Do I Need To Have Surface Agitation For Oxygenation.

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Offline Richard W

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Re: Do I need to have surface agitation for oxygenation.
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2016, 05:28:48 PM »
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Amazon frogbit generally has rounded leaves that lie flat on the water surface, almost like giant duckweed. True water lettuce (Pistia stratiotes) leaves are raised up slightly above the water surface and slightly more triangular. There is also Salvia natans which is generally smaller. The frogbit (Limnobium laevigatum) is the only one I have that has survived and thrived long term in my tanks. You can see them all on the Tropica aquarium plants web site in the "easy" section.

If you can get a picture, it might be possible to tell which you have.

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Re: Do I need to have surface agitation for oxygenation.
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2016, 05:39:09 PM »
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Hi Fiona.
I took a bit of each out of the tanks. The "frogbit" is on the left and the "water lettuce" is on the right.
Apart from size, leaf thickness etc., you could also have a look at the roots. My frogbit seems to have long, stringy roots, and the water lettuce has branched, feathery roots.
Not sure how much this helps.
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Re: Do I need to have surface agitation for oxygenation.
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2016, 05:47:25 PM »
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What I have is on the right in your piccy, thankee it did help  :) Guess I need to find some real frogbit now. I've attached a pic of mine, as you can see the plants arent looking too happy. The yellow you see on the edges of some leaves eventually spreads and the leaves rot off.

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Re: Do I need to have surface agitation for oxygenation.
« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2016, 06:06:07 PM »
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None of these look like the true water lettuce which is at least as big as the frogbit, if not quite a bit bigger. I had lots of it in my young fishkeeping days when it was the only floating plant generally available. The small one might possibly be Salvinia natans.

Again, the perils of using English names ................

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Re: Do I need to have surface agitation for oxygenation.
« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2016, 06:08:27 PM »
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I can understand why you were having trouble with the water movement. The water lettuce I have has only really started growing since I moved some into the snail tank and the rest into the betta tank. Whereas the frogbit has grown in the puffer, tiger barb and temperate tanks.

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« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2016, 06:30:00 PM »
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The plants were considerably bigger when I first had them Richard, the outer leaves rotted off and the smaller plants were connected to the larger by a threadlike stem but they all broke off too.

Well I've found some true amazonian frogbit on amazon ironically, so that'll arrive next week. Shame I can't use our native frogbit, I have tons of that starting to grow again in the pond.

Thanks for all the help folks :)

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Re: Do I need to have surface agitation for oxygenation.
« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2016, 06:35:49 PM »
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Look at the pictures on Tropica aquarium plants, you'll see what real water lettuce looks like :

http://tropica.com/en/plants/plantdetails/Pistiastratiotes(128PL)/4570

The big photo with leaves poking up shows what I used to have, although the site says that it makes flat rosettes in an aquarium, leaves always stand up above the water to some extent.

Nothing like anything in the photos put on here.

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Re: Do I need to have surface agitation for oxygenation.
« Reply #27 on: April 10, 2016, 06:50:07 PM »
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I've seen that for sale and it looks nothing like mine. There are water lettuce described as a dwarf variety. However I've just found this on a website: "Growth depends upon conditions. The so-called ‘Dwarf’ Pistia stratiotes is not a distinct species but simply due to less-than-ideal conditions of light and nutrients. Dry, curling ends of leaves are typically due to low water vapor. Also it is badly affected by drops of water formed by condensation on the lid of the tank."

So I'm guessing mine is stunted from less than ideal conditions

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Re: Do I need to have surface agitation for oxygenation.
« Reply #28 on: April 10, 2016, 07:03:58 PM »
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It looks very pretty with the leaves sticking up.
I guess part of the problem is buying stuff of amazon, ebay, etc., where (as you say) English/common names are used, with no reference to the latin.
So far I'm just generally high-fiving myself to get anything to grow in tanks where I've always used artificial plants and concentrated on the fish. Even my bunched plants that I just stuck in the sand have started to root.
I'm seriously considering actually planting my 125L, now I've upgraded the axolotls and before I move the tiger barbs in.
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Re: Do I need to have surface agitation for oxygenation.
« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2016, 07:41:45 PM »
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Fiona, I'm sure yours isn't water lettuce. The true water lettuce does suffer from dried out leaves, because they stick up above water level. I think it used to do better when we had different lights which were further from the top of the water. With most tanks these days there is very little gap between the tubes and the water surface which means that the leaves are very close to the hot tubes. Maybe it's a plant that would do better with LEDs which give off very little heat.

Looking at the pictures on the Tropica site you can see how it gets its name, the sticking up leaves do look a little like a lettuce, whereas those plants with leaves flat on the surface look nothing like any lettuce I've ever seen!

I don't think the LFS shops are any better than EBay etc for getting the names correct.

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Re: Do I need to have surface agitation for oxygenation.
« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2016, 08:21:16 PM »
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Fiona, I'm sure yours isn't water lettuce. I don't think the LFS shops are any better than EBay etc for getting the names correct.

I guess we can only hypothesise Richard, you've grown water lettuce and don't recognise my plant as such, however I've found evidence to suggest it may indeed be 'stunted' water lettuce which is barely surviving in my tank and therefore not growing into a lettuce.

I will be giving up on the blasted stuff and I might try and get a refund while I'mm at it. What we all agree on is that it isn't amazonian frogbit.

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