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Started fishless cycle
« on: July 29, 2018, 11:04:22 AM »
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Hi, I have started the fishless cycle of my 200 LTR aquarium, I added 4ml of ammonia three days ago and ammonia ppm was around 4 - 5 , I added another 3ml of ammonia today and ppm is the same and there is no nitrite reading ? is this normal ? This is the first time I have done a fishless cycle so have nothing to compare it to   :-\ ,

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Re: Started fishless cycle
« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2018, 09:19:11 AM »
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Hooray!  :cheers:

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Re: Started fishless cycle
« Reply #41 on: August 23, 2018, 11:53:40 AM »
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It's great feeling isn't it  ;D Nitrite should start to shoot up now since 1 ppm ammonia is turned into 2.7 ppm nitrite.

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Re: Started fishless cycle
« Reply #42 on: August 24, 2018, 10:26:17 PM »
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Thank you for the replies and all the info, I do appreciate it  :) yes Matt i will try tomorrow to get a photo of my tank up. Ammonia is below 1 now and nitrites have spiked to at least 2 , i checked nitrates and they are 40 on my chart. I will add more ammonia tomorrow. I want to put some lava rock in , is this OK ? I want to attach some Java fern to the rock and put a few moss balls in, what do you think ??

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Re: Started fishless cycle
« Reply #43 on: August 24, 2018, 10:44:13 PM »
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Great to hear that your tank cycling is moving along in the right direction.  :)

It might be worth waiting until later in your cycle to add the plants, just to be on the safe side.

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Re: Started fishless cycle
« Reply #44 on: August 25, 2018, 07:40:14 AM »
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Congrats, I agree, fine to put the rock in (though the cycling process can attract algae), the high ammonia levels during cycling can dammage plants, I would advise to wait on this.

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Re: Started fishless cycle
« Reply #45 on: August 25, 2018, 09:31:38 AM »
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Some types of lava rock are calcareous, which means they'll alter the hardness and pH of the tank water. Test before putting it in the tank. If you have the API test kit, nitrate bottle #1 contains hydrochloric acid, put one drop on the rock and see if it makes tiny bubbles. If it doesn't give it a good wash under the tap and use it. If it does form bubbles, you need to decide whether you want to risk it. Or you could try leaving it in a bucket of water and test pH after a week. Also leave a sample of tap water standing alongside it and test that after a week as well. If the two are the same, the rock is not affecting the water.

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Re: Started fishless cycle
« Reply #46 on: August 25, 2018, 02:09:40 PM »
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OK, I've added the ammonia to the tank and i will test in a bit , i'll give it time to mix in. Thank you for the info about the plants and the rock, I will test it before putting it into the tank. Really pleased i joined this forum, your help is really appreciated, i feel like i'm doing things the correct way, so in the long term it is going to save me time from the mistakes i would have made  :)

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Re: Started fishless cycle
« Reply #47 on: August 27, 2018, 03:28:09 PM »
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OK, I have 0 ammonia which was a bit of a shock  :o , I have high nitrate levels , i would say around three on my chart , but could be higher. Shall i add ammonia now or wait until tomorrow ??

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Re: Started fishless cycle
« Reply #48 on: August 27, 2018, 03:35:07 PM »
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OK, I have 0 ammonia which was a bit of a shock  :o , I have high nitrate levels , i would say around three on my chart , but could be higher. Shall i add ammonia now or wait until tomorrow ??

Do you mean nitrite or nitrate at 3?

Yes, now add ammonia to give 3 ppm, and start testing every other day. You need to wait until you have zero at one test and then zero again two days later. On the day of the second zero test, add enough ammonia to get 1 ppm.


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Re: Started fishless cycle
« Reply #49 on: August 27, 2018, 03:49:30 PM »
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Yes sorry sue, i mean nitrites , i added ammonia on Saturday which brought it back up to 3 ppm. Just checked today and the ammonia is 0 and the nitrates look to be around 3. shall i wait until i get another 0 reading tomorrow or add more ammonia now to bring it back up to 3 ppm ??

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Re: Started fishless cycle
« Reply #50 on: August 27, 2018, 04:03:42 PM »
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OK just read it again, will wait and get another 0 ammonia hopefully tomorrow and then add to bring back up to 3 ppm.

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Re: Started fishless cycle
« Reply #51 on: August 27, 2018, 04:15:13 PM »
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If you added 3 ppm ammonia on Saturday, do another test of Wednesday, and if ammonia is till zero, add just 1 ppm ammonia. This is to keep the ammonia eaters fed while the nitrite eaters multiply without making so much nitrite that the cycle stalls.
Nitrite of 15 ppm inhibits the growth of the nitrite eaters. But our test kits don't go that high, and to get a realistic results by diluting tank water we would need pure water to dilute it with and very accurate measuring equipment.

In theory, you added 3 ppm ammonia to start the cycle, then 3 ppm on Saturday when ammonia dropped. 6 ppm in total. Since 1 ppm ammonia makes 2.7 ppm nitrite, that 6 ppm ammonia will turn into 12.2 16.2ppm. If you add another 3 ppm, that will make another 8 ppm nitrite which will push it well over the critical 15 ppm. It won't be quite that much because there will be a few nitrite eaters, and they will increase slowly in number, but they won't make a huge impact on the nitrite level for a while yet. So we add just 1 ppm so the ammonia eaters don't go hungry, and this should not push nitrite over 15 ppm.


Edited for terrible maths. 2.7 x 6 is 16.2 not 12.2 like I said  :-[

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Re: Started fishless cycle
« Reply #52 on: August 27, 2018, 04:43:25 PM »
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OH WoW , this is getting technical  :) Ok that's good, i'm off work Wednesday so i'll check then. Thank you  :)

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Re: Started fishless cycle
« Reply #53 on: September 04, 2018, 11:34:28 PM »
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Another week on, and i'm getting 0 ammonia results after adding 1ppm every two days. The nitrites are dropping and would say they are somewhere between 1 and 2, i will check again tomorrow before i add more ammonia, but things are definitely moving in the right direction.
The water is very clear and i noticed tonight when doing the tests that it smells like a fish tank, if you know what i mean  :), which considering i don`t have any fish in there surprised me a bit.

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Re: Started fishless cycle
« Reply #54 on: September 05, 2018, 09:13:21 AM »
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That's good news. I know that it can get frustrating just waiting. But you are almost there now  :)


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Re: Started fishless cycle
« Reply #55 on: September 05, 2018, 10:06:43 AM »
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Great to hear that your cycle is doing well.  :)

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Re: Started fishless cycle
« Reply #56 on: September 05, 2018, 10:21:01 AM »
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Good morning, I have just done tests again and ammonia is still 0, nitrites have dropped again to 0.25 and nitrates are somewhere between 10 and 20 ppm. Without looking am i right in thinking that i test again tomorrow and if still the same i add the full 3ppm and then if all is OK after 24 hours the cycle is complete.

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Re: Started fishless cycle
« Reply #57 on: September 05, 2018, 10:26:04 AM »
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Just read it again, i'll add the 3ppm today and check again tomorrow. If the nitrate level is still between 10 and 20 ppm , do i still do the big water change ??

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Re: Started fishless cycle
« Reply #58 on: September 05, 2018, 05:24:33 PM »
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Remind me, did you use any bicarb? I know we discussed it. If you did then when you get the double zeros 24 hours after adding ammonia, you will need to do a big water change to remove the bicarb. And the nearr you can get nitrate to you tap level, the better.

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Re: Started fishless cycle
« Reply #59 on: September 05, 2018, 06:33:22 PM »
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Yes, i did use bicarb, so will do a big water change. Is it OK to clean the substrate as well ??

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