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Re: Restarting tank
« Reply #40 on: February 09, 2018, 03:23:24 PM »
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Patience is not my strong point, and tank cycling is the thing that that frustrates me the most.

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Re: Restarting tank
« Reply #41 on: February 09, 2018, 07:16:42 PM »
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Patience is not my strong point, and tank cycling is the thing that that frustrates me the most.

I think it is the lack of progress sometimes. The ammonia bacteria seem to be working and so are some nitrites but they don't seem to be multiplying, seems the same results over the last 6 days.

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Re: Restarting tank
« Reply #42 on: February 10, 2018, 04:12:04 PM »
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Well as expected ammonia and nitrite down to zero so more ammonia added. Think I will have to give the nitrite bacteria the sack if they don't improve soon!!! ;D

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Re: Restarting tank
« Reply #43 on: February 10, 2018, 04:31:27 PM »
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Try giving them a stern talking to, that might help.  ;)

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Re: Restarting tank
« Reply #44 on: February 11, 2018, 03:09:09 PM »
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Ok, rather concerned today as Nitrite is 1.76ppm which is an increase from previous tests and cant understand why as would have thought they would have multiplied to some degree.

Any thoughts?

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Re: Restarting tank
« Reply #45 on: February 11, 2018, 03:58:54 PM »
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Have you added any more ammonia in the last couple of days?

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Re: Restarting tank
« Reply #46 on: February 11, 2018, 04:03:27 PM »
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Hi Sue

These are my readings from last Sunday

Sun 0.25 ammonia (added 3ppm)
Mon 0.33 ammonia 1.56 Nitrite
Tues 0 ammonia 0.11 Nitrite (added 3ppm)
Wed 0.55 ammonia 1.5 nitrite
Thur 0.2 ammonia 0.1 nitrite (added 3ppm)
Fri 0.15 ammonia 1.42 nitrite
Sat 0.08 ammonia 0.11 nitrite (added 3ppm)
Today 0.43 ammonia 1.77 nitrite

Does that give you any clues?

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Re: Restarting tank
« Reply #47 on: February 11, 2018, 04:34:20 PM »
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Ah, you did add ammonia. That explains the increase in nitrite.

You added 3 ppm ammonia , added to the 0.08 which was already there, and you have 0.43 ppm left after 24 hours. That is, 2.65 ppm ammonia have been converted into nitrite, and that amount of ammonia makes 7.1 ppm nitrite. You have enough nitrite eaters to drop the nitrite level from 7.21 (the amount made plus what was already there) to 1.77 in 24 hours.

You just need to grow a few more.

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Re: Restarting tank
« Reply #48 on: February 11, 2018, 04:41:50 PM »
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Ah, you did add ammonia. That explains the increase in nitrite.

You added 3 ppm ammonia , added to the 0.08 which was already there, and you have 0.43 ppm left after 24 hours. That is, 2.65 ppm ammonia have been converted into nitrite, and that amount of ammonia makes 7.1 ppm nitrite. You have enough nitrite eaters to drop the nitrite level from 7.21 (the amount made plus what was already there) to 1.77 in 24 hours.

You just need to grow a few more.

Ok, slightly confused. On Thursday I had 0.2 ammonia and added 3ppm ammonia which after 24 hours nitrite had dropped to 1.42. So why, after adding 3ppm ammonia to .08 ammonia, has the nitrite eaters should have brought nitrite down to 1.42ppm at least instead of 1.77ppm as seems to me I have lost some nitrite eaters?

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Re: Restarting tank
« Reply #49 on: February 11, 2018, 04:54:18 PM »
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The trouble is that our test kits are not totally accurate. It is very difficult to get the volume of test water exactly the same every time, and drop sizes can also vary. And the dose of ammonia could also be slightly different every time.
If you were just using the colour charts by eye, the zero colour would be a definite blue, but any amount of nitrite up to 0.25 would just look pale purple. If you were just measuring nitrite by eye, all these readings would look the same. It's only because you are using a colorimeter that you can see such tiny differences. It is quite likely that the rest of us have the same thing happen, it's just that we can't tell with a test kit read by eye.

I would just wait a bit longer. On average it takes at least twice as long to grow enough nitrite eaters as it does ammonia eaters. You may have had some ammonia eaters survive since the tank last had water, but not as many nitrite eaters survive.

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Re: Restarting tank
« Reply #50 on: February 11, 2018, 07:50:50 PM »
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Thanks Sue

Just getting a little frustrated I suppose. Not in a great rush for fish but would be good to start soon whilst other tank cycles.
Oh well, add more ammonia tomorrow and see what happens.

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Re: Restarting tank
« Reply #51 on: February 13, 2018, 03:02:24 PM »
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Test every day until the day ammonia is below 0.25 and nitrite is below 1.0. Then add another 3 ppm ammonia and continue testing every day. Continue like this till they are both zero 24 hours after adding ammonia.

So Nitrite is 0.93ppm today. But ammonia is showing 0.37ppm. Should I add ammonia or wait till it drops below 0.25. Visually I would say ammonia looks like 0.25ppm if that helps.

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Re: Restarting tank
« Reply #52 on: February 13, 2018, 04:07:16 PM »
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If it was my tank I would wait till tomorrow just to give those nitrite eaters and extra day  :)

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Re: Restarting tank
« Reply #53 on: February 13, 2018, 07:09:22 PM »
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Being slightly impatient I tested again now, Nitrite down to 0.33ppm and ammonia 0.37ppm. Would you still wait or would you top ammonia back to 3ppm?

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Re: Restarting tank
« Reply #54 on: February 13, 2018, 07:10:18 PM »
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With those readings, add it now  :)

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Re: Restarting tank
« Reply #55 on: February 13, 2018, 07:14:06 PM »
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With those readings, add it now  :)

Ok, topped back to 3ppm and will test this time tomorrow.

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Re: Restarting tank
« Reply #56 on: February 14, 2018, 07:19:45 PM »
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Well now i am very puzzled.

Tested for Nitrites and zero reading. Yippee I thought.

Then tested for Ammonia and for some reason I have 1.27ppm? Any ideas? I did leave the top off of ammonia test 1, could that of caused this problem? Any other ideas?

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Re: Restarting tank
« Reply #57 on: February 14, 2018, 07:30:06 PM »
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Did you repeat the test? All sorts of things can give false readings - miscounting drops, tube not as clean as it should be etc.
I wouldn't have thought leaving the top of a bottle for such a short time (I assume it was 24 hours?) shouldn't do too much harm.

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Re: Restarting tank
« Reply #58 on: February 14, 2018, 07:30:48 PM »
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Yes, did a second test and got same result. Maybe a third test?

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Re: Restarting tank
« Reply #59 on: February 14, 2018, 07:37:54 PM »
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If 2 gave the same result, I don't think a third is necessary. Even if it was different, you would still have 2 out of 3 the same.

I would wait till tomorrow, see what the results are then and if ammonia has dropped, add another 3 ppm. But this time, test the tank water after half an hour to see if the reading is 3 ppm. If it's higher, that will show something wrong with the tester.

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