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Re: Setting up a 'Temperate' Pond
« Reply #99 on: October 08, 2018, 12:48:58 PM »
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My pond filter has that too... it is very useful. I also heard Juris talk about getter filters that are more all-in-one so to speak... filter heater co2 etc. A self cleaning type function seems like the logical next step to this!

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