Chris's Fishless Cycle

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Offline chrisp

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Re: Chris's Fishless Cycle
« Reply #40 on: March 31, 2013, 12:15:35 PM »
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Thanks col

And yeah sue, I bet it be the exact same all the way  :D but I'm not going to do as much water changes, just hope that doesn't affect it too much



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Re: Chris's Fishless Cycle
« Reply #41 on: March 31, 2013, 12:20:17 PM »
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On average, it takes twice as long to see a drop in nitrite as it does for ammonia. I hit zero ammonia on day 14, ie 13 days after starting the cycle, so I'm expecting 26 days for nitrite to drop, ie day 40. I'm currently on day 21, so another 3-ish weeks yet.

In order to start growing nitrite-eaters, we need a source of nitrites in the tank.  Now, during a fishless cycle we can't even begin until day 12 or so when the ammonia-eaters have started doing their thing.  This is 12 days wasted.  What if, in addition to ammonia, we added a source of nitrites on day 1.  This would cut down our fishless cycle by 12 days or so.

Is this theory even remotely possible?  Or am I just delusional?

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Re: Chris's Fishless Cycle
« Reply #42 on: March 31, 2013, 02:13:54 PM »
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That would be a quicker way to do it. The problem is laying your hands on sodium/potassium/whatever nitrite. Anyone know where to get it from?

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Re: Chris's Fishless Cycle
« Reply #43 on: March 31, 2013, 10:27:47 PM »
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eBay of course! :)

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Re: Chris's Fishless Cycle
« Reply #44 on: April 01, 2013, 01:22:22 PM »
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Oooh! You can get anything on ebay!!


Assuming the sodium nitrite on there is anhydrous (a lot of salts have water of crystalisation in the crystals, which throws the calculation out), for every 10 litres of tank water you would need to add 13.7mg sodium nitrite for 1ppm. That is an impossible amount to measure in the home so you'd have to make a concentrated solution and add a tiny amount of that. For example, dissolve 13.7g in 1 litre of tapwater and use 1ml of that solution per 10 litres tank water for 1ppm.

But the majority of items in the link are for curing bacon. They are common salt with a tiny amount of sodium nitrite added.
There is one item that comes up as pure sodium nitrite, this one, which says it is reagent grade sodium nitrite. This would be the one to use, if you don't mind spending £13.50 - though the seller does say you can ask for different amounts.



If anyone wants to try this, you would add sodium nitrite on day 1 along with the first dose of ammonia. Since the nitrite eaters are reputed to be slower growing than the ammonia eaters, the ammonia level would proabably drop to zero before the nitrite level did. Then the ammonia eaters would be making nitrite so the chances are you would only have to add the one dose on day 1. But the nitrite eaters would start growing on day 1 rather than have to wait till day 13 as in my cycle.



Edit: in the bacon curing salt, sodium nitrite is E250 (potassium nitrite is E249). They are preservatives.

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Re: Chris's Fishless Cycle
« Reply #45 on: April 02, 2013, 10:28:42 AM »
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Day 15

Ammonia 1ppm

Day 16

Ammonia 1ppm

Day 17

Will test later

- how aint my ammonia going down when it clearly was on day 13. Will test later to see if it has lowered

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Re: Chris's Fishless Cycle
« Reply #46 on: April 02, 2013, 11:08:20 AM »
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Have you checked your pH? If it's dropped to around 6.5 or below, the cycle will stall.

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Re: Chris's Fishless Cycle
« Reply #47 on: April 02, 2013, 06:31:01 PM »
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day 17

ammonia 1ppm

ph 7.4-7.6

even when it did drop on day 13-14 i tested for nitrite and it came to 0

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Re: Chris's Fishless Cycle
« Reply #48 on: April 03, 2013, 10:36:45 AM »
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I can only think there is something about your tapwater that is making your progress slower than mine.

Is your water company better than mine at killing bacteria in the water supply?
Your hardness is about half my level (you gave yours as 2.9 and mine is 7 German degrees). I do know that these bacteria grow best in hard alkaline water. Mine's a bit on the low side, but yours is even lower.
What is the temperature of your tank? The optimum is 30 deg C, that's what mine is at.


If you put some limstone or coral or shell into your tank, it would slowly increase both GH and KH, though it may not do it quickly enough to help your cycle.




PS - did you check your pH?

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Re: Chris's Fishless Cycle
« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2013, 09:23:25 PM »
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How's your cycle going Chrisp?

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