Am I Cycling Please

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Offline Sue

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Re: Am I cycling please
« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2015, 12:36:20 PM »
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Yes you are  ;)

It's just a question of patience now. Test every 2 days and wait till you have zero ammonia then zero again 2 days later. On the day of the second zero, add a 1ppm dose of ammonia.

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Re: Am I cycling please
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2015, 01:22:57 PM »
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Yay....... :rotfl:   :fishy1:

Thank you very much Sandra

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Re: Am I cycling please
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2015, 09:20:15 AM »
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More advice please as I am so concerned about getting this wrong and delaying it again.

UPDATE:
POSTED ON 23rd Jan[/b]
Emptied tank completely, bare trace of ammonia left
Filled with new dechlorinated water.
Put in ammonia 3pp

21st Jan
Ammonia    still 3
Nitrite             5
Nitrate           50?

23rd Jan (today)
Ammonia    slightly less than 2
Nitrite         between 0 - .25
Nitrate        between 25 - 50

It looks to me as if it's moving in the right direction?

Please tell me I'm right !!!!

Sue, you kindly replied to this. Could I please ask for your help again based on the following

Sunday 25th Jan
Ammonia       0.2
Nitrite              .25
Nitrate          towards 100

Monday 26th Jan
Left the tank alone

Tuesday 27th Jan
Ammonia       0
Nitrite            0
Nitrate           50-100

Weds 28th Jan
Ammonia         0
Nitrite              0
Nitrate             50
ADDED 1 ml of AMMONIA

Thursday left tank alone

Friday 30th Jan
Ammonia          .05 ish (less than 1 anyway)
Nitrite                 0
Nitrate              100 +
ADDED FULL DOSE OF 3ml and tested at 3ppm

Saturday 31st Jan
Ammonia          2.0
Nitrite               1.0 (ish)
Nitrite               100-250 (high anyway)

Changed 2.5 litres of water using Tapsafe
Reading after was
Ammonia           1.0+
Nitrite                0.5
Nitrate               50 - 100

Sunday 1st Feb
Left tank alone

Monday 2nd Feb
Ammonia     barest trace (nowhere near 0.2)
Nitrite          0
Nitrate         50

I am now flummoxed as I don't know what to do next or where I am in the cycle
I HATE NUMBERS!!!!! and especially DECIMAL POINTS  :'(

Any help much appreciated

As a PS I forgot to add that both KH and PH are dropping.
KH was 6-10 on Saturday nw  3-6
PH was 7.6 + on Saturday now 6.8 -7.2

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Re: Am I cycling please
« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2015, 12:17:46 PM »
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Your falling KH and pH - do you have any bicarbonate of soda in the kitchen cupboard? If not, it is sold in the home baking section at the supermarket (small plastic tub)
You need to add some to your tank, dissolve in a bit of water first.
If I remember, the tank is mid 20s litres? Use half a teaspoon (half a 5 ml spoon) and see what that gives you after waiting half an hour for it to mix in. You can add more if necessary. Aim for a KH around 10. The pH should go up as well, it doesn't matter how high as the filter bacteria prefer it high to multiply. At this stage the main thing is to stop it falling.

After changing the water on Saturday you had 1.0+/0.5 and 2 days later they were zero. So you do have bacteria, just not enough.
I would continue testing every 2 days and adding a 1ppm dose when ammonia drops to zero. As soon as you have zero ammonia and very low nitrite, then add a 3ppm dose and test next day.
The filter bacteria do need carbonate as well as ammonia/nitrite to multiply. Hopefully adding bicarb will give them a boost.

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Re: Am I cycling please
« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2015, 01:19:43 PM »
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Got plenty of bicarb Sue. Thanks, I'll try that

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« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2015, 02:51:41 PM »
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The big water change after the cycle has finished will remove all the sodium so it is safe to use bicarb during cycling.

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Re: Am I cycling please
« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2015, 03:03:42 PM »
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Quote  "I would continue testing every 2 days and adding a 1ppm dose when ammonia drops to zero. As soon as you have zero ammonia and very low nitrite, then add a 3ppm dose and test next day -"

Thanks Sue. Have added the bicarb and KH was somewhere between 10-15 and PH headed towards 7.2.

Could I just pick your brains again regarding the above quote. Adding 1pppm when ammonia drops to zero. Does it matter if I still have nitrites showing over .25? and the same with adding the 3ppm with zero ammonia. What would count as very low nitrite. What if nitrites are over .25 in either scenario.

It's probably hard to believe I actually went to school isn't it.  I was in a top stream all through secondary school but when it came to the maths lessons I was the one he always literally threw the blackboard rubber at.

It would be classed as assault these days eh. 
I am more than capable at straightforward arithmetic  but mention all that fancy stuff like algebra, geometry, fractions and god forbid decimals and it all goes to pot. Panic sets in.  Even at my advanced age (which is WELL past retirement)   :rotfl:

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Re: Am I cycling please
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2015, 03:33:12 PM »
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You don't mean to say there is someone older than me  :yikes: I though I was just about the oldest at 61  ;D

I like maths  ;D One of my favourite subjects at school. I had to choose between maths and biology at A level and biology won.


Strictly speaking, you add 3ppm ammonia then wait until you get ammonia under 0.75 and nitrite over 2. You are past this stage.
Then you another 3ppm ammonia and test every 2 days till you get 2 sets of readings where ammonia is zero, that is zero one day and zero again 2 days later. You have reached this stage - 0.2 on 25th, 0 on 27th and 0 on 28th.
Once you get the two zero ammonias, you add 1ppm ammonia, which you did on 28th, and still test every 2 days.
The next stage is waiting till ammonia drops below 0.25 and nitrite below 1.0 which you had on 30th. At this stage you add 3ppm ammonia, which you did, and test after 24 hours.
If you had double zeros after this 24 hours you would have been cycled, but you didn't, you had amm 2.0 and nit 1.0 on 31st. So you are supposed to continue testing every day till you get amm less than 0.25 and nit less than 1.0 again - only you did a water change.

Today, 2nd Feb, you are under amm 0.25 and nit 1.0.
Thinking about it, add a 3ppm dose of ammonia and test again tomorrow. *If you have double zeros, good. If not, test every day and wait till you have amm less than 0.25 and nit less than 1. When you get those readings, add 3ppm dose ammonia and test again next day. * Repeat from * to * until you do get double zeros 24 hours after adding a 3ppm dose.

Once you get to double zeros 24 hours after adding a 3ppm dose, you will be cycled.

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Re: Am I cycling please
« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2015, 04:31:10 PM »
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Phew - what an epistle. What a star.  Even I can follow that (I think !)

Many thanks for taking the time and trouble.

Buy the way, I'm old enough to be your much older sister!!  I officially retired 8 years ago in March

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