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Offline HalfY

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Looking for advice on a new filter
« on: November 21, 2016, 02:36:55 PM »
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Hi Everyone!

So I got into tropical fish keeping with my first tank back in April, and its been a great experience trying to keep the fish and plants healthy and growing. I made a post when I first started and the posters here really helped me out during this starting period :)

I have a 200 litre Aquael tank and the internal filter seems to be on its way out and tbh a nightmare to clean each month.

I have been looking around at new filters and see a few articles which recommend an external filter for my tank size.

Was wandering if anyone here could provide some advice on a good filter for my tank?

happy to provide any additional info you may need, and as a fyi budget is around £100


Edit: This is one I'm currently considering as its within budget and has decent reviews

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fluval-External-Filter-aquariums-300L/dp/B005QRDDWY/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

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Re: Looking for advice on a new filter
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2016, 02:46:29 PM »
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Whilst externals are undoubtedly better for 200 litre tanks, there are a couple of good internals that would do. These are the largest size of both Fluval U series and Eheim Biopower. You could get two internals under your price limit.

An external doesn't have to be new, second hand ones can be picked up on Ebay, though with used filters it would be a good investment to replace the seals with new ones.
Bear in mind that with the majority of externals the flow rate quoted by the manufacturer is without media inside the filter. As soon as you put the media in, the flow rate drops and this can be quite a lot in some brands. The exception is Eheim, which quotes flow rates with media in the filter.
As I only have internals I'll have to leave it to external owners to recommend a model  :)

When you do change filters, just put all the media in your current filter into the new one. Sponges can be cut up to make them fit. This will preserve all the bacteria in your current media.

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Re: Looking for advice on a new filter
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2016, 03:30:52 PM »
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thanks for the reply Sue! helpful as usual!

yeah the internal one I have is doing the job fine I suppose, although the output flow has reduced a lot recently even after some extensive cleans and its just an absolute nightmare to clean without of the debris/dirt floating away in the tank or having that water spills across the floor :-\

we also got an internal UV filter to help with green water syndrome, so it'd be nice to potentially have more room for plants 

When you do change filters, just put all the media in your current filter into the new one. Sponges can be cut up to make them fit. This will preserve all the bacteria in your current media.

Thanks for this!! This was one concern I had with getting a new filter last thing I want to do is go through another cycling round

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Re: Looking for advice on a new filter
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2016, 06:25:17 PM »
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How about this: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Eden-External-Aquarium-Filter-521-200w/dp/B00F93OQ9Y

It's what I plan to use in my 140litre whenever the negotiations are complete in my household as to when we should upgrade the tank (bit like climate change talks here at the moment...)

It has an integrated heater so no need to have this extra piece of kit in the tank

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Re: Looking for advice on a new filter
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2016, 06:30:23 PM »
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@HalfY I tend towards the All pond solution externals and used the 2000l/hr on a 200l tank. Don't bother with the UV option as the output is just to low to do much good. They come with a reasnable amount of media but you will easily be able to get your current media into the baskets as well.
They will also be well under your budget so you could consider the prefilter as well, this prevents all the larger particles from reaching and clogging your biological media.
You will see them sold as SunSun in the US and Boyu in Europe, Chinese produced of course but I have had one for two years and have just bought a second for a new tank

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Re: Looking for advice on a new filter
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2016, 10:16:36 AM »
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@Andy the minion

Thanks! These All Pond Solution filters look good and much cheaper than the Fluval ones!

Would you definitely stray away from the UV ones?

Its just I had a huge problem with green water a few months ago, trying everything to get rid of it, the only solution I found was a cheap little UV fiter I bought from amazon and its done absolutely wonders for my tank.

Although the water is still a slight tint of green, I can see the back of the tank now  lol.

tbh I woudn't mind doubling up on the UV if possible so was considering this one:

https://www.allpondsolutions.co.uk/aquarium/filters/external/1000lh-9w-uv-1000ef-plus/


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Re: Looking for advice on a new filter
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2016, 12:20:35 PM »
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@HalfY Maybe I was too catagoric with the rejection of the in filter UV. At these flow rates and UV output they are very unlikely to operate as a steriliser but may do a partial job as a clarifier. A UV system is not realy a solution for green water, the cause is nutrient and light levels and so the fix is a mixture of all three. A double dose of UV will probably improve the issue if you do nothing else but its better to adress the issue in the longer term
I think I  would go with the larger filter version and prefilter (remember they don't actually deliver the stated flow rates when they are fitted and full of media) and stay with the existing inline UV The additional filtration may  also improve the issue

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Re: Looking for advice on a new filter
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2016, 03:30:08 PM »
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@Andy the minion

Thanks, decided to just go with the external filter on its own for now and see how I get on.

looks like it'll arrive tomorrow :)

exciting!

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Re: Looking for advice on a new filter
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2016, 11:56:12 AM »
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Just wanted to provide an update :)

Had the new filter set up since Monday, and it was super easy to set up and get going. Its incredibly silent too! Had a few questions which the customer service team answered quickly and were spot on answers too. thanks for the recommendations @Andy the minion

Opted to run both my old internal and the new external at the same time for now, until the new filter is fully establish in a few weeks time. I want to keep the old internal filter fully intact in case its need for an emergency (or for a new tank :D)

Only annoying thing was the filter went down by £14 in the cyber monday sales lol


Also looks like we have pregnant guppies!!!


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Re: Looking for advice on a new filter
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2016, 10:22:43 PM »
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Great to hear your update and the positive experience you've had.

Typical re the filter price reduction - keep a list of things you want/need, avail of a sale next time round, and it might consequently reduce the 'sting' a little. :)

Congrats on the pregnancies.
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Re: Looking for advice on a new filter
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2016, 12:10:09 AM »
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@HalfY Ditto that. I had a day off on Thursday and finished setting up a planted 300litre. Its fitted with two All Pond Solutions, prefilters, inline UV and inline yeast CO2 injection. It may sound like a lot of water flow but the spray bars are hidden and directed sensibly so there is just the slightest movement of plants. The advantage is an additional 50litres of water and a really relaxed bio load.
Make sure your media doesn't get too clogged, it will be hidden from sight so check the filter pads regularly until you get a feel for the servicing interval the filter will need with your fish and plant load. I use a very accurate NO3 measurement and check the weekly increase before a water change (so a measurement before and after the change) and in the absence of any other big minion-made changes this is now my indicator that the muck is building up.

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Re: Looking for advice on a new filter
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2016, 09:51:59 AM »
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Oh, the joy of having a day off work to finish setting up a tank. It's something that I like to do as well.
@Andy the minion I agree with the "before and day after water change" testing to get an idea of how the tank is working. It doesn't have to be forever, but it provide a lot of useful information, and is also useful if big changes are made to the tank (lots more plants added, etc.).
@HalfY it's always worth having a spare filter for so many reasons.
Many congratulations to you and your guppies.  :cheers:  I look forward to hearing updates and hopefully seeing some pictures of tiny blobs of adorableness in the future.  :)

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Re: Looking for advice on a new filter
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2016, 12:19:10 PM »
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@Andy the minion thanks for the further advice. So this is the first time I'm using activated carbon in my system,  and just wanted to double check whether you use this in your set up with plants? Or if anyone else does or strictly does not?

Been looking around the net and seen some people recommending that you dont use AC with plant fertilisers,  is this wise advice?

currently been using the Easy Life Pro Fito for my plants, and its generally been working wonders along with the Easy Life Liquid CO2.

Also, this is the first time using ceramic rings in the filter setup, but my understanding is its just another breeding ground for bacteria.


Update on the pregnant guppies:

One of them has given birth, as we've seen 3 guppy fry's swimming around the tank!! Another one of the females looks like she will be close to giving birth soon.
We didn't bother going with a separate breeding container/net, as we read that the average spawn is anywhere between 30-50 fry (sometimes 100+). With our tank getting close the max capacity, we'd have to get a new tank for all the babies!

So going with a survival of the fittest approach for now, but hopefully we'll need a new tank :)

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« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2016, 03:34:05 PM »
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I admit that my plants are strictly low tech - slow growing plants that don't need special lights, CO2 etc - though I do use Seachem Flourish (comprehensive). I don't run carbon and haven't for years. The main uses for carbon are removing the brown colour from wood and removing medication after treatment has finished.

Carbon adsorbs organic chemicals - that is things that contain carbon, except carbonates. If the minerals in the fertiliser are bound to organic chemicals, than carbon will adsorb them. For example, most dechorinators bind metals using the organic chemical EDTA. Carbon will adsorb the metal-EDTA complex. This is the most likely route for carbon removing trace metals in fertiliser.
I've been looking for the ingredients of EasyCarbo but all I can find is someone saying that someone else said it is the same ingredient as Flourish Excel. If this is true, it contains glutaraldehyde, another organic chemical that will probably be adsorbed by carbon.
And don't forget that carbon becomes full and stops working in anything from a few days to a few weeks. This is why carbon is just about the only filter medium that does need changing regularly. (Filter floss does as well but only because it falls apart if you wash it)

Ceramic rings are indeed a good home for the bacteria.



You could always take the carbon out and keep some in the cupboard just in case. I know that a lot of people with externals use the space where the carbon should go to keep media for an internal filter so it is always ready if they need to set up a hospital or quarantine tank.

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Re: Looking for advice on a new filter
« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2016, 09:19:04 AM »
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Thanks @Sue!!!

Think I will remove the carbon from the filter, as the driftwood in our tank has been there well over 4 months now so most of the tannins are gone and no current meds in there
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I know that a lot of people with externals use the space where the carbon should go to keep media for an internal filter so it is always ready if they need to set up a hospital or quarantine tank.
- I will definitely be doing this though!!!!

I was thinking once I take my internal filter out the media sponge will  dry out eventually and will lose the bacteria, but this is a fantastic solution!  ;D


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Re: Looking for advice on a new filter
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2016, 04:47:50 PM »
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Just a little update on the guppies.

We now have 11 fry swimming happily in the tank. One mother gave birth to 5 fry which have grown considerably in a week, two of which have already developed dark colored patches and will probably be males according to some of the articles I've read.

and the other day another another mother gave birth to 6 fry

We still have 2 more pregnant females in the tank, one of which looks like she could pop anytime soon.

May have to ask santa for a new tank lol

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Re: Looking for advice on a new filter
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2016, 04:55:37 PM »
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How exciting.  ;D
It's lovely to see the little ones swimming around in the tank. So cute.
I often find that another tank is the answer to most things.  ;D

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« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2016, 05:03:23 PM »
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Look at the anal fin of the fry - that's the one underneath just in front of the tail. All fry have a fan shaped anal fin until puberty. Then in males it starts to change into a gonopodium. The first ray of the fin will start to elongate, then the rest of the fin will start to shrink. If you want to separate the male fry before they can impregnate both the adults females and the female fry, take them out as soon as that first ray starts to elongate.

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