Fishless Cycling Problem

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Re: Fishless cycling problem
« Reply #240 on: March 16, 2017, 04:27:32 PM »
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Since you don't have live plants you can have the lights on for as long or as little as you like - but too long and algae will grow.

Try to have the on period at the same time every day. If you haven't already got one, a time switch is very useful.

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Re: Fishless cycling problem
« Reply #241 on: March 16, 2017, 06:29:35 PM »
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I can empathise with the rasbora who doesn't like light as my tetras developed an irrational fear of light, resulting in me not having the light on for 18 months until I "bit the bullet" eventually round about the time I decided to try live plants. If it's any consolation, they did eventually get used to it with some perseverance on my part.

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Re: Fishless cycling problem
« Reply #242 on: March 16, 2017, 07:16:33 PM »
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I can empathise with the rasbora who doesn't like light as my tetras developed an irrational fear of light, resulting in me not having the light on for 18 months until I "bit the bullet" eventually round about the time I decided to try live plants. If it's any consolation, they did eventually get used to it with some perseverance on my part.

He is the only one who seems affected by it, the others, including the new additions, seem happy. The Cherry Barbs I added today are well hidden, but I take it it is due to moving in today.

Checked water just now and all seems ok. Will check in morning and evening for a couple of days though.

One question I have about feeding. The rasboras seem to know when it is food time and hover near top of tank. I am slightly worried any fish further down might not get any food. Any thoughts/ideas?

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Re: Fishless cycling problem
« Reply #243 on: March 16, 2017, 07:26:16 PM »
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I found that cherry barbs fed from the bottom of the tank as well as food floating in the water. One way to make sure they all get some is to split the food in two. Put one half straight into the tank, this will float and the upper feeders will get most of it. Pu the other half in a small pot of water, leave it for a couple of minutes till it is completely soaked and sinks to the bottom of the tub then pour it all into the tank. Add both lots of food at the same time. The harlequins will be busy trying to catch the floating food while the presoaked food sinks quickly giving the barbs chance to get some.



Empty yoghurt pots, cheesecake tubs etc are useful for all sorts of things, make sure you wash them clean with plenty of water before using them.

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Re: Fishless cycling problem
« Reply #244 on: March 17, 2017, 10:16:48 AM »
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Lost my light hating rasbora overnight. Other fish seem great, although the barbs are still hiding away.

My ammonia and nitrites are zero, and nitrates at 4ppm. I am wondering if my two failed fishless cycles may be helping keep the ammonia and nitrites at low levels. Do you think that is possible? And should nitrates keep going up as mine seem to stay around 4ppm?

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Re: Fishless cycling problem
« Reply #245 on: March 17, 2017, 02:27:51 PM »
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It is quite possible you did grow a lot of bacteria, but your results were so odd that we can't say just how many you grew. It looks as though you had enough for at least the number of fish you have now.

Nitrate does go up but you have only a few fish so the filter bacteria don't have much ammonia to turn into nitrate. As you get more fish you should see more nitrate.

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Re: Fishless cycling problem
« Reply #246 on: March 17, 2017, 04:39:27 PM »
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Thanks Sue

Will keep checking twice a day for a couple of days and if all ok will go back to one test a day.

Got my plastic lillies today and they make quite a difference. Hopefully the Cherry Barbs will feel easier in the tank. I only have 3 at the moment, will get more in a few days but could this be causing their shyness? They seem ok around the Rasboras, but if I am near tank they go and hide.

Funnily I think the rasboras know when I am trying to count them as they shoot around the tank and I have to start counting again.

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Re: Fishless cycling problem
« Reply #247 on: March 17, 2017, 05:10:10 PM »
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Besides the lilies, what other decor do you have in the tank?

Fish can be shy when you first get them, it can take a while for them to settle in and become confident.
When there aren't enough of them, they are also skittish. I know in your case that there will be more of them so they will probably settle down then, if not before.
Fish are also skittish if they have nowhere to hide, which is why I asked about decor. It sounds backwards but the more places there are to hide, the more you will see the fish. Just knowing that there is somewhere to run to makes them more confident.

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Re: Fishless cycling problem
« Reply #248 on: March 17, 2017, 06:25:10 PM »
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Well here is a picture of tank, I think it has enough hiding places in it.

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Re: Fishless cycling problem
« Reply #249 on: March 17, 2017, 07:35:11 PM »
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That looks nice  :) Plenty of hiding places for the fish.

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Re: Fishless cycling problem
« Reply #250 on: March 18, 2017, 12:51:07 PM »
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Looks like i have lost 1 of the Cherry Barbs as can't find it anywhere. Either they are hiding very well or it has died as was struggling last night. Readings still zero and nitrates slightly higher so all looking good otherwise.

Update i might have lost 2 of the cherry barbs only got the bright red one i can see in tank.

Update 1 of the missing has shown his face, that's good.

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Re: Fishless cycling problem
« Reply #251 on: March 18, 2017, 10:18:28 PM »
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Keeping my fingers crossed for you   :-\

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Re: Fishless cycling problem
« Reply #252 on: March 18, 2017, 10:29:12 PM »
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Keeping my fingers crossed for you   :-\

Thanks. One is gone, the other two are very nervous and hide all the time. Hopefully when i get some more they might settle down. The 7 Rasbora's seem happy enough and when the barbs are around they swim with them.

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Re: Fishless cycling problem
« Reply #253 on: March 19, 2017, 09:27:31 AM »
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Sorry to hear about your losses.  :(
I hope that things in your tank settle down soon.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you too.

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Re: Fishless cycling problem
« Reply #254 on: March 19, 2017, 11:11:10 AM »
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Sorry to hear about your losses.  :(
I hope that things in your tank settle down soon.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed for you too.

My tank seems fine, ammonia and nitrite always seem zero and nitrates are around 4ppm so I am thinking it is just the odd fish I get just doesn't make it. Maybe it is how I add them to tank but think I am doing it right. I put unopened bag in tank for 10 minutes, then open it and put a little of my tank water in and wait another 10, then more water and another wait of 10. And finally check temperature is nearly the same, and either catch fish in net or empty them out into net and quickly into tank.

Is that the right thing to do or is there something different I can/should do?

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Re: Fishless cycling problem
« Reply #255 on: March 19, 2017, 11:29:50 AM »
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There are two schools of thought about acclimatising fish.
The most usual is along the lines you do, but more so. Let the bag sit in the tank for 10 mins to warm, then add a bit of tank water every 15 mins until there is twice as much water as when you started. Then net the fish out of the bag so as little as possible shop water gets into the tank.
A variant of this method is used for very delicate fish. Empty the bag with water and fish into a bucket. Set up an air line tube to siphon water out of the tank and into the bucket, tying a knot in the tube to adjust the flow of water to 1 drop every few seconds. Run this until the water has doubled in volume. This method takes a long time so the bucket needs to be heated.

The other school of thought was expressed by a member on here, I've forgotten who  :-[ . This member said that it takes well over a day for fish to adjust so adding water to the bag for an hour or two does nothing to acclimatise the fish so you may as well just put the fish straight in the tank.


I prefer to err on the side of caution and add a bit of water every 15 mins till there is double the amount of water in the bag.

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Re: Fishless cycling problem
« Reply #256 on: March 19, 2017, 04:38:28 PM »
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Checked today and ammonia and nitrite zero, nitrate upto 5ppm which is good. Did a 20% water change but what fun the fish seem to have. When I put the siphon in to empty the water and clean the sand they love to get close to it and see what is going on. Then when I put water back, instead of staying away from the bubbles cause by pouring the water in, they get close. One did get caught in a stream of bubbles, went off in a huff I think.

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Re: Fishless cycling problem
« Reply #257 on: March 19, 2017, 04:41:36 PM »
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That's one problem with nosey fish - making sure they don't get sucked up when cleaning the tank. Been there, done that .........

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Re: Fishless cycling problem
« Reply #258 on: March 19, 2017, 09:05:35 PM »
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Ok, can anyone help. As I said yesterday seemed to have lost one of my cherry barbs, but today it seems I have lost a second. Also a harlequin was struggling earlier and now I cant find him either. Water is perfect, zero ammonia and nitrite and low nitrates. Am I doing anything wrong or does this happen with a fish in cycle?

Have read about a sickly barb and Seachem Paraguard was suggested. Will look to see if parasites affect Rasbora's but could this be useful?

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Re: Fishless cycling problem
« Reply #259 on: March 19, 2017, 10:38:03 PM »
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To me, in light of the number of fatalities, it seems that there is something not quite right and which needs addressed but I'm not entirely sure what to advise.

However, I have also read a number of extremely positive reports about Seachem Paraguard lately, and, looking at details of the product, I'd be inclined to give it a try. Before you do so, though, how many fish are displaying strange symptoms?


 


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