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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #50 on: July 17, 2017, 10:28:58 AM »
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I've got everything on order, with the exception of the ndx, which was not available on Amazon. I'll try to track it down on other sites just so I have a fully stocked cupboard.

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #51 on: July 17, 2017, 04:00:30 PM »
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It's on Ebay if you have an account there.....

Do any local shops stock it? My go-to shop does; the owner told me they were getting it in after I mentioned battling camallanus worms and when it arrived he phoned me to tell me the active ingredient so I knew for future reference.

When you do track some down, could you look at the info sheet and see if it does actually say on there what's in it because eSHa's website doesn't say  :-\

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« Reply #52 on: July 17, 2017, 06:27:11 PM »
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It's on Ebay if you have an account there.....

Do any local shops stock it? My go-to shop does; the owner told me they were getting it in after I mentioned battling camallanus worms and when it arrived he phoned me to tell me the active ingredient so I knew for future reference.

When you do track some down, could you look at the info sheet and see if it does actually say on there what's in it because eSHa's website doesn't say  :-\

I've had a little google, and a post on another fish forum has popped up in which someone has posted that the ingredients are:
eSHa-ndx - levamisole
Sera Nematol - emamectin
Kusuri Wormer Plus - flubendazole

Hopefully Littlefish will be able to verify if that's correct when she tracks it down. :)

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #53 on: July 17, 2017, 06:50:44 PM »
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Hmmm, did the poster on the other forum have an avatar that looks suspiciously like mine?


The chap at the fish shop looked at the leaflet and phoned me to say that ndx contains levamisole, but I haven't actually seen the leaflet I just have his word for it.

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #54 on: July 17, 2017, 07:48:05 PM »
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I've ordered the ndx from ebay, so it should be here later this week.  :)

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« Reply #55 on: July 17, 2017, 08:03:52 PM »
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Hmmm, did the poster on the other forum have an avatar that looks suspiciously like mine
Hahaha - so they do!  Now that you mention it, and I've re-read the content, it does sound/read like a post of yours.  ;D

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #56 on: July 20, 2017, 08:16:45 AM »
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All meds have arrived so I am now fully stocked on that front.
Also have a snail trap in the tank, which seems to be working well.
All fish from branches of MA are reserved, so now I just need to decide on my mid-water swimmers, and contact Kesgrave Tropicals to order the rest of the fish I want & arrange a collection date.
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« Reply #57 on: July 20, 2017, 12:29:35 PM »
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Does the med include eSHa-ndx? If it does, could you look at the leaflet and see if it gives the active ingredient. The chap at Aquatic Finatic told me it was levamisole, but I haven't actually seen it with my own eyes  :)

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« Reply #58 on: July 20, 2017, 01:40:20 PM »
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@Sue thanks for reminding me. Yes I do have the ndx and will check the leaflet and report back this evening.

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« Reply #59 on: July 20, 2017, 05:21:24 PM »
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The eSHa-ndx contains levamisole hydrochloride, and methylis parahydroxybenzoas.
You are correct in saying that it treats roundworms, as opposed to the gdex, which is flatworms.
If you want any more information just let me know.  :)

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« Reply #60 on: July 20, 2017, 08:09:12 PM »
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Thank you  :) It's good to have it confirmed. Now I know I'm not giving anyone mis-information  ;D

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #61 on: July 29, 2017, 08:05:06 AM »
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Things not quite going to plan...... ::)
Collected the 3 bulldog plecs and 3 panda garra from store last weekend. Unfortunately the hillstream loaches had not survived at the store.
I've ordered 10 sewellia lineolata, 8 stiphodon semoni, and 20 rainbow shiners, but can't collect them until next weekend due to my schedule, and can't guarantee there will be 10 loaches available, just hoping they have some in their delivery next week. I might also increase the number of shiners to 30.
Collecting 7 stiphodon annieae this morning.
So much for the plans for getting everything at the same time and treating the main tank as a quarantine tank. Looks like I'll be using multiple quarantine tanks and putting the fish together some time in September.  :(  :P
Tank still pottering along with small amounts of ammonia, and at least the extra time is giving me more time to grow algae on rocks and in the tank.  :)

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #62 on: July 30, 2017, 04:09:06 PM »
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Nooooooo!  Hehe, it'll be alright.  Wouldn't be fishkeeping without having to shuffle things around sometimes.

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #63 on: July 30, 2017, 07:25:44 PM »
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I'm getting so used to all the quarantine tanks being in use and scattered around the living room.
I don't know what I'm going to do when everything is in the correct tank and I can actually walk around the whole room again.  ;D


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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #64 on: July 30, 2017, 08:52:10 PM »
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I don't know what I'm going to do when everything is in the correct tank and I can actually walk around the whole room again.  ;D
Get another tank?  ;D

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« Reply #65 on: July 30, 2017, 09:40:15 PM »
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 ;D

I still have an empty tank in the spare bedroom.

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #66 on: July 31, 2017, 06:57:20 PM »
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;D

I still have an empty tank in the spare bedroom.

Well there you go then, halfway to taking up that space already!

And what do you mean "spare bedroom"?  Surely that's just begging to be a dedicated fish room.

I have a dastardly plan you see:  convince you to set up lots of different themed tanks that I'm interested.  Then, when I finally move off camp and into a proper house like a real grown-up I can just ask you about setting them up instead of trawling the internet myself ;)

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #67 on: July 31, 2017, 08:14:55 PM »
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There are still so many fish that I would like to set up tanks for.....damn the watery world of fish for being so interesting.
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« Reply #68 on: July 31, 2017, 08:36:58 PM »
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Well if ever you feel like a Rainbow tank I'll be following that thread very closely.

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #69 on: July 31, 2017, 10:05:38 PM »
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I won't be doing anything new until I've got everyone settled in the river tank, and I've grown the bristlenose babies large enough to go to MA. I'm quite enjoying the chaos though.  ;D

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« Reply #70 on: July 31, 2017, 11:12:49 PM »
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That's fine, I'm in no rush!  :P

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« Reply #71 on: August 05, 2017, 08:28:14 AM »
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Plans for today include draining the tank, putg the rest of the stones from the algae tanks into the main tank, and restocking the algae tanks with rocks. Any last minute rearrangements will also be made, possibly including the addition of some more wood, then refilling the tank with a mix of RO and tap water.
I have arranged to collect the remaining fish from Kesgrave Tropical tomorrow.
I'm nervous and excited as I've wanted those particular hillstream loaches for over a year, got the tank just before Christmas, and have spent months planning the tank.
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« Reply #72 on: August 05, 2017, 12:43:02 PM »
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Good luck, i hope it all goes to plan.  :cheers:

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« Reply #73 on: August 05, 2017, 08:07:10 PM »
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Good grief, it took a long time to empty the tank, put some more rocks in, and refill it.
I'm going to have to wait until one of the boys calls over later in the week to put the hood on top as it's too heavy for me to to that on my own.
I haven't switched the air pump on yet, as I'm currently monitoring the water flow to see how well the manifold is working, but I've already placed the air lines & stones at either end of the tank, but may end up putting more in. I'm also considering upgrading to a larger pump, as I'm currently not sure that the water flow is strong enough to keep the sewellia lineolata totally blown away, but it will do for now.
The plants in the slightly sheltered parts of the tank are doing ok, and two of the bucephalandra have got flower buds, so I'm looking forward to seeing what they look like.
I've not got enough rocks in the tank yet, and have more in the algae tanks by the window, but if the tank starts running low on algae for the fish I've already got the bulldog plecs, panda garra, and gobies eating the Repashy foods, which I've used to coat rocks & logs, so I can try that in the main tank as well.
Fishy shopping tomorrow.  ;D

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #74 on: August 06, 2017, 01:40:04 PM »
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Exciting times. :D

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« Reply #75 on: August 06, 2017, 03:26:57 PM »
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I collected the fish this morning, and they are now exploring the tank.
I'll wait until tomorrow to turn the lights on and take some pictures.
Without wishing to state the obvious, the rainbow shiners are really shiny.
The cobalt blue gobies are so cute, and are hopping rock to rock sampling the algae.
The hillstream loaches are  staying towards the back of the tank at the moment, possibly settling in, but a few have been spotted on the back wall of the tank, generally pottering around......oooh, one at the front of the tank...they are a fascinating shape.
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« Reply #76 on: August 06, 2017, 03:33:30 PM »
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Can't wait to see the photos  ;D

If your stiohodons are anything like mine, they'll be a bit pale at the moment but the males should colour up in a few days.

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« Reply #77 on: August 06, 2017, 03:35:02 PM »
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I'm soo jealous...     :P

What temperature are you running the tank at btw?

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« Reply #78 on: August 06, 2017, 06:04:32 PM »
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Loving reading about the developments and, like Sue (and no doubt others), very much looking forward to seeing the pics - and reading about any antics the fish get up to.
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« Reply #79 on: August 06, 2017, 06:49:42 PM »
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I'm like a kid at Christmas with this tank, possibly because I've been planning it for such a long time.
The tank looked very empty earlier, but now the hillstream loaches are exploring the rocks, along with the gobies, and between them they've already completely stripped the algae of one rock and have nearly finished another. The shiners have settled down enough to spread out, so the tank looks more full.
The larger stiphodon, which I'm guessing is older as it is quite a bit bigger, has started to get some colour, and there is a smaller one with nice markings which are darker towards the tail. I'm looking forward to putting lights on tomorrow to have a really good look.
I still have the annieae gobies in a quarantine tank, and they are quite small, but I saw 2 of them have a tussle over ownership of a small rock yesterday. The winner got the green marbled rock, which I have to admit made his red colouring look great.
The panda garra and bulldog plecs are in a different quarantine tank, and I think when everyone is in the main tank it will actually look pretty full. I'm also wondering if the annieae gobies are going to be to small to do well with the other fish, but that's a consideration for another day.

The tank is currently running at 22C.
I also used RO to drop the water from my 17dH down to 14dH, which is the hardness of the water where they were being kept. The hillstream loaches are quite sensitive little things, so I figured that anything that would make the move less stressful would help. I still can't believe I've actually got them.  :fishy1:

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« Reply #80 on: August 06, 2017, 10:54:13 PM »
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New fishies, yay!  <))><

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« Reply #81 on: August 07, 2017, 12:39:49 PM »
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I imagine that the combination of daylight, tank lights, and a front glass covered in biofilm to encourage the fish to the front, doesn't make for the best pictures, and I certainly can't catch the iridescence on the shiners, but the gang are settling in.
I'm guessing I'll have to clean the front glass to get better pictures, but I think I'll leave it for a few days to take the opportunity to feed on it.  :fishy1:

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« Reply #82 on: August 07, 2017, 07:12:20 PM »
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I'm guessing I'll have to clean the front glass to get better pictures, but I think I'll leave it for a few days to take the opportunity to feed on it.  :fishy1:
I know you're right "in there" with all your aquatic inhabitants but I'm getting a little concerned that you eating algae from the inside of the tank is a step (or should I say a tail swish?) too far.  ;)

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« Reply #83 on: August 07, 2017, 08:45:45 PM »
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 :rotfl:

What can I say, I like to make sure that their environment is suitable.  :))

It's been a good day and I'm finding out a lot more about what the new arrivals like. The rainbow shiners have been fine with flake, are quite active, and seem to be quite happy with the open swimming space in the tank.
After spending more than a month to grow algea on rocks, I have found that the hillstream loaches and stiphodons seem to prefer the very green stuff that settles on the rocks after just a couple of days in the algea tank, rather than the more stubborn algae on the older rocks. Unfortunately the very green alage doesn't last long, and they have stripped all the rocks I put in today. The loaches have a reputation for being quite sensitive, not travelling well on import, and being undernourished. This was why I spent so much time trying to grow algae. Luckily the people at Kesgrave Tropicals had got the fish feeding on algae wafers, and put a wafer in the tank to show me that the fish were feeding well. It looks as if the loaches now have quite a taste for wafers because I dropped one in the tank this evening and it was chaos. The wafer took ages to sink due to the water flow, then it landed in a corner but the river manifold intakes, and got wedged between some pebbles. The loaches then all tried to fit into the corner at the same time to get to the wafer. I tried to take a pic, but they are still quite nervous about me getting close to them with the laptop.

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« Reply #84 on: August 07, 2017, 09:03:21 PM »
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I feed algae wafers to my stiphodons. I discovered that the dominant male chased the others away from it, so I now break it up into small pieces, soak it till the bits sink then use a pipette to squirt the bits at various points around the tank. If you tried this you'd have to use something a bit longer than a pipette though as the water flow would carry the bits away worse than a whole one.


I had never heard of annieae gobies so I googled them. They are gorgeous. If I'd been able to source them locally, I would have gone for them instead of the "indigo blues"

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« Reply #85 on: August 07, 2017, 10:23:05 PM »
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I'd never heard of annieae gobies before either, but they got some in at MA and one of the boys told me about them. After I'd found out a bit more I decided to get them for the river tank. They are quite small, so now I'm not sure about putting them in the river tank, but they are doing well in their current tank, so plenty of time to decide.
Good idea about the algae wafers. I'm also going to try the Repashy food coated onto stones, and possibly also use the Repashy as glue to attach algae wafers to pebbles to weigh them down.
It seems to me that however much research & planning I think I've done for a tank, there is always a lot more to learn when the tank is set up and I see how the fish are using it.  ::)

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« Reply #86 on: August 09, 2017, 07:23:26 PM »
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The plants in the slightly sheltered parts of the tank are doing ok, and two of the bucephalandra have got flower buds, so I'm looking forward to seeing what they look like.

I noticed a flower bud on my bucephalandra maia as well this afternoon. I will show my ignorance and say I had no idea they flowered  :o

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« Reply #87 on: August 09, 2017, 08:17:59 PM »
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I noticed a flower bud on my bucephalandra maia as well this afternoon. I will show my ignorance and say I had no idea they flowered  :o

You and me both Sue.  ;D

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« Reply #88 on: August 09, 2017, 08:30:16 PM »
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I'm struggling to get pics of the rainbow shiners. They are certainly very wary of phones, tablets, etc.
I still haven't cleaned the front glass either.  ::)

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« Reply #89 on: August 12, 2017, 06:28:51 PM »
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The gang are settling in. There is a little patch of sunlight on one part of the tank, which helps with growing algae.
The loaches are fighting over the best stones.
I can't explain what the rainbow shiners look like. In real life the colours are amazing, but when I take pictures they just look like a snazzy black neon tetra. Possibly because of the iridescence, but the colours only really show well in movement. I've only taken pics with the laptop, which isn't great, but it's as good as it gets for now.  ;D

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« Reply #90 on: August 12, 2017, 06:30:21 PM »
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« Reply #91 on: August 15, 2017, 06:01:37 PM »
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Got a few more rocks for the river tank today. Just some minor rearranging to do (move an air stone and add some pebbles) and I think it's done. Phew, it's been quite hard work, but totally worth it to get a suitable environment for the sewellia lineolata, and to see the other fish playing in the flow.  :)

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« Reply #92 on: August 15, 2017, 06:34:20 PM »
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Regardless of the amount of time I spent growing algae on rocks in tanks on the windowsill, and however murky I leave the front glass rather than cleaning it, the loaches still stop squabbling over rocks to enjoy an algae wafer.
Not exactly what I expected considering what I'd read about them being difficult to feed after import, etc. but also very handy to know that they won't go without when I eventually add the panda garra and bulldog plecs.
I don't know how long these fish had been at Kesgrave Tropicals, but the people there did drop a wafer into the tank to show me that they were feeding well, which was a nice touch.
Perhaps this week I'll go wild, clean the front glass, and take some pictures to post here and perhaps send to Kesgrave as well.
The shiners go nuts for flake, and frozen daphnia. I've not tried themon anything else yet.
The gobies seem most happy eating biofilm & algae off the glass & rocks. Another reason for not cleaning the front glass is because it's so entertaining to see their little mouths going like the clappers as they feed.  :)

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #93 on: August 15, 2017, 07:01:40 PM »
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These updates on progress are great. This is exemplary of how fishkeeping should be ie lots of research in advance, preparing the tank(s) in line with the species' requirements, and then enjoying them thrive (in the fruits of your labour). It upsets me when I overhear folk in a LFS talking as though they're in a pick'n'mix sweet shop and seem to want to just purchase then and there whatever takes their fancy. Keep up the good work, Littlefish, and your tank inhabitants will continue to thrive accordingly.  :fishy1:

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« Reply #94 on: August 15, 2017, 08:34:56 PM »
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Holy crap, no...... Although I don't have any experience with the sewellia lineolata, I have read as much as I could before getting them, and expected the males to fight as shown in a previous picture (stomach to stomach, almost on end). I can only say that I have just witnessed what I can only describe as quite rough behaviour but  "obviously not fighting" between a male and female. Luckily it was rudely interrupted by another male, but all I can say now is "please, no more, I can't cope". I am going to have to give all tanks a stern talking to on the grounds I can't be dealing with any hanky panky until I've dealt with the current batch of BN and dwarf puffer babies. I can't move for quarantine and baby tanks. Seriously.

@fcmf many thanks for being so kind about my progress. I enjoy researching requirements and setting up tanks. However, I feel I need to point out that I still can't be trusted at an LFS...I may not buy something straight away (apart from the betta), and I may make the effort to research & check with you guys here, but at the end of the day my sweet shop mentality is what has caused the purchase of so many tanks. That and living on my own, so not having anyone to tell me "no".  :D

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I moved the airlines today, and added some more pebbles.
Apart from putting the hood on the tank (waiting for help with that), then adding the other fish at the end of their quarantine period, it's pretty much done.

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« Reply #96 on: August 18, 2017, 06:29:37 PM »
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And it looks good. :)

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« Reply #97 on: August 18, 2017, 08:20:22 PM »
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Thanks, and I'm enjoying watching the antics within the tank.  :)

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« Reply #98 on: August 18, 2017, 09:43:33 PM »
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Congrats! [ What on earth are you feeding your fish for them all to be so virile?! Viagra fish flakes/pellets?  :rotfl: ]

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@fcmf I have no idea, but if I knew I'd certainly stop.  :rotfl:

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