60 L To 200 L Tank Change

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Re: 60 l to 200 l tank change
« Reply #40 on: March 20, 2017, 11:49:12 AM »
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If it would be possible, the best way to get bacteria in the new filter would be to transfer some media from the 240 litre's filter to the 30 litre's filter, and put the media from the 30 litre filter into the hole left in the 240 filter. The problem with just setting up a second filter is there is nothing to make the bacteria move into the new filter in any great numbers.

Moving substrate will help. There are many micro-organisms other than the filter bacteria which live in the substrate so seeding them with 'old' substrate will get them off to a flying start as well. The biofilm on any decor you transfer will hold a host of bacteria too.
And of course live plants use ammonia as fertiliser so they help as well.

Moving the cardinals across first is fine, though once you add the betta that will be quite a big addition in terms of bioload so you would need to monitor ammonia and nitrite twice - first after moving the cardinals and then again after adding the betta.

Cardinals might or might not work with a betta. They are compatible with the higher temperature required by bettas but they may nip the betta's tail. Or the betta might turn out to be on the aggressive side - there is no way to tell from the behaviour in the shop - but if the cardinals and betta don't get on, you do have the option of moving the cardinals back to the bigger tank.

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Re: 60 l to 200 l tank change
« Reply #41 on: March 20, 2017, 12:32:27 PM »
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Thanks Sue that's very helpful. Will do as you suggest re filter.

Do you have any suggestions re other compatible fish with a Betta? Didn't really want to leave it on it's own!

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Re: 60 l to 200 l tank change
« Reply #42 on: March 20, 2017, 12:46:01 PM »
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To be honest bettas are better (sorry!) on their own. They are solitary fish and don't need - or want - tank mates. I have a 26 litre tank with just a betta and a nerite snail.

The other problem is finding fish that will be happy in a 30 litre tank. For example, cardinal tetras need a tank at least 60 cm long, and most 30 litre tanks are smaller than that.
The fish that would be happy in 30 litres are all small which could trigger the "food!!!" instinct in a betta. Maybe they'd be too big to actually eat but the betta chasing them trying to eat them would stress such small fish.


The other alternative would be not get a betta and get some small fish - for example endlers (males only) if the water is hard, or one of the Boraras species if the water is soft.

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Re: 60 l to 200 l tank change
« Reply #43 on: March 20, 2017, 12:58:31 PM »
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Thanks for the advice Sue

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Re: 60 l to 200 l tank change
« Reply #44 on: March 25, 2017, 02:16:51 PM »
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Hi again Sue

Set up tank on Tuesday as we agreed and put 3 small Corys in with a few shrimp.

Feeding very lightly ie 1/2 wafer and a few grains of micro pellets, and removing uneaten wafer.

Readings
22/3 TAN 0.25  (API), NO2 0.03 (Nutrafin), NO3 n/r (Nutrafin)
23/3 TAN 0.25, NO2 0.05, NO3 n/r
24/3 TAN 0.2, NO2 0.2, NO3 20
25/3 TAN 0.35, NO2 0.2, NO3 10

Am I ok here? Don't want to hurt the fish.

Regards, John

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Re: 60 l to 200 l tank change
« Reply #45 on: March 25, 2017, 02:29:57 PM »
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Nitrite is getting a bit on the high side, I would do a water change to get it down as low as possible. It is currently about as high as you should let it get so a water change will stop it getting higher - unless it creeps back up again, in which case do another water change.

Ammonia is also a bit high but that is easily monitored using an ammonia/ammonium calculator such as this https://www.hamzasreef.com/Contents/Calculators/FreeAmmonia.php
On the left side, leave the first box as it is, set salinity to zero then add the data for your tank in the rest of the boxes and click calculate. You want the number in the lower box on the right side.
If that number is less than 0.02, it is fine. More than 0.02 and you need to do a water change.


Wehther or not a water change is needed means looking at both the number from that ammonia calcualtor and the nitrite reading. If the ammonia-calculator number is above 0.02, do a water change. if nitrite is approaching 0.25, do a water change.


And watch the shrimp. If they are unhappy they will try to climb out of the tank up cables etc

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Re: 60 l to 200 l tank change
« Reply #46 on: March 25, 2017, 02:46:44 PM »
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Thanks Sue, I'll get on it.

John

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Re: 60 l to 200 l tank change
« Reply #47 on: March 25, 2017, 04:05:42 PM »
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Just to check please Sue, but as my API kit measures TAN should I be changing box 1 of the calculator to NH-N (NH3-N +HN4-N) ?
Thanks John

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Re: 60 l to 200 l tank change
« Reply #48 on: March 25, 2017, 04:15:14 PM »
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No, leave it set as NH (NH3 + NH4). This measures ammonia/ammonium as nitrogen plus hydrogen - N plus H - which is what our home test kits do. The other entry is for when the measurement is for just the nitrogen (N) part of ammonia and ammonium.

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Re: 60 l to 200 l tank change
« Reply #49 on: March 25, 2017, 05:10:46 PM »
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OK, thanks for clarification :)

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