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Setting Up A River Tank - Littlefish

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Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« on: May 22, 2017, 11:43:43 AM »
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Today is the day that I have actually started the tank that is suitable for the fish that I fell for over a year ago - Sewellia lineolata.
When I got my first temperate tank(s) with zebra danios and v. platies I started looking at other fish, and when I saw a picture of that particular hillstream loach (picture below) my mind was made up. I spent a lot of time researching requirements, and getting distracted by my multiple tank syndrome, but  last Christmas I had a tank delivered that I set aside for the project.
Over the past few weeks I've been buying bits and pieces, plastic tubing, a pump, etc. and this morning I made a start on the river tank manifold.
As you can see, I'm a bit of a girl when it comes to this sort of thing, and I work on a towel on the floor in the living room, rather than a workshop or shed, but at least I'm getting stuff done.
Just stopping for a coffee, and to give the silicone on the base of the manifold a bit of time to start drying, then it's time to carry on with making the in and outflow sections.  :)

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2017, 02:24:40 PM »
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Those are lovely tanks, I have serious tank envy!

What's going in the other one?

I also had to hit YouTube to see what the pipes are going to become,  Looks like its going to be awesome once finished.  :afro

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2017, 02:41:02 PM »
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The tank on the right is for the river tank.
The tank on the left houses my 6 mature male axolotls. They were one of the many distractions.  ;D

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2017, 02:52:47 PM »
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Ah.  Thought they were both currently empty since I completely failed to notice the Christmas decorations!  :-[

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #4 on: May 22, 2017, 04:54:40 PM »
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Nice, I've seen this kind of river setup in videos.  Hillstream loaches are perfect for it.  Will you be putting other fish in or packing it with those ones?

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #5 on: May 22, 2017, 08:07:55 PM »
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I will be putting other fish in, there are quite a few fish that like cooler conditions and fast moving water, as long as there is not a strict adherence to a biotope. I'm thinking along the lines of giant danios, freshwater gobies, and  shiners, but the main star will be the loaches.

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2017, 09:48:44 PM »
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All nice choices. :D  I'm particularly keen to see some shiners.

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2017, 10:14:20 PM »
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I only saw those fish recently, when visiting an LFS that had blue shiners. They looked really good, and they were in a cooler set up, so I had a chat with the staff to see if they were suitable, then did some research when I got home. I haven't finalised my fish list yet, so who knows what could happen.
I've already started to get some plants suitable for the river tank, and have some bucephalandra "wavy green" in my plant storage tank. I had another trip to Aquarium Gardens last week, and had a chat with the owner. He showed me some bucephalandra, the same size and shape as the ones I had, but a sort of dark almost purple colour, so I had to buy them. I've also been collecting large pieces of wood and large smooth rocks for months, so at least when I've finished the river manifold I'm ready to start setting up the tank. I'm very excited.  ;D

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2017, 08:09:38 PM »
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I've done some more work on the river manifold tonight. I can honestly say that I have not improved my skills with either super glue or silicone.   :-[
Leaving the pipe work to dry and will try putting it in the tank tomorrow.

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2017, 06:32:02 AM »
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@Littlefish I'm not sure if it too late but I can see a simpler plumbing method the would increase flow and reduce the visible pipe and power heads in the tank If you are still flexible I could sketch it, just ask.

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2017, 05:36:32 PM »
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@Andy the minion thanks for the offer, but I've just put the manifold in the tank, with the assistance of my ever present helpers - brute force & ignorance.
I ended up buying a dry pump, so I have hose going from the manifold, rather than having the pump heads attached to the pipes. I have some large pieces of wood with which I hope to be able to hide the hose in the corner of the tank.
Most of the pipework on the manifold will be hidden by the sand & rocks, which should also help to hold it in place.
If the whole thing explodes the first time I turn it on I'll be in touch immediately for your sketch of a simpler plumbing method.
I still need to add the filter sponge to the uprights on the left, and will pick that up during my trip to collect the live food from the LFS tomorrow.
Phew, this is quite hard work.

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2017, 07:07:18 PM »
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@Littlefish Yes it looked like you were making good progress. Have you considered a Hamberg filter for the intake end?

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2017, 07:36:06 PM »
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@Andy the minion I had to look that up  :-[
The particular LFS I go to on Fridays have a substantial pond section, so I was hoping to pick up some suitable sponge tomorrow. I'll also be using an FX4 external filter in the tank, so the sponge on the manifold intake is just to stop bits going into the manifold and into the pump.
You are very technical/engineering minded, whereas I'm currently just bumbling along having a go at recreating what I've seen on other sites. I am slightly concerned that the whole lot will explode when I switch it on, but it's all part of the learning curve. At some point on the weekend expect to see pictures of the whole lot in pieces.

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2017, 08:03:59 PM »
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@Littlefish Relax, it'll be fine.....there is nothing to blow. Well apart from the lethally high voltage and current, large quantities of water and a little fish dangling by her toes into the tank from the top of a rickety ladder..... Oh I think I might just give the HSE a quick call, be right back.
No really it will be fine, so long as you don't monkey with the wires the only risk is a leak from the FX4 and you have done one of those before.

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2017, 10:00:15 PM »
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All the electrics should be fine, and I've got an FX4 running on the axolotl tank, so I should be ok setting that up. Regardless of the amount of super glue & silicone I've used, I'm still expecting the water pressure to break the manifold, so it should be quite exciting when I switch things on.
I have my usual safety precautions already in place - letting a friend know that if I don't email or text them by a certain time then it may be worth some minor panic, so I may have to extend that to getting them to come over with plenty of towels and a wet/dry vac to help me clear up the mess.  ::)

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2017, 05:21:50 PM »
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I was reading about river tanks the other day and remembered this thread.

How's the tank getting on now?

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« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2017, 10:06:51 PM »
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It's still a work in progress, but nearly done.
It's currently cycling while I grow more algae on the remaining rocks in a tank on the windowsill.
The river manifold isn't running while I cycle, mainly to give some of the plants a chance to root well enough not to get swept away later. The flow at the back of the tank won't be quite as strong as the rest of the tank, so I'm hoping that everything will be ok. If not, then I'll just take all the plants out and put more wood & rocks in.
I've got 2 sets of bright lights on the tank to help with algae growth.
My biggest problem now is narrowing down the final list of fish.  ;D

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2017, 10:56:54 PM »
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Wow, looking epic.

That background is amazing... Wait ??? Is that an Otto I can see....

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2017, 07:01:57 AM »
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Lol took me a while to spot the Otto... wasn't looking for that!

Tank looks great Littlefish, have you tested the manifold?
It will look brilliant when the rocks are added.

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2017, 09:02:20 AM »
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I've only just found the oto as well. I remember Littlefish fooling us with that stick-on-the-outside oto when she bought it  ;D

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2017, 12:25:57 PM »
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That's looking really good.

I'm assuming the nothing exploded when you tested it out!

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2017, 02:24:40 PM »
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I have tested the manifold and nothing exploded, which was a relief.  :)
The Paleoplushie ottos have been on the outside of that tank for a while, but I may find somewhere else for them when I get some real fish in that tank.
I have some rocks precariously balanced on top of the largest pieces of wood because they are taking so long to sink properly. Those rocks will go into the algae tank on the windowsill when they are available.
Still struggling to narrow down the list of fish.  ;D

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #22 on: June 30, 2017, 03:22:39 PM »
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Wow!  That's a nice looking river system.  Very impressive.

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #23 on: June 30, 2017, 09:43:23 PM »
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Thanks everyone.

@SinghRathorTari the background is just a stick on one I got from Amazon. It was quite reasonably priced and comes in various lengths, so most of my tanks are done out with it.

Originally I had 3 of the Paleoplushie otos, but one has been rehomed at the Coton branch of MA after a friend went to work there.
My remaining 2 had a brief holiday at Steve's place when Nathan Hill visited to take pictures of his tanks.
http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/news/fishkeeping-news/articles/2017/6/7/video-steven-bakers-amazing-wall-of-life-aquarium
The otos returned with a much dimmer view of my tanks, which is fair enough, as Steve's tanks are awesome.

I'm still cycling the river tank, trying to grow algae on rocks, and trying to narrow down my list of fish.  ;D



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« Reply #24 on: June 30, 2017, 09:53:46 PM »
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I'm still cycling the river tank, trying to grow algae on rocks, and trying to narrow down my list of fish.  ;D
What fish are on the potential list?

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2017, 11:49:08 AM »
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Sewellia lineolata is definite, as it is the whole reason for setting up a river tank.
As for tank mates:-
Shiners
Panda garra
giant danios
pearl danio
bulldog plec
gobies/stiphodons
Florida flagfish

There are a few others, but my main problem is that not all fish on the list will work together.
I guess I could set up another tank...........  ;D


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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #26 on: July 03, 2017, 10:08:09 PM »
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Not another tank.... don't do it!!!  :vcross:

My vote would be for gobies.  These are high on my list for my bigger tank when that eventually happens!

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2017, 10:31:04 PM »
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Technically I still have an empty tank in the spare room.  ;D

So far my fish lists depend on where I shop. Ideally I'd like to get all the fish from the same shop.

So, from Kesgrave Tropicals I could get the following:
Sewellia lineolata
Butterfly hong kong plec (another hillstream loach, but darker)
Orange banded hillsteam catfish (Akysis vespa)
Panda garra
Rainbow shiner
Barcheek goby
white cheek goby

From my local MA I can get
Sewellia lineolata
Butterfly hong kong plec (another hillstream loach, but darker)
Panda garra
Red shiner
Cobalt blue goby
White cheek goby
Hikari danio
Giraffe danio

Whichever shop I go to I won't be able to get all the fish on the list because the tank will be too crowded, but at least they can both supply the hillstream loaches I want.
I've told MA I'll get the fish from them if they can get the fish and price match Kesgrave.
I'm just keeping the river tank ticking over, establishing the plants & growing algae on the rocks, until I know what fish I'm getting from where. It's very exciting. ;D

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2017, 04:15:46 PM »
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We'll that background had me convinced!

Was just looking at the Steve Baker link; and I would call that a planted tank on another level.

My vote would go to the Bulldog Pleco, if you can get them.  I have seen them at one of my LFS' and they look quite stand out when compared to the other Plecos.

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« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2017, 05:32:04 PM »
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My local MA has a batch of bulldog plecs in at the moment. They may not be the most attractive fish in the world, but I do have a soft spot of weird looking fish, and those are adorably goofy. I was just slightly concerned that they might be a bit big compared to some of the other fish in the tank. If I get then then I think I can rule out the akysis vespa, which are quite small.
There are a lot of bottom dweller on both lists, but it is a river tank, so I guess that's only to be expected. I was thinking perhaps just a big group of shiners for mid-water. Or a mix of shiners and one type of danio.
I always struggle to narrow down fish lists.

Steve's Borneo tank is spectacular. They are featuring his other tanks in PFK next month.

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2017, 07:30:31 PM »
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Have you considered Denison's Barbs?

They are peaceful (but active), seem happy with a wide range of water pH/hardness and are ideal for a river tank.

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« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2017, 09:41:53 PM »
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Have you considered Denison's Barbs?

Good suggestion - personally, I love those fish. Be careful what you suggest to Littlefish, though - she might decide that she quite likes the idea of them too, and, at the rate things are going, she'll have to start putting tanks in the garden and down the street or else move into a castle to house them all.  ;)

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2017, 10:06:04 PM »
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Have you considered Denison's Barbs?

Good suggestion - personally, I love those fish. Be careful what you suggest to Littlefish, though - she might decide that she quite likes the idea of them too, and, at the rate things are going, she'll have to start putting tanks in the garden and down the street or else move into a castle to house them all.  ;)

@fcmf you know me too well.  ;D
They are great fish and ideal for the tank.
I'm still struggling to narrow down my list of fish.  :-[

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« Reply #33 on: July 11, 2017, 04:24:02 PM »
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Holy Pants, Batman!
Have you seen the price of Denison's barbs!?!
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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #34 on: July 11, 2017, 07:50:41 PM »
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Oh yeah.

That might be a problem!!

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« Reply #35 on: July 11, 2017, 08:43:04 PM »
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They are lovely fish, although a tad pricey, and not easy to get hold of. The ones I found were at a store that delivered, but were only a 2 hour drive away, which I thought would be safer. Then I realised how much I'd be paying for a larger number to fill the mid-water region, and had to think again.  :o

So far the list is as follows:
Sewellia lineolata x 10
Hong kong plec x 5
Bulldog plec x 2
Panda garra - currently have the 5 re-homed ones in the quarantine tank, but may consider more
I would like some stiphodon/gobies as well
Rainbow shiners - possibly around 30 if I go for one species of mid-water fish, or 15-20 if I go for some larger danios as well.

Any comments and/or suggestions?

I can't get all the fish from one supplier, so would probably get the hong kong plecs and bulldog plecs from MA.
Kesgrave Tropicals have all the others and is only around a one hour drive each way.

Any suggestions on the order in which I buy/introduce the fish? A lot of them like algae, so I have 2 tanks of rocks on the windowsill growing algae. As soon as the rocks go in the river tanks I'll restock the windowsill tanks to keep up supply. The river tank itself is cycled, and I'm keeping it ticking over until I decide what to do. It's having long periods of bright light to encourage the plants & algae. I'm planning on starting to get the fish towards the end of the month. Should I get all the fish from Kesgrave in the main tank, and have the MA stock in quarantine tanks for a month or so? Should I introduce perhaps the mid-water fish first? If I get all the shiners from Kesgrave, can I add all the Kesgrave fish at the same time? While the MA fish are in quarantine?
Help! I'm getting myself into a bit of a tizzy. This will be the largest number of fish added to one tank that I have dealt with, and after waiting for so long to do a river tank I'd be furious with myself if I get something wrong.  :vcross:

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« Reply #36 on: July 15, 2017, 01:03:11 PM »
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I went shopping this morning, and although I have spent some money I have come home empty-handed.
I visited the 2 local MA's to reserve some fish for the river tank.
Luckily the store at Coton had an empty tank, so I temporarily have my own tank at the store, where I have some hong kong plecs, bull dog plecs, and panda garras reserved for collection in a couple of weeks.
I'm going to contact Kesgrave Tropicals to order some sewellia lineolata, rainbow shiners, and gobies for collection in a couple of weeks.
The plan is to use the main tank for the fish from Kesgrave, and set up some quarantine tanks for the fish from MA. Unfortunately this means that I won't have all the fish in the river tank until early September, and I'll have to set up mini river tanks for quarantine, but I've bought some additional internal filters & I already have some air pumps, etc. to get decent flow & high oxygenation in the quarantine tanks, so I think that will help.
Fingers crossed.

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« Reply #37 on: July 15, 2017, 01:11:31 PM »
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How very exciting - it's all starting to take more shape now and become more "real".  :cheers:

Keep us posted on the developments.  :fishy1:

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« Reply #38 on: July 15, 2017, 10:13:41 PM »
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Any comments and/or suggestions?

Breath deeply and relax.  :)

"Rainbow shiners - possibly around 30 if I go for one species of mid-water fish, or 15-20 if I go for some larger danios as well."
Maybe hold off until some other shiners (like the red shiners) become available?  They are so seldom seen in home aquariums that it'll be something to talk about.  Although your current selection of fish and amphibians has plenty there!

"Any suggestions on the order in which I buy/introduce the fish?"
Generally it should go from top to bottom.  Lack of dither fish means bottom fish hide more as an absence of higher fish equates in the fish mind to predators having got them.  Though you don't appear to have anything clashing territorially so introducing all fish at the same time wouldn't be an issue.

"Should I get all the fish from Kesgrave in the main tank, and have the MA stock in quarantine tanks for a month or so?"
The first batch of forktails I had when I lost over 60% were mail order from Kesgrave.  I would be tempted to, and mainly did on my Amazon tank, put them all in the main tank and treat them all at the same time with a general cure and dewormer.  Both MA and Kesgrave at the same time.  So in effect the main tank for the first month is a quarantine tank under treatment.  The only fish I did separate were the L397's as they are more sensitive.

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #39 on: July 16, 2017, 07:42:52 AM »
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It's all too exciting for me to relax.  ;D

Would you believe that the MA in Coton has red shiners....and one of the independent LFS I get my live food from has blue ones (but have said there is only 1 female), so I guess I could go for a mix. Perhaps I'll have a look at the stock levels again and look at the numbers of mid-water fish.

I was planning to drive to Kesgrave to collect the fish as I figure a 2-3 hour round trip would be less stressful for the fish (and me) than overnight delivery. I've got some large polystyrene boxes from work, which can be restrained using the seat belts, so I'm hoping to give the fish a relatively low-stress journey.

Introducing the fish at the same time would be great, if I could do it. Not only would it mean that the tank would be complete sooner than expected, but it would also mean that I wouldn't have to have numerous quarantine tanks on the go either.

I've just been to check what medications I have, and am going to throw most of them away as I can't remember if they have been opened within the last 12 months, so now I just have the esha 2000 left. Time to hit the internet and order some more. Would it be better to order the esha 2000 and ndx products, which looks like they would cover most things? Or go with the medications that the fish would be on at the stores? I think the MA use mainly Interpet products in store, but can check products used & schedule of medication, and I could phone Kesgrave to see what they use.

I also think that one of the things I'll do is pop a couple of snail traps into the tank for a couple of weeks. I've got some snails in there that have probably come off the plants, and was going to leave them, but don't want snails dying from fish medication and messing up the water quality at such a critical time.

Thanks for the help, and further comments, advice, etc. are always welcome.  ;D

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #40 on: July 16, 2017, 09:15:37 AM »
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I have been playing with fish numbers on the community creator here, and on Aqadvisor, to finalise my fish list.
Where the exact fish have not been on the lists I've replaced them with something similar, just to get a rough idea. I'm not planning on filling the tank with water, and the surface will be quite splashy due to strong flow, so I've taken that into account. Obviously the difference in suggested stock levels between the two sites is huge, as also noted this morning by @mizuti
On the CC here I have allowed for 400L water and my external filter. I have not allowed for any extra filtration provided by the river manifold.
Hillstream loach x 15 (to allow for 10 sewellia lineolata, and 5 hong kng plecs)
Bristlenose x 3 (for the bulldog plecs)
Zebra loach x 8 (for the panda garra)
Peacock gobies x 10 (for freshwater/cobalt blue gobies)
Brilliant rasbora x 30 (for shiners)
This gives me a stock level of 64%
Aqadvisor gives me a stock level of 126%

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #41 on: July 16, 2017, 09:18:31 AM »
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I must admit I don't quite believe the external filter option here is realistic. I have always stuck to oversized internal as a better guide if I have an oversized filter be it internal or external. What would that give you @Littlefish ?

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« Reply #42 on: July 16, 2017, 09:32:09 AM »
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I've just checked the figures and if I use "oversize internal" I'm at 86%, and if I use "internal" I'm at 103%.

In a strange way this reflects more of the Aqadvisor because that said I had plenty of filtration whilst being over stocked, so I guess it's more about footprint of tank & water volume than filtration.

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« Reply #43 on: July 16, 2017, 09:46:51 AM »
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That's how stocked I like my tanks to be. It starts to push the "too many fish in a zoo cage" boundary beyond there in my opinion.

Will you have plants in the tank to help prevent nitrate buildup? Otherwise you clearly have more than enough filtration!

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« Reply #44 on: July 16, 2017, 10:09:32 AM »
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I'm not too sure about the way the CC allows more fish the better the filtration. On my other forum, the real expert on there says the amount of filtration makes no difference to stocking levels. (This chap writes fish profiles for Seriously Fish and regularly has conversations with Neale Monks, the fish keeping guru, to keep himself up to date) Though I can see that an external effectively increases the volume of the tank and that extra volume allows more fish.
I have always used only internal and external in the CC, I don't used the oversized options.



There are pros and cons for both putting all the fish in together and quarantining them separately. Do you intend use meds as a preventative when you get the fish, or only if any fish look sick?



I don't think it really matters if you use the same meds as the shop. The important thing is not mixing meds in the same tank without removing the first one before adding the second. I would go with the eSHa meds, and maybe include a whitespot med as well.
I always write the date I open the bottle either on the label or the box.

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #45 on: July 16, 2017, 10:47:14 AM »
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@Matt I do have plants in the tank, but not enough to make a difference to the nitrate levels because the water flow doesn't really allow for it. Due to my water quality from the tap (hard & with high nitrates), I'll be using a mix on tap & RO to bring both down a bit and bring my tank water more into the range that the fish are comfortable with. I'll be doing this when I do the big water change before getting the fish, and from then on.

@Sue with an external filter in the CC I have a stock level of 64%. To be honest, with an external filter & river manifold, I'm comfortable with the filtration. The tank is a fair size and is quite open, with lots of sand & rocks for the bottom dwellers, and lots of wood & branches towards the back for fishy hidey holes and to get out of the high flow for a rest if necessary. The river manifold covers the front 3/4 of the tank, so the back part has extra air stones to maintain circulation around the wood at a more sedate pace.

Originally I was going to quarantine fish from different shops in different tanks, but the suggestion from @marquismirage for putting them all in one tank and treating them all at the same time with preventative medication interested me, as it would mean not having to have 4 quarantine tanks running at the same time. I've not bought fish from different shops without separate quarantine before, but it would be great to have them all in the same tank. I've still got quarantine tanks available if anything needs to be removed for stronger or more targeted treatments.

I already have the eSHa 2000, but will get some more, along with the exit, gdex, and ndx to cover the range.
The other meds I had in the cupboard were ones I'd bought from stores before I read about the eSHa products here, so they are no longer needed. I will make the effort to write on the bottles/boxes from now on though.

Is there any particular order you'd suggest using the treatments in? I have plenty of carbon, etc. in the cupboard to help remove meds after treatment & before water change, prior to using another one.

I can't believe how excited I am about this river tank.
Thanks all for the help so far. Please keep posting advice as I'm finding this all really useful.

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #46 on: July 16, 2017, 11:30:51 AM »
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As a preventative I would use eSHa 2000 as that seems effective against most diseases.


In 20 years of fishkeeping, I've had whitespot several times, finrot a few times (mainly bettas as their tails are so easily damaged) and camallanus worm once. I've had some fish die of dropsy, underlying disease not known, and other fish die of unknown causes.


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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #47 on: July 16, 2017, 08:27:21 PM »
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eSha 2000 is my go to general cure too and can be used with EXIT (mainly for white spot) and gdex (for internal worms) at the same time.

There is an upper limit to how much bacteria any given tank can support.  This is based on the ammonia that the tank receives as we all know already.  The thing about filters and the beneficial bacteria is that the bacteria will grow on any given surface in the tank too. So the filter isn't the only place where bacteria resides.  As a result an overly large filter will only grow a percentage of the overall bacteria to support the aquarium.  Anything extra isn't used except to gather poop in one place (which isn't a bad thing).  You'll run out of swim space for the fishies before you run out of bacteria.

Water changes are far more important than the filtration to keep the water quality good.  The more fishies you have in there the more water volume you need to change to keep things good.  On my big tank I do around 25 l (approx. 6-7%) change per day as it's much easier than doing a 25% in one day and it's probably more than the tank needs.  ThinkFish puts my stocking level at 28% with 17 Silver Tipped Tetras, 17 Super Blue Emperor Tetras, 18 Greenfire Bloodfin Tetras, 5 Apistogramma sp. Tefe, and 2 L397's.  Still I think it looks right as there's enough space for each fish to swim without bumping into other fish constantly.


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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #48 on: July 16, 2017, 08:50:16 PM »
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I'm confident that I have more than enough filtration, as I bought bigger than necessary to make sure I got enough turn over to create strong water flow. The sponge filters on the manifold are just to stop stuff getting into that pump, but I'm sure it will also make a nice home for the bacteria.
If only I had a tank big enough for all of the fish that I wanted.  ::)  Actually, I don't think I'll ever have tanks big enough for all the fish I want.  ;D

I've ordered the eSHa meds to arrive in plenty of time for the fish, which I aim to collect in 2-3 weeks.

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Re: Setting up a river tank - Littlefish
« Reply #49 on: July 16, 2017, 09:05:30 PM »
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eSha 2000 is my go to general cure too and can be used with EXIT (mainly for white spot) and gdex (for internal worms) at the same time.


eSHa gdex (active ingredient praziquantel) is for internal cestode tapeworms (and skin and gill flukes), eSHa-ndx (active ingredient levamisole) is for intestinal nematode worms.
If I remember my zoology, cestodes are flat worms and nematodes are round worms, so presumably they need different things to kill them.

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