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Offline DutchyHolland

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New Betta
« on: December 31, 2013, 06:54:44 PM »
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Hi all, look what I got today.  :)

I've called him Brynn, after Yul Brynner.

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Re: New Betta
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2013, 07:08:30 PM »
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Oooh he's pretty  :D

Is he a delta, a superdelta or a half moon? I can see he's not a veiltail as his tail has straight edges, but you can only see how wide his tail opens when he flares.




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Re: New Betta
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2013, 09:12:39 PM »
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Thanks Sue.   :)

I think he was described as a Lavendar Butterfly so I guess he's that then.  Like a Delta but with clear fin edges.
The body colour's sort of blue with a red tinge - so it looks purple (lavendar?) depending on the lighting.  Goes well with the red fins and clear edges I think.  He was so striking compared to the others I just had to get him.   ;D 


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Re: New Betta
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2014, 10:59:08 AM »
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If I'd seen him when I was looking for my betta, I'd have bought him too!

Butterfly is the colour pattern. Body and fins next to the body of one colour, fins another colour often with the body colour repeated on the fin edges. Tricolour butterflies have a third colour on the edges of the fins.
He's a delta if, when flaring, the edges of his fins are up to 120 deg apart. If they're 120 to 180, that's superdelta, and 180 is half moon. Mine looked like a delta when I got him but as he's matured he now looks more like a superdelta.

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Re: New Betta
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2014, 12:15:12 PM »
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Thanks Sue, that now makes perfect sense - (the label may have said Lavendar Delta thinking about it, I didn't take too much notice).   I guess that makes him a "Lavendar Butterfly Delta" altogether then?   I'll just call him Brynn...  ;D

He's getting to know his new tank today but hasn't taken any food yet despite my using the same feed they gave him at MA.  I expect (hope) he'll settle down and get hungry enough after a day or two.

I rather think the filter I've got in there may be a bit too strong for him though.  Would you have a look at the pic and see what you think please?  I've got the flow pointing upwards towards the side wall.
Would one of the Smallworld air driven filters like P@H sell be any better?  http://www.petsathome.com/shop/smallworld-pump-and-filter-kit-by-penn-plax-16312

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Re: New Betta
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2014, 02:18:04 PM »
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Bettas do have a reputation for not eating after you buy them. Persevere, removing any uneaten food before it goes off. I've never heard of one starving itself to death. They can be picky about their food. I give my current betta Hikari betta food, though when I could get it I preferred Atisons. They do better on specialised betta food rather than general flakes. I also soak the pellets in watr before feeding - you'd be surprised just how much they swell up.
They also like 'live' food once a week (I use frozen live) and giving them a finely chopped, cooked, deshelled pea for one meal a week is recommended. Bettas are prone to constipation and a pea helps with that.


They can struggle with a water flow that's too strong with those big fins. Bettas can get used to a strong flow, but if yours hides in the calmest part of the tank, I would think about changing it. The filter that came with the new tank I got a couple of months ago would have plastered my betta on the opposite wall. I did have the now discontinued Hagen Elite Mini filter in his old tank so I transferred that over but it had been making a funny noise for a while so I got a new one and put the Elite sponge into the new filter.
Filters like the one in your link are fine for bettas as air powered sponge filters have less water flow. Just make sure to move the media over form the filter in there now so you don't have to do a fish-in cycle.
The filter I bought is this one. It has a hollow sponge filled with carbon, which I emptied out. The sponge is almost double the size of the Elite's so I cut the new one in half, trimmed the Elite's sponge to shape and stuffed the trimmings in the hole in the new sponge. The filter also comes with an optional spraybar which has a flow rate control knob - I have that turned down a long way.

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Re: New Betta
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2014, 11:36:06 PM »
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Many thanks for your time Sue.  All good words that I do take notice of, I assure you.

I too am feeding with Hikari (Betta Bio Gold) - only two or three pellets at a time though until I see him eat something.  He's tried one or two pellets but spits them straight out so I'll start soaking them and see what happens.  I'm not too concerned about a few pellets being uneaten as I've got a couple of Oto's in there along with a few MTS's that I expect will take care of what little there is over.

Cheers for the filter info.  However, my tanks only a 12L so that one looks way too powerful as it's designed for up to 50L. 

I had to move the filter further away from the side (towards the middle)as Brynn was jamming himself in the corner next to the filter case for some reason.  I've now moved it further away which unfortunately has the effect of increasing the overall flow round the tank.  He's still hanging round that end of the tank though and seems to have problems staying out of the flow.  Maybe it's something he can see outside the tank?

Anyway, I'll take a look at the Smallworld filter at P@H tomorrow.  The only thing that bothers me is that the filter cartridges appear to be sealed units with carbon inside and designed to be replaced regularly.  I'll get one anyway and see if I can't modify things (ie break one open) to accept the good media from this filter instead.

Thanks,
Ken

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Re: New Betta
« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2014, 02:36:35 AM »
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Hi Ken...Happy New Year to you!
Brynn looks lovely...what a great New Year pressie to yourself! :)

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Re: New Betta
« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2014, 02:38:11 AM »
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Oh...forgot to say...Rafe always devoured his Tetra Betta flakes, the pot with the red top.

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Re: New Betta
« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2014, 10:44:05 AM »
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Thanks Resa, and a Happy New Year to you too.  :)

I bought a pot of some new-on-the-market pellets for my other fish on recommendation from the chap at MA. They're called Dr Bassleer Biofish Food Garlic and they love them.  I'm going to have to take them back though as they're heavy pellets that sink straight down into the gravel.   I know he uses the same pellets in the shop tanks so perhaps he'll allow me to swap them for some Tetra Betta flakes.  Fingers crossed otherwise that's yet another fiver wasted.   ::)

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Re: New Betta
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2014, 01:52:14 PM »
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Try soaking the Hikari pellets. They are quite hard straight from the tub but if you soak them they get soft and some bettas prefer soft food. I use a bit of hot water from the kettle as they soften faster than with cold water. If you do get the flakes, I'd be inclined to soak them too. This soaking is all because bettas are such greedy fish. They stuff food down as soon as they lay eyes on it, and if they gobble a lot of dry food at one go, it can expand inside them causing problems. If it has already expanded before they eat it, that's better for them. I pre-soak a lot of my fish food. The betta's pellets, the sinking pellets I feed my loaches and apistos (they too spit out hard pellets) and the same sinking pellets I crush up for my pygmy cories (the pellets are too big for such small fish).

The otos probably won't eat any left over betta food as they are strict vegetarians with a preference for algae. Betta food is quite protein-rich.The snails will eat it though, they seem to eat anything.

You don't have to use the filter media that comes with a filter. What is inside the filter you currently have? If it is sponge, chop it up to make it fit. All you need to make sure of is that it's a snug fit with no gaps round the edges as water will take the path of least resistance

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Re: New Betta
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2014, 10:42:18 PM »
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Hi again Sue. :)

No joy feeding again today - I'll try soaking tomorrows Betta pellets.  :(
Hopefully I'll get to MA and swap this garlic food out too.

I bought that air driven filter and managed to cut the back off the cartridge and remove the carbon pellets, zeolite and sponge supplied.  I replaced it with the sponge from the existing filter, cut in two to fit, with the zeolite chunks in the bottom to bulk things out a bit.  I gather this sort of filter acts like some sort of Hamburg(?) filter with the air movement acting as the driving force to pull water through the media
I'll keep a close eye on water parameters over the next few days to make sure I catch any spike and do a water change straight away if I see any irregularities.

Thanks again,
Ken

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Re: New Betta
« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2014, 10:37:06 AM »
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And sure enough...

Water this morning was 0.25, 0.25, 0.   :(

I've done a 50% w/c and added some Stress Zyme.  I suspect the new air filter may not be up to the job of cleaning up after 3 fish so I've also removed the Oto's.  Gonna get a better air pump this morning too.

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Re: New Betta
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2014, 02:01:08 PM »
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In my opinion, zeolite is not a good thing to have in a filter. It absorbs ammonia, which deprives the bacteria of food. The bacteria die off, or never grow in a brand new filter. Then the zeolite gets full, stops absorbing ammonia and with no/not enough bacteria to deal with it, the level just shoots up. Zeolite ties you in to changing the media regularly before it gets full for ever. The filter will never have any bacteria, just zeolite to remove ammonia. And because no ammonia eaters never grow, there is no nitrite made so no nitrite eaters ever grow either.

Zeolite can be useful in an emergency - eg the member on the old forum who went away on a business trip and left his wife tesing the tank - and she discovered ammonia. She used zeolite to keep the ammonia under control till her husband go home.
Or you want to set up a small tank to keep a fish under observation - zeolite can be used in this temporary situation, but not for a tank used for medicating a fish as it'll also absorb the med.


Sorry, rant over.






Removing the otos was a good idea to reduce the bioload - and also as they do need a larger tank, and a bigger shoal. Small tanks can't grow enough algae for a shoal.
Water changes are better than stress zyme. That is one that doesn't usually work. Bettas can be kept in unfiltered tanks provided water changes of at least 50% are done every day, and a 100% change once a week. So with a filter with not quite enough bacteria, water changes should be fine until the bacteria catch up.

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Re: New Betta
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2014, 05:33:20 PM »
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Cheers for that Sue - I'll whip the zeolite out right now. 

Bought an extra little airdriven filter to go in to add to the filtration so hopefully when things are seeded fully I won't have to do daily w/c's.

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Re: New Betta
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2014, 04:20:54 PM »
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Hi all, thought I'd give you an update...

I got quite worried over the weekend as Brynn was looking decidedly sorry for himself.  Ammonia and Nitrites were a concern and I'd had to carry out constant water changes since Friday.  He wasn't eating and because he spent most of his time resting on the bottom even his fins seemed to be suffering. 
Thankfully I think I've now got things sorted and he's looking and behaving much better.   
Because of the dodgy filtering I took out the air pumped filter and replaced it with the original powered one - with the media swapped back of course.  I've left the air stone and sponge one in place though as a nice backup.  Levels are now thankfully under control.  I'm still carrying out daily w/c's but only 2L and only as a safety net and to get him used to being mucked about.

I added a second 25w heater and between the two am managing to keep the temp at a constant 26 degrees.  (I'm sure the lowly 24 degrees I was managing with only one was contributing to his unhappiness.)

Brynn's also eating happily now - spitting the pellets out if they're not soft enough but going back later when they are.  Soaking the pellets does work to a degree but the trouble then is they sink and he has to go foraging anyway, so I might as well not bother so he at least knows the food's there. ;)

Because I'm keeping the feeding to one corner (and the filter current tends to gather it there anyway) I've swept the floor of gravel in that area so he can get to any sunken food easily.  It means I can easily monitor how much he's eating and clean up the debris too.

Anyway, some updated pics.  First up, flaring at his reflection in the mirror I pinched from herself;  the overall tank;  then the airstone-with-sponge that cost me the grand sum of £2.50...

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